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Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin


jon357 69 | 18,457
30 May 2012 #121
People from country A, which is hosting a major sport event this year, claim that fans shouldn't attend another major sport event being hosted this year in country B, because there is a serious risk they might be killed...

No. The media in several countries have raised serious concerns about organised football hooliganism during a tournament held jointly in 'country b' and a neighbouring but culturally similar country. A very different thing.
wawa_marek 1 | 129
30 May 2012 #122
What about this?

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9297324/Tube-passenger-jailed-for-21-weeks-after-video-of-her-racist-rant-went-viral.html

It's the same law in Poland.
jon357 69 | 18,457
30 May 2012 #123
Is she a football hooligan?
wawa_marek 1 | 129
30 May 2012 #124
I don't think so. You would never expect it in Warsaw subway. Wrong thread?
jon357 69 | 18,457
30 May 2012 #125
It was a tram actually, and I've seen far, far worse over the years on public transport here in Warsaw, including extremely violent attacks, robbery, drunken fights and plenty of shouting matches. So yes, one would expect it more here than in the UK. Though what that mentally ill lady has to do with the dangers of hooliganism during Euro 2012 is very hard to see.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
30 May 2012 #126
Stay in central areas, stick with a group and dont go wondering off by yourself.

Being an away fan 101.
Hipis - | 227
30 May 2012 #127
If Panorama and the BBC were truly sincere and not just seeking sensationalist headlines days before a major tournament is about to start then maybe this programme should have been made and aired months and months ago instead of less than 2 weeks before the tournament starts when thousands of people have already made their travel and accommodation arrangements and it's too late to back out now. If that had happened then maybe they would have done both countries a service and forced the governments to clamp down on this issue sooner.
jon357 69 | 18,457
30 May 2012 #128
That's the media for you. They always show the most extreme images and time it so it's as topical as possible. Unfortunately in a country like Poland whose population tend to be extremely sensitive about what people think of them it causes maximum irritation.

@RN's advice is pretty sensible. City centres should be fine, and heavily policed. The last thing the authorities want is scenes of bloodshed on the TV news around Europe and they'll go a very long way to make sure that doesn't happen. Dunno about Ukraine though.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
30 May 2012 #129
When was the last time there was serious trouble at a major championship?

Toulouse 1998?

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NXY4oa 5cNAg

The Panaroma episode, if anyones interested.
Hipis - | 227
30 May 2012 #130
When the last time were there any serious problems during international matches in Poland ?

I have been to most of the international games IN poland in the last ten years and the only time I have seen any trouble was when England were here. However I have also been to many games outside Poland and sadly there's been quite a lot of trouble; Kaunas, Bratislava, Prague, Maribor, Belgrade but also I was in Brussels in November 2006 when 15,000 Polish fans descended on the city, practically drank the place dry and turned it into a red & white party yet there was not one single arrest and the chief of police and the mayor of Brussels went on record praising the behaviour of the Polish fans.

The "British disease" is still with them, as I witnessed in Stuttgart in June 2006 and of course you have the EDL numpties causing trouble nearly every weekend in one town or another. Every country has its problems, some are worse than others, but we can always expect the holier than thou BBC to magnify the problem.

Is the Nick Lowles the communist Europhobe and former Searchlight editor?

Don't know anything about the guy but is he one of the bandwagonist "all Poles are anti-semitic" brigade?

Yes, he's the one and the same but I think he's more Socialist Worker's Party than Communist. Here's what his latest contribution to the publishing world looks like

The magazine cover was first described as "a recent picture at a Polish national team game" but when I questioned them about which game they started fumbling about a bit and then after more severe questioning it's now apparently "a montage of images taken from various games in Poland in recent months". Of course it's designed to clearly misrepresent supporters of the national team as being a bunch of Nazis. They are getting quite a bashing on Facebook from me about this image.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
30 May 2012 #131
Woy will be delighted. This nonsense takes some of the media spotlight off his squad of players.

The BBC get high viewing figures and the papers are selling like hot cakes.

Win, win situation.
OP peterweg 37 | 2,319
30 May 2012 #132
Primitive old zionistic ways to discredit our country . A reputation spread by Jews who own British tabloids and you are too ignorant to notice that . An intelligent person does not pay attention to tthat provocations .

Did you copy that from Mein Kampf? That will make Poland not look like a bunch of racists.

So it's OK to have riots, elect far-right parties to Euro-parliament, have religiously bigotted football fans who enjoy scrapping as long as Euro 2012 isn't being played there?

