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Which French candidate for president will be best for Poland?


TheOther 6 | 3,818
4 May 2017 #271
Poland could well become the leader or at least one of the top players in that other grouping that might also incldue Spain, Portugal and Italy.

I'd rather see Poland in the first group, to be honest. Culturally, they are certainly much more part of central/ northern Europe than the Mediterranean group. Going together with countries that belonged to the Warsaw Pact might not be an option because most of them can't stand on their own feet yet financially.

Sources please. The national unemployment rate for youth of all colors, age 16 to 19, was 20.7% in November

I gave you the source. The difference between your numbers and theirs is that you define "Youth" as being 16 to 19 years old, whereas the other source defines it as 16 to 24 years old. That's what's called creative statistics...
jon357 63 | 15,068
4 May 2017 #272
The luxuries in the prison system is what should be done away with. first and foremost.

Rubbish, Po. Prisons are not full of 'luxuries' and treating prisoners with dignity is a basic. The whole point of the justice system is rehabilitation rather than revenge. Maybe you think differently - I await the day you end up locked away in a dingy cell eating stale bread and rotten onions with Radio Zet blaring day and night and no proper mattress or pillow locked up with lowlife, once weekly showers and a twice monthly visit, all on a miscarriage of justice or momentary lapse of judgement.

Re. a two speed EU, the whole EU should constantly reassess the best way forward. Macron has talked about this. And above all it's down to the MEPs and national,politicians that you and I (or rather I since you can't vote here) elect to,public office.

The EU can frustrate some who don't see the point of countries working together. The French understand this well, so do the Germans, and in Poland most people strongly support the EU. Le Pen (who is certainly a neo-nazi) wants to gleefully take advantage of those who don't quite get what it's about.

Which is why Emmanuel Macron is the best person for the job and for Poland.
johnny reb 24 | 4,293
4 May 2017 #273
Remember, people don't like hoyteatoytie aristocrat bankers, and Macron is a Rothschildist sponsored bankers aristocrat .
Social media is certainly disagreeing with the unhealthy Socialist Liberal Left news media polls.
SocialFlow says data on mentions of both Ms. LePen and Rothschildist Macron on Facebook and other social media platforms in the week leading up to the election suggest they are running in a "virtual dead heat," and thus, "any attempts to call an early victor in the election now would be absolute conjecture."

The Left is going to have a total melt down when LePen wins and have Crooked Hillary bewilderment looks on their faces.

Trump's Bureau of Labor Statistics ?
Sources please

I gave you the source.

But they were not Trump's Bureau Labor Sources........... can you provide a credible source by Trump ?
That's what called smoke and mirrors.
jon357 63 | 15,068
4 May 2017 #274
sponsored

He isn't sponsored by anyone. Nor is he an aristocrat.

virtual dead heat

The polls say otherwise.

Rothschildist

No such word. Quit the conspiracy woo.
TheOther 6 | 3,818
4 May 2017 #275
can you provide a credible source

bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea10.htm

The official unemployment rate for 16 - 19 year olds was 13.7%, and not 20.7% as you said. You do the math yourself if the 20 - 24 years group is included.
Marsupial - | 886
5 May 2017 #276
Makaron should win. He can apologize right after.
johnny reb 24 | 4,293
5 May 2017 #277
He isn't sponsored by anyone. Nor is he an aristocrat.

I don't think you are necessarily correct jon.
I can tell you with certainty that you don't go from updating excel models at a junior level to partner overnight.
Someone extraordinarily powerful was pulling all sorts of strings for this guy.
He was being groomed by someone very very powerful with unlimited funds.
There seems to be little doubt about this.
Indeed, who does he work for ?
I'm sure the French people would like to know.
Not only was he groomed by Rothschild bankers, he was also a Bilderberg meeting attendee in 2014.
Who did he rub elbows with there ?
He speaks perfect English and loves Germany.
Scary to say the least for a Frenchman.

and not 20.7% as you said.

You are not listening and just want to argue.
What I did say is that your statistics (that are not Trumps as you implied) do not include many youth in the United States remaining unemployed after more than a year of searching for a job which are not counted as being in the work force which is why your chart is so misleading and why I am correct.

Now for the love of Mary I am done trying to pound this into your head.
You will have to go off topic with someone else to argue a "who gives a ****" baiting.
From now on when you pull this with me I am just going to agree with you and say, "Yes, Othery, you are probably right." :-)
Joker 1 | 1,458
5 May 2017 #278
The Left is going to have a total melt down when LePen wins and have Crooked Hillary bewilderment looks on their faces.

The lefties will accuse the Russians after they are finally done crying about it, could be weeks blaming everyone else but themselves.
The whining and fake news will never end, they are the biggest sore losers on the planet!
TheOther 6 | 3,818
5 May 2017 #279
The French understand this well, so do the Germans, and in Poland most people strongly support the EU.

