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How Polish diaspora see future of Poland? as ethnic Polish state or just Polish in origin?


Harry    
4 Jan 2012  #91
Sometimes, I wonder by their lack of knowledge of Polish and Poland - that they might actually be anti-Polish types. It would certainly explain the clueless ranting.

It would also explain why they have a habit of posting foul racist abuse which Poles would feel ashamed of if it was said by another Pole. They clearly are trying to do damage to the image of Poland!
MediaWatch 10 | 945    
4 Jan 2012  #92
Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated

Well done. You just proved for the umpteemth time what an anti-Polish Bigot you are.

You just basically claimed that Poland being whiped off the map by Germany and Russia from 1795-1917 and again from 1939-1945, did not constitute Polish territory being occupied and no Poles being discriminated against.

That's because in your anti-Polish mind, a "good Poland" is a Poland that does not exist and the hell with the ethnic Poles in occupied territory being oppressed by two other nations.

But what else can anyone expect from Silly Harry and his ingrained anti-Polish biases?

Remind us of all the things which you have done for Poland. Other, of course, than making Poland a much nicer place by never ever coming here.

Yeah dream on. The last person I have to prove anything to is somebody like yourself.

Do you talk about it while eating Busia Sofia's golumpkies and pierogies?

You and your fellow Poland-Basher Delphiadomine keep talking about this "Busia" thing. I have never heard this word (that you and Delph dreamed up) so you mind telling me what it means???

I get the impression that the Polish-Americans see enemies where Poland doesn't. Another great sign of how they're totally out of touch with (as they say) - "Polish reality".

This is code for:

I Delphiadomine want to bash Poles with impunity and I get offended when people of Polish ancestry challenge my Polish-bashing.

Remember, he defends Poland on the internet. Poland doesn't want/need defending, but he doesn't let that little matter stop him.

Harry    
4 Jan 2012  #93
You just basically claimed that Poland being whiped off the map by Germany and Russia from 1795-1917 and again from 1939-1945, did not constitute Polish territory being occupied and no Poles being discriminated against.

Really? Perhaps you could quote from the post in which make any such claim? Either that or just admit that, as usual, you are lying.

That's because in your anti-Polish mind, a "good Poland" is a Poland that does not exist and the hell with the ethnic Poles in occupied territory being oppressed by two other nations.

And again, perhaps you could quote from the post in which make any such statement or suggestion? Either that or just admit that, as usual, you are lying.

You and your fellow Poland-Basher Delphiadomine

You mean me and another person who chooses to live in Poland and to work for the good of Poland. Do feel most free to now tell us what you have ever done for Poland.

Frankly the racist idiocy which you spout on a regular basis very much shows that you are attempting to blacken the good name of Poland. I suspect that you are actually a Russian immigrant to the USA who has decided to try to damage Poland by any means possible. Unfortunately for you, those of us who work for Poland will certainly stand up for Poland.
JonnyM 12 | 2,629    
4 Jan 2012  #94
You just basically claimed that Poland being whiped off the map by Germany and Russia from 1795-1917 and again from 1939-1945, did not constitute Polish territory being occupied

It didn't. Being occupied has a strict definition - to do with diplomatic recognition. Poland was partitioned. That's why we in Poland call it 'Rozbiory' not 'Okupacja'.
MediaWatch 10 | 945    
4 Jan 2012  #95
Really? Perhaps you could quote from the post in which make any such claim? Either that or just admit that, as usual, you are lying.

And again, perhaps you could quote from the post in which make any such statement or suggestion? Either that or just admit that, as usual, you are lying.

No Harry you are the liar.

Are you trying to deny that you said Poland was not being occupied and Poles were not being discriminated against when I said Poland was being occupied from 1795-1917 and in WWII?

Well then look at my message #88 (top part) and your response to it in message #89. Here let me refresh your memory.

This is what I said in message 88:

Better yet, Germany and Russia stole ALL of Poland between 1795-1917....they did it again in 1939 for two years.... and today Poland has diplomatic relations with both countries.

This is how you responded.

Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated

You have a lot of nerve accusing me of lying when you are lying through your teeth.

It didn't. Being occupied has a strict definition - to do with diplomatic recognition. Poland was partitioned. That's why we in Poland call it 'Rozbiory' not 'Okupacja'.

Yes I'm sure if you spoke to the leaders of Poland and the average Polish person they would say Poland was not occupied during the partitions or being discriminated against. LMAO!!!!

Man are you nuts.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,553    
4 Jan 2012  #96
It didn't. Being occupied has a strict definition - to do with diplomatic recognition. Poland was partitioned. That's why we in Poland call it 'Rozbiory' not 'Okupacja'.

And this is exactly why they haven't got a clue. I suspect they don't even know the Polish words in question, let alone the definition.

