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"Poles want cut on foreign workers" - (in Poland obviously)


Mister H 10 | 759    
18 Mar 2009  #1
"Unions in Poland want to see strict quotas introduced on the numbers of foreign workers.
They claim foreigners are taking jobs and working 'for peanuts'.

In a mirror of Britain, trade unions are demanding 'Polish jobs for Polish workers'.

Up to 1million Poles headed abroad - more than 500,000 to Britain and 200,000 to Ireland - during the boom years, with many taking jobs apparently for less than indigenous workers. Many have now headed home as the recession bites across Europe to find Chinese and Ukrainian workers doing jobs for less than they would."


metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Poles_want_cut_on_foreign_workers&in_article_id=584020&in_page_id=34

Good for them I say, I just hope that the Polish Government is more inclined to listen than the British Government.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595    
  18 Mar 2009  #2
A basic principle of the EU-law is that all people in EU should be able to work in all EU-countries by the same principles. And that's fair, people can move as they want.

A country within the EU are not allowed to make those kind of actions if they affect other member of the EU. Poland would be sued in the EU-court immediately.

But they can control/stop workers from outside EU from coming to Poland.
Rafal_1981    
  18 Mar 2009  #3
Poles want cut on foreign workers

In a mirror of Britain, trade unions are demanding 'Polish jobs for Polish workers'.

A country within the EU are not allowed to make those kind of actions if they affect other member of the EU. Poland would be sued in the EU-court immediately.

Quote from the article:

'We are not talking about Germans or other European Union citizens. We are talking of Ukrainians, Belarussians, Chinese. Employers tend to pick them because they work for peanuts,

Mister H

SzwedwPolsce

Please read carefully
Arlene    
18 Mar 2009  #4
See what I mean, when Polish people are taking over American Job. Now all of you Polish people should go back home to get your old jobs back. No excuse in here.

I can't figure out why.
Eurola 4 | 1,911    
18 Mar 2009  #5
Now all of you Polish people should go back home to get your old jobs back.

Well, Arlene..looks like Poles are giving away the jobs they don't want to do any longer (at least in Poland). My cousin said last Sunday (over Skype) that the new Olimpic stadiums will be built by Chinese..cheaper. Arghhh.
Arlene    
18 Mar 2009  #6
<<.looks like Poles are giving away the jobs they don't want to do any longer (at least in Poland). My cousin said last Sunday (over Skype) that the new Olimpic stadiums will be built by Chinese..cheaper. Arghhh.>>

Then who will take over jobs Polish don't want to do any more, you are saying maybe Mexican people. Huh. They are good people too.

Maybe American people can start looking for jobs in America soon. I do hope so for everybody's sake.
Eurola 4 | 1,911    
18 Mar 2009  #7
Yes, nowadays Americans may want to work as busboys and get into landscaping. Imagine the price of your dinner at the restaurant and and your lovely green lawn.. :)
szymi - | 6    
  18 Mar 2009  #8
I always wonder, how spoilt, lazy and uninspired must be people who complain about immigrants taking over their jobs. Come on, how unintelligent must they be if they can't compete with people who hardly speak the language, have hardly any money, no home, no family support, no friends. Despite those disadvantages and encountered hostility, immigrants beat locals on the job market, and still manage to save and send money home. Many of them on top of that educate themselves in their free time! Well done immigrants, keep it up all over the world. You deserve the money and jobs more than obese Westerners. By the way I don't think Poland can afford getting rid of cheap workforce, as any other country. I don't support what the Polish government does. Poland could also do with some more ethnic diversity if we want to get rid of rampant prejudice and nationalism.
Randal 1 | 577    
18 Mar 2009  #9
I always wonder, how spoilt, lazy and uninspired must be people who complain about immigrants taking over their jobs.

It's easy when immigrants are taking real jobs during tough times.

I don't think Poland can afford getting rid of cheap workforce, as any other country.

So you aprove of the exploitation of cheap labor.