To me this is just a case of British "journalism" jumping on a minority situation so it can have a bit of a buzz and feel superior, whilst ignoring a lot of the problems in UK.

You haven't really got the concept of holding a major sports tournament, have you?.

Poland is on public show. Every TV station in Europe is looking at Poland in detail. Apparently in the UK they have done in depth programs about each city where matches are being held (plus Krakow). There is intense scrutiny about everything.

UK has got loads of problems, but it is not the focus of the world attention, Poland is.

So you want to tell us that If a fan attending Olympics will get stabbed somewhere near a pub, It won't matter because It won't be Olympic hooliganism ?

No, it will not happen so it won''t matter.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
30 May 2012 #133
Yet I don't see the world's media broadcasting about Olympics hooliganism

Well then, if "the media" doesn't broadcast Olympic hooliganism or if you don't see it, then clearly there is no street violence in the UK.

Without "the media" telling you so, there are no stabbings, no murders, no rapes, no assaults, no thefts- none of those things can actually exist in your mind. And, even if they did, it wouldn't matter because it wouldn't be a product of racism.

Okay then, now I have a pretty good idea on what level you're operating.
I'll make sincere efforts to waste no more time on you.

UK has got loads of problems, but it is not the focus of the world attention, Poland is.

The irony is, that the loads of problems people in the UK have should actually be their focus/concern and not Poland. But don't let logic get in the way of a witch hunt.
OP peterweg 37 | 2,319
30 May 2012 #134
I'll make sincere efforts to waste no more time on you.

The rest of the world gets their information from the media, so you can also stop wasting time on them

They will have got the message and Polands fans gave them the material they needed.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
30 May 2012 #135
The rest of the world gets their information from the media

Now you've reached the core of the problem. Congratulations, you're finally making some progress!
jarnowa 4 | 499
30 May 2012 #136
Blacks in Western Europe kill white people regularly and then this black d*ckhead warns for Polish people killing blacks???

Here, just a recent example of an innocent white guy killed by black violence.
mactifosi 1 | 11
30 May 2012 #137
Man Utd and Chelsea have more hooligan related arrests each season than all the clubs in Poland combined.
The police in Poland are much more extreme in their enforcement.

This program showed 3 of the most extreme examples in Poland and tried to make it look like this happens all the time, it doesn't.

I have seen Legia behave very badly over the years and I have seen an improvement in recent years but they have a long way to go.

There is a problem with racism and anti-semitism in Krakow, that is for sure and football is not the cause of it.
It is often supported by politicians (do I need to name the party) and the Catholic church, for example:

- friends have seen anti-semitic, anti-gay and xenophobic posters on churches in Krakow.
- the All Polish Youth is in part financed and supported by senior members of PiS, that is not opinion, it has been documented by Polish journalists among others.

Despite this, there is a world of difference between racist chanting at a handful of matches and actual violence.
I've been to over 100 matches in Poland and I've only seen disorder at a game here 2-3 times.
The only racism at a match I have seen was Legia fans displaying their swastikas.

Poland is safe, far more safe than London in my opinion.
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
30 May 2012 #138
Hi Gustav

Poland has a higher percentage of prisoners then the UK. The UK's numbers are usually made up from repeat offenders. The problem in the UK is not the criminals its the fact that the autorities are too soft on sentencing and the fact that the Police forces account for every crime sometimes 2 or 3 times on the figures to make their detection rates seem better.

Take also into account the amount of crime commited by immigrants which Poland hardly suffers from. If you have time can you pull out the figures for Poles in prison in the uk and also the stories of the flights bringing polish criminals back to poland. I think you'll be surprised. Poland is not only exporting it's cheap labour to the UK but also it's criminal element.
jarnowa 4 | 499
30 May 2012 #139
The question is what is Poland going to do to try and repair its wrecked international image? is there anything that can be done?

The best answer would be to warn Polish visitors to the Olympics to avoid neighbourhoods of London controlled by black gangs or end up like Luke Fitzpatrick.

Poland should not be afraid to tell the truth, whether Mr. Campbell would be offended or not.
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
30 May 2012 #140
or areas controlled by Polish, Lituanian or Latvian gangs!
grubas 12 | 1,390
30 May 2012 #141
The Panaroma episode, if anyones interested.

Thanks.Watched it till 4.55 min so far and what an ignorant,lying cvnts these BBC/British are.Someone needs to show them the map of Europe as Poland does not border Austria.Also,Kto nie skacze ten z Widzewa[/i does not translate to [i]Who's not jumping is a Jew] but to Who's not jumping is from/with Widzew.