Exactly, but some of our right wingers here don't understand that. They forget that Europe was ravaged by several horrific wars, and that most Europeans (except for the Brexiters maybe) have learned their lesson that extreme nationalism à la Le Pen and isolationism à la Trump aren't the answer. If Poland would follow the likes of Trump, Le Pen and Farage, the country would be ruined quickly.

they are the biggest sore losers on the planet!

You've got pre-existing conditions, Joker?

I am just going to agree with you

Save your breath and simply don't respond to my posts. There, solved it for you.
Joker 1 | 1,458
5 May 2017 #280
You've got pre-existing conditions, Joker?

"If you like your Doctor you can keep him"
"If you like your health plan you can keep it"

Lies, Lies, all Libby Lies!

Too bad they didn't keep Obamacare going on life support, I wanted to see it implode in the Dem`s face!

However, I don't want people being kept form getting their medical services.:)
TheOther 6 | 3,818
5 May 2017 #281
"If you like your Doctor you can keep him"

You remember how it was before the ACA? When acne was a pre-existing condition (really true!) and people died in front of hospitals? Welcome home, my friend! Hope you'll like it.

kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/pre-existing-conditions-and-medical-underwriting-in-the-individual-insurance-market-prior-to-the-aca

This is exactly the kind of thing that Europe "needs": heartless, soulless, greedy "patriots" like Trump, Ryan and the GOP.
Marsupial - | 886
5 May 2017 #282
Le pen just doesnt look democratic enough. Shes a product of two years ago the same in like so many countries, right wing movements caused by refugees. I am pretty sure the only permanent victims of this will be the brits. The dutch rejected it not long ago the germans threw it in the bin and now the french look like doing the same. Ukip got hammered in the local elections today in uk. Trump is morphing into centre. Ha ha.
Crow 139 | 8,169
5 May 2017 #283
democratic enough

please. Really. What western Europe knows about true democracy and freedom? Nothing, nothing. Their militant governments steal from rest of the world and holding humanity down, while throwing some bones to its own population to secure relative normal standard of living, in order to secure functioning of its own system.

Romanized savages.
Crow 139 | 8,169
5 May 2017 #284
Down with French hypocrisy! Down with domination of western Europe!
Ziemowit 13 | 4,038
5 May 2017 #285
He [Macron] was being groomed by someone very very powerful with unlimited funds.

That's interesting. Having not followed the French political scene too closely recently, I just have an impression that Macron is a man who has nearly come out of nothing. This is quite strange for a top position like the président de la republique. I've never been in favour of conspiracy theories, but I'm sure a lot of things is achieved behind the scene and the so-called ordinary people would never know anything of it. But maybe you are not "oridinary people", Johnny, and you just happen to know way more on that than anyone else ;-).

Someone extraordinarily powerful was pulling all sorts of strings for this guy [Macron].

Marsupial - | 886
5 May 2017 #286
The world keeps changing. One has to adapt. This is why changing with it is required and it's a trait of conservatives to be out of date on most views in society and in science. To me it looks like on todays fast paced planet their views go out of fashion even quicker. I am fascinated by these people in the same way that anti-vaxers or flat earthers spark my curiosity.
Crow 139 | 8,169
5 May 2017 #287
Western Europe changing into Northern Arabia.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,038
5 May 2017 #289
The world keeps changing. One has to adapt.

It does, doesn't it? But imposing the Islamic culture on Europe would not be for better for Europe. The same is true of the reverse: imposing European culture on Africa, for example, through British and other colonialisms was not for better for them - indigenous societies in their traditional forms were abruptly broken and didn't have time to adapt to the world changing too quickly in the name of the white man exploiting them relentlessly.

The underlying reason for the immigration is as always: people come to the richer countries or regions. Since this islamic immigration into Europe is on a mass scale now - you may explain it by the ever growing gap in wealth between Europe and North Africa. The bigger the gap, the higher immigratoion wave to rise.
TheOther 6 | 3,818
5 May 2017 #290
The underlying reason for the immigration is as always: people come to the richer countries or regions.

Ask yourself what you would do if you and your family would live in a Sub-Saharan hellhole or in one of the drug and gang infested nations in South America. No chance to ever get out of poverty, no education, no healthcare, crime all around you. I know what I would do if I had the chance: move north.
jon357 63 | 15,068
5 May 2017 #291
Ask yourself what you would do if you and your family would live in a Sub-Saharan hellhole or in one of the drug and gang infested nations in South America.