Poland could also do with some more ethnic diversity if we want to get rid of rampant prejudice and nationalism.

Spare the PC BS. You have been brainwashed.
time means 5 | 1,314    
18 Mar 2009  #10
You deserve the money and jobs more than obese Westerners.

lmao, who are you calling fat, i will have you know i`m a very trim 23 stone :-)
ShelleyS 14 | 2,897    
18 Mar 2009  #11
Pure adonis :)

I always wonder, how spoilt, lazy and uninspired must be people who complain about immigrants taking over their jobs.

You really don't get it do you! Do you think cheap labour is benefical for your "average" pole? Do you think your "average" pole can aford to take home peanuts to feed his family and pay his mortgage? Do you think your "average" pole wants to feel like a foreigner in his own country?

Be careful what you wish for, is all I can say!
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595    
  18 Mar 2009  #12
Do you think your "average" pole wants to feel like a foreigner in his own country?

1,23% of people living in Poland are not Poles (source: Narodowy Spis Powszechny 2002). This means that over 97% of people living in Poland are Poles. This census is a few years old. But still today Poland is one of the most homogeneous countries in Europe. So you don't have to worry. There are about 38 million Poles living in Poland, you would need an enormous amount of people to change the % even just a tiny bit.
szymi - | 6    
19 Mar 2009  #13
It makes me laugh when English speaking people talk about staying in one's own country. So why is it exactly that North America, Australia, half of Africa, India etc now use English as first or official language?

So you aprove of the exploitation of cheap labor.

That does not make sense. Most of the immigrants would not have any work whatsoever if they did not emigrate from their own countries, so what kind of exploitation are you talking about?

You really don't get it do you!

No, I get it quite well, thank you very much. I am enjoying myself in England, earning enough money to pay for my education and mortgage I have back in Poland. I'm just slightly worried that at the moment nobody is working for my pension there, I was hoping a Chinese person would but now you guys are telling me my government isn't letting them.
King Sobieski 2 | 716    
19 Mar 2009  #14
So why is it exactly that North America, Australia, half of Africa, India etc now use English as first or official language?

colonialism??
OP Mister H 10 | 759    
19 Mar 2009  #15
You really don't get it do you!Do you think cheap labour is benefical for your "average" pole? Do you think your "average" pole can aford to take home peanuts to feed his family and pay his mortgage? Do you think your "average" pole wants to feel like a foreigner in his own country?

Be careful what you wish for, is all I can say!

Exactly, this is the whole point. It isn't about trying to "stop" people from living and working where they choose, but it shouldn't be at the expense of those who are nationals of that country.

If you're born and brought up somewhere and need a certain level of income in order to survive (not live the high-life, just be able to manage) it is unfair for foreign labour to pitch-up and live 10 to a room and work for next to nothing, simply because that money will go a lot further when they send it home.

The country may not owe you a living, but it should at least offer you a fighting chance of a decent one if that is where you come from and call home.
Randal 1 | 577    
19 Mar 2009  #16
Exactly, this is the whole point. It isn't about trying to "stop" people from living and working where they choose, but it shouldn't be at the expense of those who are nationals of that country.

Right.

“For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.”
~Newton’s Third Law

These things do not happen in a vacuum. Just as misguided affirmative action over here denies some of opportunity while granting favor to others. Somebody loses.

it is unfair for foreign labour to pitch-up and live 10 to a room and work for next to nothing, simply because that money will go a lot further when they send it home.

Right. All they do is take while contributing nothing to the culture.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,897    
19 Mar 2009  #17
It makes me laugh when English speaking people talk about staying in one's own country. So why is it exactly that North America, Australia, half of Africa, India etc now use English as first or official language

We Ruled, we had colonies - quite impressive wasn't it?

That does not make sense. Most of the immigrants would not have any work whatsoever if they did not emigrate from their own countries, so what kind of exploitation are you talking about

What bollox! Most are to lazy to improve their own countries, look at India they have the majority of the worlds trade in garments manufacturing and call centres yet they still flee India faster that a rat up a drainpipe.

