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Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin


pawian 181 | 17,079
28 May 2012 #61
C`mon, as if there is a need to feed all retarded trolls in the PF? :):):):)
Trevek 26 | 1,702
28 May 2012 #62
Is the Nick Lowles the communist Europhobe and former Searchlight editor?

Don't know anything about the guy but is he one of the bandwagonist "all Poles are anti-semitic" brigade?
Bieganski 17 | 896
28 May 2012 #63
Like Eskimo?

It's not clear what local_fela means by it. I understand the term "coloured" was popularly used by advantaged Whites during America's days of slavery and segregation and South Africa's apartheid era. It suggests that white is the standard and any variation from this is, well, "coloured".

It is known that in previous decades some Blacks and other non-Whites would accept the term (they had little or no choice) but this is no longer the case. I challenge anyone to walk around North America or even the UK and start calling Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Inuits, etc. with the term "coloured" and they will find very quickly the term is not appreciated because it is wrong.
jon357 69 | 18,457
28 May 2012 #64
He's respectable, but that's the guy.
jasondmzk
28 May 2012 #65
This seems pretty bad. Media coverage here in America is escalating, with Ukraine getting slightly more attention. This isn't just bad for Poland and Ukraine, separately, fellas. This Euro 2012 thing was supposed to bring those countries closer together, remember? Now what? They are going to stand together or blame the other?
Ironside 51 | 11,510
28 May 2012 #66
The BBC and football authorities have a bit of history, BBC generally hates them and this maybe a way of attacking them for not dealing with racism (and corruption) in football

I would dig deeper !

s the Nick Lowles the communist Europhobe and former Searchlight editor?

Thats our man, very interesting !

He's respectable, but that's the guy.

Yeah thats the guy I would be paying close attention to if I were mi. Respectable ?:)
pawian 181 | 17,079
28 May 2012 #67
The article was translated:
Comments:

- More Poles are being killed in England than in Poland nowadays.

- British soccer fans are the most peaceful of all.

It is known that in previous decades some Blacks and other non-Whites would accept the term.

Thanks. I was unaware of it.
natasia 3 | 368
29 May 2012 #68
racial abuse

To be fair, you really wouldn't get UK fans shouting racial abuse from the stands in a football match, at, for example, black players, or attacking a group of Asian students who are supporting the same side. Or any side. There is such a mix of people here, that kind of blatant racism doesn't happen. Football matches are for families with kids ... So you really won't get racial abuse at the Olympics from Brits - we are an amazingly tolerant and accepting society here (which has its downsides, but in general is a positive thing).

Come on. We spend all the time on here saying how Brits are x, y and z - let me stand up for us for once. It is bollocks to say there is as much or more chance of racism at the Olympics as in Poland and Ukraine for the football. Poland is like Britain 50 years or more ago re: non-white races. Or almost worse. The comments I have heard from Poles about, for example, anyone black are just unrepeatable. And I genuinely would never ever hear anything at all like that from a self-respecting Brit.

OK. All get het up about that now ... ; )
p3undone 8 | 1,135
29 May 2012 #69
Begianski,wouldn't you say that essentially, it would be a descent in to madness to walk around any where hurling racial slurs?
BBman - | 344
29 May 2012 #70
I think it is more dangerous to travel to the UK than Poland - you never know nowadays, those mongrels in the UK could rise up again like they did last summer.

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patrick 6 | 113
29 May 2012 #71
Having lived in Poznan for eight years, I always felt like I could have been beat up in plain site on the street at any time, especially if people found out that I was a foreigner. However, in America in Seattle or Minneapolis where I lived for ten years, I always felt that I could have been shot.

The positives of being a foreigner definitely outweighed the negatives in Poland, but I certainly found myself in situations where the locals let me know that they didn't like me because I was foreigner.
xzqbq7 2 | 104
29 May 2012 #72
Stop this silly UK Poland comparisons.

Go to Poland and/or Ukraine for EURO and then if you can afford it go to London for OG!

You will have time of your life, believe me I've been to both places.

The only difference is food, but as I am biased I won't say which one is better. Most important, the beer tastes the same.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
29 May 2012 #73
Don't worry about England fans, very few are coming anyway (20k tickets sold).

Good.

The question is whether any other countries fans will attend either.

Some will, some won't...

Sol Campbells comments were after he saw the footage.

I think somebody should start reminding the world what we saw in London not so long ago... all that garbage burning buildings, looting whatever they could...

Do you really want me to cite a long list of complaints made by visiting international football players?

Yes please.