Quite. When a certain type of people moan that they can't be refugees because their house hasn't been destroyed by war, they conveniently ignore the fact that if there's war or instability in a given region, its effects spread far and wide. The situation in Ukraine is a good example - most of those who've come to Poland aren't from Donetsk or Luhansk or even anywhere near that, however 20% of the country's economic structure is there and the knock on effect is huge. People who work in the capital city head office of industries lose their jobs, as do those in the secondary sector, they lose their jobs so don't spend in shops that close, don't take holidays, buy cars or decorate their homes and the effect goes on. It affects manufacturing, services, education, retail etc over a huge area.

In the regains where people left to move to France, the economy is even more fragile, the effects more deadly and the people more desperate.

A lot of France understands this. Evidently Le Pen supporters either don't get it or just don't care. Macron is the best choice.
johnny reb 24 | 4,293
5 May 2017 #292
you just happen to know way more on that than anyone else

Did you read in the Liberal news media that he was groomed by Rothschild bankers, he was also a Bilderberg meeting attendee in 2014 ?
No........ yet it sure shows how he shot up thru the ranks by being groomed by BIG money.
Who does he really work for ?

simply don't respond to my posts

You're probably right.
johnny reb 24 | 4,293
5 May 2017 #293
Did you read in the Liberal news that Rothschildist Macron banns RT and Sputnik........No, how come ?
Is the Presidential hopeful out to kill free speech in France ?
Macron has banned popular international media outlets RT and Sputnik from his campaign headquarters and his private events which most media sources are more or less automatically allowed to cover.

This guy is beyond being a shady character.
Bobko 9 | 149
5 May 2017 #294
As he seems to be headed for a comfortable win in Sunday's run-off elections, I wanted to hear what forum members think about these comments Macron had made on the 2nd of May:

"We all know who Le Pen's allies are: the regimes of (Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor) Orban, Kaczynski, Putin. These aren't regimes with an open and free democracy. Every day they break many democratic freedoms"

reuters.com/article/us-france-election-poland-russia-idUSKBN17Y1IE

This comes on the heels of his threat last week, that if elected, he would impose sanctions on Poland for violating democratic norms.

Looks like following the loss of its ally-within-the-EU, Great Britain, Poland is heading for increased isolation in Europe in the coming years. Daddy Trump who lives across the sea will be of little help, as it seems Frau Merkel and M. Macron are both intent on ignoring him.

Thoughts?
Crnogorac3 1 | 314
5 May 2017 #295
Thoughts?

This is one very sick individual.

youtube.com/watch?v=LP2k_QAj8Gs

Why Rothschild Wants Their Flunky Macron In France: David de Rothschild Indicted In France For Bank Fraud

politicalvelcraft.org/2017/04/24/why-rothschild-wants-their-flunky-macron-in-france-david-de-rothschild-indicted-in-france-for-bank-fraud
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
5 May 2017 #296
Macron has banned popular international media outlets RT and Sputnik from his campaign headquarters and his private events which most media sources are more or less automatically allowed to cover.

Good. RT and Sputnik are pushing a huge amount of propaganda into Europe, in the grand traditions of Radio Moscow.

Quite a reasonable course of action to ban one of the worst propaganda networks in Europe today.
Joker 1 | 1,458
5 May 2017 #297
Where are the bleeding heart Libs from this forum now?

Still backing Macron? Delphian , Jon where are you??? Lol

Le Pen all the way!!

Cat got your tongue ???
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
5 May 2017 #298
Latest poll shows Le Pen has fallen since the debate, and the betting odds show huge amounts of money being placed on Macron.

Don't worry, we promise to laugh all the way at you Americans come Sunday night. Your Russian ideology is failing miserably.
Bobko 9 | 149
5 May 2017 #299
My post did not imply a bias towards Le Pen or Macron, I think.

In fact, I started by saying that he is headed for a "comfortable win" - the latest is that it will be something on the order of 20-25% (albeit, there's a chance that Macronists will get complacent and not show up at the polling booths in the right numbers).

I'm utterly confused by this last sentence:

Don't worry, we promise to laugh all the way at you Americans come Sunday night. Your Russian ideology is failing miserably.

What do you mean? That I'm a pro-Russian American?
Crnogorac3 1 | 314
5 May 2017 #300
RT

However, the fact is that Russia Today has a large viewership precisely because it offers one interpretation of events which is not a priori based on ideological frameworks of the Neoliberal establishment.

Ofcourse that it will be seeing things from one Russian angle, that Russian angle is perfectly legitimate and has it's place the same as it has ultimately Deutsche Welle and Radio Free Europe. Let us not pretend that they instead have professionalism and journalist objectivity exclusively and only in the first place. But the mere fact that Russia Today has such big viewership not only in the countries of English speaking areas but also in Spanish, in Arabic, indicates that this is one novelty which represents an additional threat to the monopoly of the mainstream media, moreover as does the internet.


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