No, I get it quite well, thank you very much. I am enjoying myself in England, earning enough money to pay for my education and mortgage I have back in Poland. I'm just slightly worried that at the moment nobody is working for my pension there, I was hoping a Chinese person would but now you guys are telling me my government isn't letting them.

Good for you, tell me why you are in the UK, hmmm, let me guess, the wages are poor back home? Do you think massess of cheap labour are going to improve that??? A friend of mine is a time served steel fixer, he has been back in Poland since mid December, he still hasn't got a job, the money being offered is peanuts and he feels that it's an insult to him for someone to offer such low wages.

Anyway thanks for your NI contributions towards my future pension :)

colonialism??

I think's he's a bit stupid Mr KB ;0)
Rafal_1981    
  20 Mar 2009  #18
See what I mean, when Polish people are taking over American Job. Now all of you Polish people should go back home to get your old jobs back. No excuse in here.

I can't figure out why.

America was build by immigrants from Europe and from all over the world.
On whose behalf you are talking such stupid things?
I live in London, I'm Polish IT specialist and I have a decent job
And I'm gonna visit NY soon (don't be scared, not to work there ;-])

We Ruled, we had colonies - quite impressive wasn't it?

So, now we have a colonies too. We called them a New UK-land ;-]
mafketis 16 | 6,397    
  20 Mar 2009  #19
We Ruled, we had colonies - quite impressive wasn't it?

In a way, not always a very nice way.

It also lessens the credibility of Brits complaining about an influx of foreigners. If you stick your nose into other countries' business for hundreds of years don't whine if the rest of the world returns the favor.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,897    
20 Mar 2009  #20
It also lessens the credibility of Brits complaining about an influx of foreigners

Not really, the countries we "governed" wanted us out and were agressive in some cases in their actions, they wanted independence, they got it and most of them can't wait to leave the shitholes they so dearly wanted independence for and want to come the country they hated "governing" them which I always find quite strange.

In a way, not always a very nice way.

Agreed.

So, now we have a colonies too. We called them a New UK-land ;-]

Grrrrrrrr ;0)
SeanBM 35 | 5,817    
20 Mar 2009  #21
What bollox!
Most are to lazy to improve their own countries, look at India they have the majority of the worlds trade in garments manufacturing and call centres yet they still flee India faster that a rat up a drainpipe.

Jeezzz, still with the racist remarks.
Calling a nation lazy and then complaining that they work hard and under cut "your" country is not a coherent argument.

Good for you, tell me why you are in the UK, hmmm, let me guess,

Where did the U.K amass it's wealth?.
I like the national museum in London but it is amazing how many cultures were pillaged from all around the world.

Anyway thanks for your NI contributions towards my future pension

This is true, again completely under mining your own argument.
mephias 11 | 305    
20 Mar 2009  #22
Not really, the countries we "governed" wanted us out and were agressive in some cases in their actions, they wanted independence, they got it and most of them can't wait to leave the shitholes they so dearly wanted independence for and want to come the country they hated "governing" them which I always find quite strange.

Sucking someone's blood for a while don't give you right to suck their blood forever. If the countries colonized by you is in a bad situation now, You are also responsible for this. Also having power to conquer or colonize somewhere doesn't mean you are more civilized from them.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,897    
20 Mar 2009  #23
Jeezzz, still with the racist remarks

Where was I racist?

Calling a nation lazy and then complaining that they work hard and under cut "your" country is not a coherent argument.

The government haven't managed to put an effective health care system in place, they have a crumbling infrastructure...I'd say that's pretty lazy. The fact they have little respect for human life is a different debate.

Where did the U.K amass it's wealth?.
I like the national museum in London but it is amazing how many cultures were pillaged from all around the world.

We amassed our wealth through trade and export. Not all of our past is something to be proud of, I have already said this.

This is true, again completely under mining your own argument.