I Delphiadomine want to bash Poles with impunity and I get offended when people of Polish ancestry challenge my Polish-bashing.

"I, MediaWatch, proudly declare my intention to defend Poland on the internet from people living in Poland. Such people are an insult to Busia Sofia and her golumpkies, and I shall do my best to make Poland seem like a backwards, racist country like it was when Busia Sofia left".

Yes I'm sure if you spoke to the leaders of Poland and the average Polish person they would say Poland was not occupied during the partitions

My, that shows how little you know about Poland.

Nowhere in Poland is it taught that the country was "occupied" after the partitions - it was partitioned, it's as simple as that. Occupation refers to WW2 and to the PRL era, not the partitioned era.

Seeing as you claim to know Polish - why is it pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rozbiory_Polski and not Okupacja?

Of course - if you claim that it was an occupation, then you directly support the theory of Czech ultra nationalists, who will have you believe that Poland occupied Czechoslovakia. Yet again - proof that you haven't got a clue.
Harry    
4 Jan 2012  #97
Harry: Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated

Perhaps you could tell me which Polish territory is occupied by Russians or Germans at present? The selective edit which you perform on my post shows that you are trying to change what I said to what I did not say.

Are you trying to deny that you said Poland was not being occupied and Poles were not being discriminated against when I said Poland was being occupied from 1795-1917 and in WWII?

As is quite clearly shown by my quote which you edited, I use present tenses. You are using past tenses. So yes, I do deny that I said Poland was not being occupied and Poles were not being discriminated against. And I can support my statement with a quote. Such a pity that you have nothing with which to support your latest lies.

Poland seem like a backwards, racist country like it was when Busia Sofia left

That is entirely unfair: Poland was neither a backwards nor a racist country when Busia Sofia left. It could not have been (it wasn't a country then).
Sobieski1 1 | 14    
4 Jan 2012  #98
delphiandomine
Who you and what is your opinion worth dont start thinking that the majority of polish people agree with your left anti nationalist rubbish many polish see what is happening across europe and thankfully are clever enough to see the destruction of nationalism on a massive scale unlike the nations that collanised africa. france, britain ect poland has no guilt on these issues and can kindly say no to mass immigration of races that have destroyed nationalistic pride across western europe and as for americans with a sense of nationalist pride the majority came from imprisoning the locals in america and turning them into slaves no american has nationalistic pride to speak of the whole country is immigrants
MediaWatch 10 | 945    
4 Jan 2012  #99
Perhaps you could tell me which Polish territory is occupied by Russians or Germans at present? The selective edit which you perform on my post shows that you are trying to change what I said to what I did not say.

There is no selected edit on my part.

Its quite simple. I talked about Poland being occupied in two different times in history and you responded by saying basically: "Poland was not occupied and Poles were not disriminated against".

If you want to talk about things in the present, then WHY would you respond to a statement I'm making about the PAST?? Are you retarded?

There is NO selected editing here. I talked about something and you clearly responded to it and were hence caught in a lie. Now you're trying to talk your way out of it accusing me of "selective editing". Give me a break.

As is quite clearly shown by my quote which you edited, I use present tenses. You are using past tenses. So yes, I do deny that I said Poland was not being occupied and Poles were not being discriminated against. And I can support my statement with a quote. Such a pity that you have nothing with which to support your latest lies.

No its clearly a pity that you have to accuse other people of that which you do all the time. Lie.

So if I'm CLEARLY talking about two periods in time in the PAST about how Poland was being occupied and being discriminated against, WHY IN THE WORLD would you give me a direct answer that has NOTHING to do with the subject matter I'm talking about?

Are you hallucinating about what you see in messages? Is your mind working OK?
ShAlEyNsTfOh 4 | 162    
4 Jan 2012  #100
polish see what is happening across europe and thankfully are clever enough to see the destruction of nationalism on a massive scale

TRUTH.

we Poles are not stupid nor blind.

Thanks.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,553    
4 Jan 2012  #101
"we Poles"....hahahaha.

When you contribute to Poland and actually do something to help this country, perhaps you can call yourself Polish then. Till then, you're just another foreigner.
Harry    
4 Jan 2012  #102
Its quite simple. I talked about Poland being occupied in two different times in history and you responded by saying basically: "Poland was not occupied and Poles were not disriminated against".

If you want to talk about things in the present, then WHY would you respond to a statement I'm making about the PAST??

Your post actually says "Germany and Russia stole ALL of Poland between 1795-1917....they did it again in 1939 for two years.... and today Poland has diplomatic relations with both countries." So you do talk about the present. My reply was "no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against". So I did not say 'Poland was not occupied and Poles were not disriminated against'.

Such a pity that you feel the need to lie about what I said and what you said, but unfortunately it is not in the least of a surprise.

