I have seen very little in Polish management styles/attitudelphiandomine
> For me, what this means is that many State-owned businesses (or majority State owned) will be able legally to demand flexible working conditions from their
> employees. That was missing before - and those employees often were very rigid in their mentality towards flexible working.
It's so easy to say that they are just bad... Remember, the richest polish stock company (with richest income) is state owned with strong trade unions. It was defended by trade unions from selling to Americans, when it was "poor" mine. Remember what happened with factory bought by Telefonika, when trade unions was crushed.
> Businesses in general will be able to deploy their labour far more flexibly without falling foul of the rules - which means that they should be more willing to give umowa o prace in the first place.
Why businessman should hire another person, if it is possible to push another Pole to work harder for the same price? It doesn't work in Spain or Greece.
> Most genuine private-sector workers were already working somewhat flexibly as it is.
So, according to what You said few lines up, it doesn't give workplaces (and was not forbidden, have no consequences).
> No-one sane is going to push employees into difficult split shifts - they'll lose the good workers very quickly, and it's hard enough to find good reliable employees in Poland.
I'm astonished: "No-one sane is going to push employees into difficult split shifts" ;DDDD
Ahh, let's forget about law! Because nobody sane will break the rules!
> I don't think it'll lead to any extra exploitation - in the "Polish reality", exploited workers were never on umowa o prace to begin with. If you want to exploit someone, you aren't going to give them a contract that gives them significant rights.
****, are You talking seriously? There is no payless overtime on "umowa o pracę"? (means "long-term contract" in PL). I see You just didn't heard about paying part of earnings "under table" on long-term contracts. It is the way to have a threat for workers, when they go to court or just are ill. Employer just don't pay this money.
Don't sell ideal vision od labour market.
>> "but they will get those hours back at quiet times." - pracitce shows that workers don't get those hours.
> Since when? In virtually every business I've seen, they keep a very close track of these things for fear of the consequences of breaking them.
Can You tell me about a few facts, when employer faced this "consequences"?
> Labour law (for those on umowa o prace) is very heavily loaded in favour of the employee.
And this is why EVERYBODY, who worked abroad says, about slavery in Poland. Here in Poland employees have so much rights...
>> What about payable overtime?
> If it's genuine overtime, it'll be paid. But if it all averages out at 40 hours, why should overtime be paid?
First, borrow me some money, I give it back a year later, trust me... If you don't trust me, get money, which you don't have and go to court, polish court with years lasting cases...
Second, if i work from 7-9, then 11-1pm etc. It means in fact, that my whole day is done by a job. I don't have time to carry children or private life. And... i even can not say that i have overtime hours.
>> What about working partialy at one day? (7-9; 11-1pm, 2-3 pm etc.).
>Already a reality for many seasonal workers. And most business owners know fine well that making someone work that sort of shifts won't work in the long run - the > productivity losses by keeping people hanging around will more than outweigh the benefits of not paying them for a couple of hours.
So it is reality that seasonal workers shoul be slaves... For centuries there was not such problem... But ok. why everybody must be seasonal? Why not group contracts like in Germany?
>>So, you work 12-hours a day (cutted in few parts a day), you can be fired after 6 months and don't get money for half a year overtime work.
>Except it won't work like that, because the 12 hour days have to be averaged over 6 months.
Really, so what if not?
Second, do you think it is not slavery to push people to work few months 12-hours a day? Day divided in parts...
> Someone genuinely working 12 hours a day for 6 months would be in line for a massive overtime payment, as well as the employer being in significant trouble for breaking the law.
Ahh, "significant" troubles. Could say more about this "troubles"?
> If they have breaks in the middle of the shift, then it's a free labour market - they didn't have to accept the job.
What about "if you don't accept human rights, go to jail"?
It' so naive, especially in Poland to believe in labour market.
> From an employment point of view, this situation actually makes it much easier for employers to hire people on proper contracts. For instance - let's say you run a hotel that's very popular in summer and in the winter holidays. Your workers can now legally work 12-14 hour days in season, while getting that time returned to them in the unpopular spring and autumn months. It works for everyone - they get a proper contract, they get masses of time off when the business is quiet and everyone's happy.
I wish You work like that half a year and carry children...
>> More... according to this law, employer can push employees to work in one day for example from 8 to 10, then 12-1 pm, then 2-5 pm, and 7-9 pm - and it'll be
>> counted as 8-hours day.
> Yes, but any employer doing this wouldn't be offering umowa o prace in the first place.
So what? What gives a name for contract?
>> More... government is preparing act about liquidation of free sundays nad saturdays - if somebody work in foreign company, which is oriented to states, which
>> don't have similar to polish holidays. For example, if somebody work for arabic company, has no right to free sundays (and in fact fridays too...).
> Which makes sense. They can have free Mondays and Tuesdays instead.
They live in POLAND not Saudi Arabia. Their children are at home on Saturdays and Sundays not Mondays.
I'm going emotional seeing another time the same bancrupted ideas like "nobody sane will push people to be slaves". I'll try not to reply again.