The question is what is Poland going to do to try and repair its wrecked international image? is there anything that can be done?

No, nothing can be done. It's not really about a few clowns, It's about a billion of Poles working around EU, It's about Tusk not having any other idea how to develop this country than begging for more EU handouts and so on. One can not have a good image with all of that. Look at Germany, there have "far-right" and far-left groups much stronger than anything like that in Poland, they don't invade and murder other nations anymore but let's be honest, they are not the nicest people around and If you scratch a Kraut, they often are still xenophobic and look down on others. However the image of Germany is a 1000 times better than that of Poland. Why ? Because when people think Germany they see Mercedes, Siemens trains, Deutsche Bank, Germany foreign investments creating jobs, Merkel making decisions to allocate financial aid to other countries etc. Simply, when you are poor, few will like you no matter what you do, If you are rich they will like you, or at least pretend they do. A guy, who takes out home made sandwiches when others are going out to have a lunch is never very popular. Unless this country starts to be run in a professional manner so people won't be nomads of Europe, no PR actions will help us. There will always be something to claim that "Eastern Europeans" are this or that... and they eat swans.
Wroclaw Boy
29 May 2012 #74
I always felt like I could have been beat up in plain site on the street at any time, especially if people found out that I was a foreigner.

but I certainly found myself in situations where the locals let me know that they didn't like me because I was foreigner.

The worst that ever happened for me was a guy throwing the middle finger when i drove past him in a UK plated car, thats it. Apart from that the only time i ever felt threatened in Poland were by my own country men at a bar in Krakow when i was on my own. I never felt in danger, threatened or anything else in Poland.

England is way more dangerous, i got jumped outside a pub by three dudes only a few months ago.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
29 May 2012 #75
Yes I have my concerns about Poland. Just take a look at how they treat their tiny minority of black people, its truly shocking that a country can put its minority through such torture as electing them to parliament:John Godson Killion Munyama:
OP peterweg 37 | 2,319
29 May 2012 #76
I think somebody should start reminding the world what we saw in London not so long ago... all that garbage burning buildings, looting whatever they could...

Too thck to realise that the Euro 2012 is not being played in London. London is in Britain, not POLAND or UKRANINE
jon357 69 | 18,457
29 May 2012 #77
You took the words out of my mouth.

Of course what it really is is just sniping. People are quite paranoid here that it will all go wrong. The problem is that it's anybody's guess if it will. As I've said before, the government will come down like a ton of bricks on any troublemakers which could also look bad if there are cameras around.
natasia 3 | 368
29 May 2012 #78
Having lived in Poznan for eight years, I always felt like I could have been beat up in plain site on the street at any time, especially if people found out that I was a foreigner. However, in America in Seattle or Minneapolis where I lived for ten years, I always felt that I could have been shot.

Whereas in Oxford, you could just walk down the street without the slightest fear, as we all do here. The worst we anticipate is perhaps tripping on a bit of uneven pavement.

Stop this silly UK Poland comparisons.

... they started because some idiot said it would be more dangerous for a non-white person to go to the Olympic Games in London than to a town somewhere with a strong Hitler Youth following ... we have to admit that the UK is way more friendly to all people, because we are made up of so many different people now ... whether that is a good or bad thing is another matter, but Poland was closed for so long, no wonder they all look sideways at anyone different. It all just takes time. I hope nobody comes back from Euro 2012 in a coffin. I doubt they will.
local_fela 17 | 172
29 May 2012 #79
Bieganski
Its for some idiots to understand! Where have this term been considered racial if you are saying something not abusive?

What for? In fact Platini knows better than you. He visited Poland many times during last 4 years and even earlier. Are you intolerant to Polish people?

Yes that does not mean if someone visited any country they would allow them to prepare for attacks to the visiting fans. He came here to assess the place and not on holiday. And yes they should be excluded if its found that Polish fans are racially abusive towards fans and players. As elsewhere in Europe, clubs, the fans, the locals and the businesses don't like people who are still retarded. huh still doing pretending to be Hitler in the 21st century where Germans are even not talking about this anymore. Is there any worse word to describe retarded? Because this is what seems to be! It applies to some section of the fans! Not the whole lot of Poland. Especially football fans!
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
29 May 2012 #80
There is Racism in one form or another in all countries. Do you think Blacks arn't racist? Go to Derby and watch how the blacks and the indians hate each other. The difference between the UK and Poland is... in the UK we have been brainwashed (right or wrong) into a 'political correct' bubble and have every one of our moves filmed by a CCTV society. In Poland they turn a blind eye!
jon357 69 | 18,457
29 May 2012 #81
I'd rather nobody turned a blind eye, especially in Poland and Ukraine during Euro 2012.
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
29 May 2012 #82
Jon