Hardly, I was just countering his comments when he was thanking the poor Ukrainian working for slave wages in Poland who was contributing to this future pension, albeit not a lot! It was also a flipant remark, follow the thread carefully SBM before jumping all over me.

If the countries colonized by you is in a bad situation now, You are also responsible for this

America and Aus are fine, they were colonized by Euroepans who stayed there, the only ones that are not are the ones where the indiginous population are, how are we responsible for that? They gained independence decades ago, how long can you blame another for your shortcomings before you take responsibility for your own failings.

Also having power to conquer or colonize somewhere doesn't mean you are more civilized from them.

Cultures are different I agree with you there, but when in this day and age someone is still shitting in an open sewer and bathing in a river you have to ask why? I can only conclude that they are not as civilised as we are in the UK and that they are unmotivated to improve their situation, which I would call lazy and uncivilised by western standards.

Sucking someone's blood for a while don't give you right to suck their blood forever.

Ottoman Empire? Very few nations are without blood on their hands Mephias.
SeanBM 35 | 5,817    
20 Mar 2009  #24
The government haven't managed to put an effective health care system in place, they have a crumbling infrastructure...I'd say that's pretty lazy.

So you are talking about their government?.
Please clarify in future.

Not all of our past is something to be proud of, I have already said this.

We Ruled, we had colonies - quite impressive wasn't it?

Where?.

It was also a flipant remark,

Agreed.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,897    
  20 Mar 2009  #25
Where?.

Sarcastic comments seem to go over your head...
mephias 11 | 305    
  20 Mar 2009  #26
America and Aus are fine, they were colonized by Euroepans who stayed there, the only ones that are not are the ones where the indiginous population are, how are we responsible for that? They gained independence decades ago, how long can you blame another for your shortcomings before you take responsibility for your own failings.

I didn't say you are the only responsible. I said you are also responsible. And I am sure you know I didn't mean America and Australia they are very different case (anyway if we think what europeans did to indians and aborigins it still makes sense.)

Cultures are different I agree with you there, but when in this day and age someone is still shitting in an open sewer and bathing in a river you have to ask why? I can only conclude that they are not as civilised as we are in the UK and that they are unmotivated to improve their situation, which I would call lazy and uncivilised by western standards.

These examples are really irrelevant and really has nothing to do with culture or civilization.

Ottoman Empire? Very few nations are without blood on their hands Mephias.

Not more than Brits. Anyway wrong is wrong, I don't defend or proud of this like you.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,897    
20 Mar 2009  #27
These examples are really irrelevant and really has nothing to do with culture or civilization.

Why are they irrelevant? They are facts.

I don't defend or proud of this like you.

Im proud of being part of a nation that was great. Im not proud of some the actions that made us once great.

anyway if we think what europeans did to indians and aborigins it still makes sense

What was done to the aboriginis and native americans was disgusting.

And I am sure you know I didn't mean America and Australia they are very different case

Why?
mephias 11 | 305    
20 Mar 2009  #28
Why are they irrelevant? They are facts.

Maybe our point of views on culture and civilization is different.

Why?

America and Australia is still owned by the Europeans (It's not the locals who rule the land), not like the India which is colonized once but now they are ruling their own country.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,897    
20 Mar 2009  #29
America and Australia is still owned by the Europeans (It's not the locals who rule the land), not like the India which is colonized once but now they are ruling their own country.

Which of those countries would you prefer to live in? Which of those countries have good infrastructure? Of those countries which ones do not hand the begging bowl round when they have a disaster? India are a developing country and are developing fast, but the facts still remain they have a low opinion of human life and the devide between the dirt poor who will never receive an education and those that are living the high life are oceans apart hence the reason migration is so high.

Maybe our point of views on culture and civilization is different.

What is your definition of a civilised country?
SeanBM 35 | 5,817    
20 Mar 2009  #30
Why do you think that India has "a low opinion of human life and the devide between the dirt poor who will never receive an education and those that are living the high life are oceans apart hence the reason migration is so high."?

I mean what do you think is the cause of poor third world countries and develpoed first world countries?.


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