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Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin


AdamKadmon 2 | 508
29 May 2012 #91
The present centre right government doesn't want to galvanise the far right and PIS doesn't want to alienate his supporters.

Donald Tusk, our PM, a soccer player himself should sacrifice his hobby for the better side of life - reading books, singing songs, not all patriotic ones and the like; some day there will be people ruling Poland more of that kind I hope.

BTW, that soccer disease came from England. Am I right?
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
29 May 2012 #92
the amount of head in sand,oh,but look at XYZ other country types who posted on here goes a long way in explaining the problem.

I think this really misses the point people are making. Some guy living in a glass house ought to keep his little pile of stones untouched. There are plenty of things that people in the UK need to address in their own country so it would serve them better if they went about doing that instead of worrying about how Poles regard other ethnicities.

There is hardly any race related tension here compared to multi-ethnic countries. I know many, many people that have commented how safe it is here compared to multi-cultural havens so perhaps that is worth noting too.
pgtx 30 | 3,156
29 May 2012 #93
the Polish team may not win the Euro, but I'm happy that the Polish coffin business will sky racket!
OP peterweg 37 | 2,319
29 May 2012 #94
Some guy living in a glass house ought to keep his little pile of stones untouched.

Those countries aren't hosting the Euro 2012.
jon357 69 | 18,457
29 May 2012 #95
Amazing to see some of the vitriol in this thread. A combination of a foreboding that something will happen to cause bad publicity, that and the fact that Poland will be in the competition as one of the host countries but are expected to do very badly.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
29 May 2012 #96
Amazing to see some of the vitriol in this thread.

From what I notice, European football tends to bring out the worst in some people. It's just a game ffs.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
29 May 2012 #97
Those countries aren't hosting the Euro 2012.

So the issue of violence is only an issue during major events then?
OP peterweg 37 | 2,319
29 May 2012 #98
The eyes of the world are on Poland and Ukraine, nowhere else.
monia 3 | 212
29 May 2012 #99
Sol Campbell warns fans to stay away from Euro 2012

This man is repeating old stereotypes about Poland , having no idea about Poland an its people . This subculture of football fans is ruled by their own code which does not allow to harm outside people in any way . They have fights only among themselves . Those animosities between clubs date even times of prewar Poland .

many specialists
About Polish team - contrary to some posters Polish team has got world class players like : the best right wing defender in the world (in opinion of specialists - Lukasz Piszczek , the most promissing young goalkeeper- Wojciech Szczęsny and of course the best player of Bundesliga in 2012 - the Polish striker Robert Lewandowski ( I am a very big fan of him , he is not only a modest person , but he is very intelligent , he has learned German language in 2 years ) . Maybe it is not enough to win this tournament and even if they will not go further I will watch their games without any sense of defeat, because they represent quite different style than our football team did in the recent past .
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
29 May 2012 #100
The eyes of the world are on Poland and Ukraine, nowhere else.

Ah, so when the next stabbing victim in London falls to the pavement, it won't matter because the "eyes of the world" aren't on him (likely a him)?

The eyes of the world are looking for "racism" and they'll be damned if anything stops them from finding it. Never mind if it's in their own back yard or not, if they don't point their fingers at the Poles then what will they do? Fix their own problems? Pfft, yeah right.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384
29 May 2012 #101
it seems that Poland and Ukraine have never played home internationals.

if they had folks would understand the reality of what to expect.

but no, it will result in coffins.
jon357 69 | 18,457
29 May 2012 #102
So the issue of violence is only an issue during major events then?

The issue is the major event about to happen in Poland and Ukraine. Don't duck the issue.

it seems that Poland and Ukraine have never played home internationals.

if they had folks would understand the reality of what to expect.

but no, it will result in coffins

Pretty well true. A lot of ostrich mentality here. Let's hope the police stay on top of it, but whether they do or don't, it'll make some pretty compelling news footage.

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Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
29 May 2012 #103
Chris Rogers presents Euro 2012: Stadiums of Hate
BBC One, Monday, 28 May at 20:30 BST

I saw today main parts of it... as I expected, in case of Poland the focus is mainly on Wisła vs. Cracovia and Widzew vs. £KS and yes... they show crowds shouting "feckin Jewish ******", they show "Jude Raus" grafitti without mentioning that it has nothing to do with actual Jews, without saying they there's been quite a few Isreali players in Polish leage and they haven't had any problems here, without saying that one of them almost made a decision to play for Polish national team and once he finally decided to choose Isreali national team instead, vast majority of football fans in Poland were disappointed. Of course they also don't mention a fact that vast majority of problems in Poland is limited to conflicts between several clubs and that during matches between national teams there hardly ever been any problems. What for ? That would be boring, better push the horseshyt that large numbers of "Eastern Europeans" are nazis. The only shocking thing I saw there was an attack on Indians... in Ukraine.