The problem with Facists (these people arn't racist they hate everybody of every race) is that the more advertising you give them the more they thrive on it. Ignore them and they will go away. If in the 1920's and 1930's nobody gave the Nazi's attention how different would the world have been.
OP peterweg 37 | 2,319
29 May 2012 #83
People are quite paranoid here that it will all go wrong. The problem is that it's anybody's guess if it will. As I've said before, the government will come down like a ton of bricks on any troublemakers which could also look bad if there are cameras around.

This is the problem, in places like the UK (and Brazil for instance) they cracked down on the problem years in advance. Leaving it to luck is to invite a PiR (Public Relations) disaster, and PR is what the Euro 2012 is all about (for Poland and Ukraine)
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
29 May 2012 #84
The problem with the BBC is that they push a 'champagne' socialist ideal and political correctness hard down the throats of the UK and are now trying to do the same witht he Poles. There may be Racism here but the Poles will deal with it their own way. Why don't the BBC just do one. I remember the 1970's an sitcoms like 'love thy neighbour' 'mind you language' and alf garnett. These things wouldn't be allowed in the UK now but to be honest if you watch them they are quite 'anti' racist...alf garnett for example was made to look the fool, as was the white guy in love thy neighbour. In the UK it's gone too far with ethnic minorities being given preferential treatment with jobs (public sector) and housing. This is were the problem lies... a breeding ground for facism! if you look at extreme socialism and extreme fascism there isn't much difference (look at hitler and stalism...egotistical mass murderers)

It's not racism thats the problem it's respect for each other..
emmomac - | 2
29 May 2012 #85
Some fairly embarrassing comments here. Especially from the Poles which is surprising. Of course the BBC has its own agenda and the UK has its own problems but some of the scenes filmed in the documentary in question are very shocking. More so in Ukraine but I would suggest everyone who can watch, does so before getting angry here. The UK had similar problems and went about fixing it. They managed to do it but it took years and a lot of hard work. Even now they have the odd bit of trouble but in general going to football is a safe affair nowadays. it is clear form the filmed evidence in the documentary that the same can not be said about Poland.

This is not an attack on Polish people. Most people posting here love Poland and the people but it is surprising and a little disappointing that you do not accept you have a serious problem.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
29 May 2012 #86
This is the problem, in places like the UK (and Brazil for instance) they cracked down on the problem years in advance.

Yet peterweg responds in such a manner when others made comparisons to the UK which favored the Polish image:

This has got absolutly nothing to do with Britain.

Too thck to realise that the Euro 2012 is not being played in London. London is in Britain, not POLAND or UKRANINE

This is such horsesh*t from the UK's PC squad. Poland is waaaaaaaay safer than the UK for most people.
There's plenty of places where it's safer not to be white, Poland is one of those places where it is.
Cry me f'n river and get over yourselves.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703
29 May 2012 #87
Slavic nazis using the Celtic Cross as a white power badge,says it all really about these wan kers.
Watched the Doc last night,Ukraine is far worse but,sorry, Poland, you dont get off that easily and the amount of head in sand,oh,but look at XYZ other country types who posted on here goes a long way in explaining the problem.

Not so much the tiny minority of rascist idiots,as said,every country has those,no,the problem in Poland is obviously the fact the vast majority of non rascist Poles go into Polska right or wrong,ubber patriot mode and prefer ignoring a problem to facing it.
pawian 181 | 17,079
29 May 2012 #88
The UK had similar problems and went about fixing it. They managed to do it but it took years and a lot of hard work.

But Brits didn`t contain violence after all. It erupted across British cities last year. Remember?

Sorry, but the violence removed from stadiums will occur again and again in streets of London and elsewhere in the future.

I prefer when violence is limited to stadiums than if it rages through streets.
jon357 69 | 18,457
29 May 2012 #89
A whole different kettle of fish, and a different demographic to the football hooligans of days gone by.

In Poland, any reluctance to deal with it may have (indeed almost certainly has) a political aspect. The present centre right government doesn't want to galvanise the hard right and PiS don't want to alienate their supporters.

Anyway, if there are going to be problems, they are more likely to occur in the Ukraine.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
29 May 2012 #90
Anyway, if there are going to be problems, they are more likely to occur in the Ukraine.

Yeah, I mean.....they're practically Russian.

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