As for Campbell,he is a dumb,ignorant and prejudiced spook and only a complete retard would take his "opinion" into account.And BBC should be totally banned in Poland and none of its employees allowed to come to Poland ever again.
Ant63 13 | 410
30 May 2012 #142
they show crowds shouting "feckin Jewish ******", they show "Jude Raus" grafitti without mentioning that it has nothing to do with actual Jews

You are really funny :) :) You might want to edit that post.

When people feel so uncomforatable they have to cross the road if they see a policemen coming toward them, it says a lot about the country you are in.

If Poland ever moves into the 21st century, changes it laws, and gives its people and in particular women a voice, then you will see crime figures like the UK's because people will be able to report violent crime, racism and rape. Until then the crap will continue to be swept under the carpet.

Poland has a police force to be truly ashamed of.
ukpolska
30 May 2012 #143
You have to remember that Panorama has really dumbed down over the years and relies on sensationalism rather than fact in recent years. Gone are the days of credible reporting from such presenters as Sir Robin Day, Sir Ludovic Kennedy, Sir Charles Wheeler.

If the English FA want to be complain about racism it wasn’t the best idea to appoint a manager who broke the sporting embargo on apartheid to work at a whites only football team. Nor was it a good idea to employ another member of management who admits to making racist comments in the past or having John Terry in the team who faces a racism trial when he gets back from the Euro Championships.

The FA has also not asked Stuart Pearce to cut off contact with his BNP candidate brother whilst he is working for England. If it seems we appear to have concerns over racism in Ukraine surely we need to get our own house in order first - wouldn't you say?
jarnowa 4 | 499
30 May 2012 #144
surveys show Polish people take most of the jobs that minorities used to have.

Where's the evidence for this bold statement?

More realistic seems to me that Polish people took the jobs that were avoided by minorities who rather prefered to live on welfare.
OP peterweg 37 | 2,319
30 May 2012 #145
Now you've reached the core of the problem. Congratulations, you're finally making some progress!

Yes, try change that.. no chance..Poland is screwed

The best answer would be to warn Polish visitors to the Olympics to avoid neighbourhoods of London controlled by black gangs or end up like Luke Fitzpatrick.

Poland should not be afraid to tell the truth, whether Mr. Campbell would be offended or not.

Good luck with that. You'd have more chance teaching the world Nuclear Physics.

People already have a clear understanding of what London is like, hundreds of millions of people have visited. Nothing you say will affect that.

They had one chance to find out what Poland is like and they have.

England have no right to point fingers when it come to racism in Football. Unfortunately nobody is going to care about that - the UK has tried and is doing to do something about it.
jarnowa 4 | 499
30 May 2012 #146
or areas controlled by Polish, Lituanian or Latvian gangs!

maybe there are, but at least they don't attack people of other races, whilst black/coloured stabbers in London have attacked and killed white people on several occasions.

(remember the recent London riots?)
OP peterweg 37 | 2,319
30 May 2012 #147
The implication with Poland is that, as a country of Nazi racists, they may attack any foreigner. andf teh polish authorities and Police will do nothing about it as it acceptable to be racist in Poland.
jarnowa 4 | 499
30 May 2012 #148
maybe you have 1 or 2 examples of a foreigner being attacked in Poland and police doing nothing?
OP peterweg 37 | 2,319
30 May 2012 #149
Now you are talking about, truth, reality etc. Irrelevant, nobody is interested in that
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
30 May 2012 #150
Yes, try change that.. no chance..Poland is screwed

Actually it's you that's screwed...screwed up anyhow.
One of the strengths of Poland is that one can still be out and about and for better or worse everyone here is Polish. If you respect that and don't try to push your perceptions of multiculturalism (often confused with multi-ethnicism) on them then you too can enjoy safe streets (albeit in need of some fixing up).

I am beginning to doubt you've even attempted to acknowledge the cultural upheaval that happened in this country over the last century. It's no coincidence there's a lack of regional distinction here compared to France, Italy, Germany, etc. People like you demand Poles accept everyone who isn't Polish, that's fair to demand of Poles who live abroad. But no one has any right to tell Poles how they should or shouldn't regard those from other ethnicities and certainly anyone from as dangerous a place as the UK should have the good sense to keep their trap shut when it comes to condemning violence in a safer country than the one they live in.

Oh, I know, the violence Campbell was warning his fellow Brits against is racist, so to people like yourself, that somehow makes it worse. To those of us who can actually think for ourselves we know that less is more in this matter.

I am sure though, you will let none of these facts get in the way of trying force your sickness on the Poles. I wish you the worst of luck in that.

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