Sol Campbells comments were after he saw the footage.

I think somebody should start reminding the world what we saw in London not so long ago... all that garbage burning buildings, looting whatever they could...

Too thck to realise that the Euro 2012 is not being played in London. London is in Britain, not POLAND or UKRANINE

You took the words out of my mouth.

Too thck to realize that TVP could produce and broadcost similar stuff about UK soon before the Olympic games, invite some sportsman or celebrity to comment and then send his/her "Don't go to UK ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin" to hit the headlines around the world. What would you say then, koonts ? Most probably: "sort out your own crap, motherfecker.s", yeah this exactly what we are telling you right now.

Some fairly embarrassing comments here.

For example ?

Sorry, but the violence removed from stadiums will occur again and again in streets of London and elsewhere in the future.

Sure. They didn't solve any problems. They basically priced the yobs out of the stadiums and turned football matches into snobish events for middle and upper classes and the problems still exist, only not so visible in front of cameras. Talk about head in sand...

Pretty well true. A lot of ostrich mentality here. Let's hope the police stay on top of it, but whether they do or don't, it'll make some pretty compelling news footage.

You are so clueless about things discussed here that you didn't even understand that It was sarcasm...
jon357 69 | 18,457
29 May 2012 #104
Too thck to realize that TVP could produce and broadcost similar stuff about UK soon before the Olympic games, invite some sportsman or celebrity to comment and then send his/her "Don't go to UK … because you could end up coming back in a coffin" to hit the headlines around the world. What would you say then, koonts ?

We'd say:
A. Well, it's one of the world's biggest cities and **** happens
B. The Olympics will be policed very well
C. There's no such thing as organised athletics hooliganism.
D. Why haven't they then?
E. Why would a TVP documentary 'hit the headlines round the world'?

You really should try harder.

You are so clueless about things discussed here that you didn't even understand that It was sarcasm

From a moderator? No. They ban people for sarcasm. Don't they?

Now go back to your cellar while the rest of us discuss Poland and Ukraine's endemic problems with football hooliganism.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
29 May 2012 #105
We'd say:

Sure you would :))) Hopefully we will test it soon.

You really should try harder.

Tell us more about ostrich mentality you football expert :)))
jon357 69 | 18,457
29 May 2012 #106
Yes, we will see. Either way there will be issues in one of the two host countries. You might like to know that the media in France, Germany, Russia, Spain and Italy are also running stories about the hooliganism problem.
OP peterweg 37 | 2,319
29 May 2012 #107
Too thck to realize that TVP could produce and broadcost similar stuff about UK soon before the Olympic games

Do you know how many newspapers would print it outside Poland? Nil. Because Poland has a reputation for being a racist, nazi country, so its believable. People will still go to London because its one of the must visit cities in the world..
Trevek 26 | 1,702
29 May 2012 #108
To be fair, you really wouldn't get UK fans shouting racial abuse from the stands in a football match, at, for example, black players, or attacking a group of Asian students who are supporting the same side. Or any side. There is such a mix of people here, that kind of blatant racism doesn't happen.

Funny, it happened not too many years ago... bananas chucked on the pitch (something I heard of at a French match too)... Oh, and don't forget how lovely and unbigotted the rangers fans were when Boruc crossed himself.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
29 May 2012 #109
The issue is the major event about to happen in Poland and Ukraine. Don't duck the issue.

What do you consider to be ducking the issue?
I gave Gustav e-kudos for pointing out the comparative safety one can enjoy in Poland compared to the UK, the place from where Campbell made his comments.
monia 3 | 212
29 May 2012 #110
Because Poland has a reputation for being a racist, nazi country, so its believable.

Primitive old zionistic ways to discredit our country . A reputation spread by Jews who own British tabloids and you are too ignorant to notice that . An intelligent person does not pay attention to tthat provocations .
Trevek 26 | 1,702
29 May 2012 #111
Too thck to realise that the Euro 2012 is not being played in London. London is in Britain, not POLAND or UKRANINE

So it's OK to have riots, elect far-right parties to Euro-parliament, have religiously bigotted football fans who enjoy scrapping as long as Euro 2012 isn't being played there?

To me this is just a case of British "journalism" jumping on a minority situation so it can have a bit of a buzz and feel superior, whilst ignoring a lot of the problems in UK.
jon357 69 | 18,457
29 May 2012 #112
I gave Gustav e-kudos for pointing out the comparative safety one can enjoy in Poland compared to the UK, the place from where Campbell made his comments

Yet I don't see the world's media broadcasting about Olympics hooliganism.
monia 3 | 212
29 May 2012 #113
Olympics hooliganism.

Havent heard about such thing in my entire life . Does such term exist at all ?
pgtx 30 | 3,156
29 May 2012 #114
yep, if the Olympics were in Poland and the Euro in London, it would change EVERYTHING!
jon357 69 | 18,457
29 May 2012 #115
That's the whole point. Olympics hooliganism doesn't exist, the Olympics aren't in Warsaw and the Euro 2012 isn't in the UK so any comparison between the Olympic games and a football event held in a region with endemic problems of organised hooliganism are necessarily false.

Though as I remember, the last timeEngland hosted the Euro it went rather well.
Bieganski 17 | 896
30 May 2012 #116
Begianski,wouldn't you say that essentially, it would be a descent in to madness to walk around any where hurling racial slurs?

Yes, of course. Some terms of abuse are very obvious but others can be more measured and this can depend on context and a person's knowledge of a language from where a word originates. It could very well be that some non-native English speakers would not know that the word "coloured" is no longer socially acceptable to refer to another person's race in places like Britain, America and Canada.

My point was that the poster local_fela launched into a lecture about how Poland needs to clean up its act but he stepped right in it himself by casually using the term "coloured" to refer to other people which I take are unlike himself.

Also, he not only used the unacceptable word "coloured" but he accused Polish fans of being "retarded" but then ended his screed stating that he wasn't abusing anyone. I don't know if local_fela was just upset about the BBC program he watched but I found that his posting came off quite absurd and even hypocritical.
Trevek 26 | 1,702
30 May 2012 #117
Olympics hooliganism doesn't exist,

No, but Olympic terrorism does.
jon357 69 | 18,457
30 May 2012 #118
And the residents are complaining about how thorough the anti-terrorist precautions are. Not that this has anything to do with the endemic problems of football hooliganism in this part of the world.
wawa_marek 1 | 129
30 May 2012 #119
In Poland, Jonathan Ornstein of the Jewish Cultural Centre, said football hooligans in the country are stuck in the past.

I do not recognize any.

I am concerned that they will be targeted by racists and fascists and anti-Semites in Poland and in Ukraine."

So what - racists, fascists or anti-Semites? All of them same from Poznan to Donetsk or any difference?

Nothing unusual will not happen in Poland and also Ukraine. There are 2 different reasons for both countries.

In Poland, in big cities there is a large population of immigrants from: Vietnam, China, Kaukaz, Turkey, India, North Africa and also Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria, Greece, Italy.

Nothing usual happens, everybody is doing his own business. Sometimes there are some incidents like this:
youtube.com/watch?v=NagShfwkmzk&feature=related

Sometimes immigrants are attackers also.

Ukraine is very open for foreigners, in most cases are friendly and helpful (even if some of them don't like Polish people for ex.). There is a large Jewish population in Odessa at the black sea.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
30 May 2012 #120
Do you know how many newspapers would print it outside Poland? Nil.

Probably... unless an internationally known person would be invented to comment and the whole thing would be translated to English.

Because Poland has a reputation for being a racist, nazi country, so its believable.

Yes it has, largely due to such feckers as Chris Rogers... If such feckers as Chris Rogers were trying to present UK as a country with huge problems related to crime, social tensions, racism, xenophobia, religious intolerance and fanatism, they would likely succeed as one can easily find plenty of such things in the UK and one could easily present it as a norm If that was his intention.

bananas chucked on the pitch (something I heard of at a French match too)...

They did the same in Serie A this month...

That's the whole point. Olympics hooliganism doesn't exist

So you want to tell us that If a fan attending Olympics will get stabbed somewhere near a pub, It won't matter because It won't be Olympic hooliganism ?

the Olympics aren't in Warsaw and the Euro 2012 isn't in the UK so any comparison between the Olympic games and a football event held in a region with endemic problems of organised hooliganism are necessarily false.

People from country A, which is hosting a major sport event this year, claim that fans shouldn't attend another major sport event being hosted this year in country B, because there is a serious risk they might be killed... Then people from country B call it nonsense and prove that attending an event in country A is no less dangerous for fans and despite that fact, somehow people from country A, their media or anyone else, don't ask the fans to re-think the plans about coming to see their event... so that clearly shows it is more about pointing fingers at others in a trully xenophobic manner and not any real concern about safety of fans...

Which part of that you don't understand ? Are you really that slow ?

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