So if I'm CLEARLY talking about two periods in time in the PAST about how Poland was being occupied and being discriminated against, WHY IN THE WORLD would you give me a direct answer that has NOTHING to do with the subject matter I'm talking about?

As noted above, you actually say "and today Poland has diplomatic relations with both countries". So I replied about today. Please stop lying.
MediaWatch 10 | 945    
4 Jan 2012  #103
No you're the liar

I said this:

Better yet, Germany and Russia stole ALL of Poland between 1795-1917....they did it again in 1939 for two years.... and today Poland has diplomatic relations with both countries.

AND THIS IS YOUR RESPONSE???????

Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against to a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed to be the territory of another nation and discriminating against the unfortunate people who lived on their own territory; that is stunningly good work.

I'm clearly making the major point of referencing Poland's past of being occupied and discriminated against and then secondarily comparing it to how today Poland has diplomatic relations with those past occupiers and you come up with your above incoherent response??

But to be fair here, why don't you explain to me how you came up with your answer:

Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against to a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed to be the territory of another nation and discriminating against the unfortunate people who lived on their own territory; that is stunningly good work.

I have to hear this. Because your response answer makes absolutely no sense based on what I said.
Harry    
4 Jan 2012  #104
No you're the liar

Pathetic. Even by your standards. Luckily I have provided links and so people can check for themselves that the posts say exactly what I state they do.

I'm clearly making the major point of referencing Poland's past of being occupied and discriminated against and then secondarily comparing it to how today Poland has diplomatic relations with those past occupiers and you come up with your above incoherent response??

You talked about "today" and I did too.

I have to hear this. Because your response answer makes absolutely no sense based on what I said.

You talked about today Poland having diplomatic relations with countries which used to occupy its territory. I pointed out that that is no comparison to a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed was the territory of another country and discriminated against people who were living on land which Poland had agreed belonged to their nation rather than Poland. Only a complete moron could criticise a nation for not having diplomatic relations with a country which was then occupying its territory and discrimination against its people.
MediaWatch 10 | 945    
5 Jan 2012  #105
Don't start changing the subject here.

The whole issue here is simply this:

How did my simple statement here:

Better yet, Germany and Russia stole ALL of Poland between 1795-1917....they did it again in 1939 for two years.... and today Poland has diplomatic relations with both countries.

Become interpreted and answered by you as this:

Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against to a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed to be the territory of another nation and discriminating against the unfortunate people who lived on their own territory; that is stunningly good work.

That's the question here and nothing else.

Lets break this down.

There are two basic components of my simple statement:

1)Poland once being occupied and discriminated by other countries

2)Poland now has diplomatic relations with those countries.

THAT'S IT!!!

But in your twisted mind you interpret that simple statement of mine as this:

Well done, you manage to compare the situation when no Polish territory is being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against to a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed to be the territory of another nation and discriminating against the unfortunate people who lived on their own territory; that is stunningly good work.

You basically have two points in your response to my simple statement.

1) Me comparing a situation when no Polish territory being occupied and no Poles are being discriminated against

2) Me talking about a situation where Poland was occupying what it had agreed to be territory of another nation and discriminating against those unfortunate people who lived on their own territory

Tell me, which of my two points of my simple statement reflected your second point??
Ironside 47 | 9,109    
5 Jan 2012  #106
Tell me, which of my two points of my simple statement reflected your second point??

Harry in general is a troubled soul, full of vinegar and contradictions.
He is opting for Poland open to all immigrants from all over the world. On the other hand he is scolding pre-war Poland for being multi-ethnic country.

Schizophrenia typical for those PC types with a cause. Not reason.
Harry    
5 Jan 2012  #107
Don't start changing the subject here.

And yet another lie from you. I did not change the subject: I talked about the statements you made and my reply (or course, you have now lied about both those things).

There really is no point in going on with this: all you do is lie and what you are lying about has no connection at all to the topic of this thread.

On the other hand he is scolding pre-war Poland for being multi-ethnic country.

Really? Do feel more than free to quote from any post in which I do any such thing. Although we will of course be waiting quite a while for you to attempt to support your latest lie.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,553    
5 Jan 2012  #108
There really is no point in going on with this

No point - the tin foil hat tells him the truth and that's that.
johnny reb 16 | 3,274    
16 Apr 2015  #109
Pam must have missed this old thread not have it deleted already.

In Poland that would be a big "Phuck off! This is Poland, ya know? Like it or leave it - it's your choice" And then some insults. And then some more insults. And then quick deportation.

RIGHT ON BRO. !
And this was posted 4 years ago and just look what has happened in those last 4 years in UKistan and on the Polish Forum.
The Polish philosophy is the only one that works to avoid ruining a culture and it's economy.

Catholicism and Islam will never match. Are Polish people forgetting that our ancestors killed their ancestors 500 years ago? when they tried invading Europe much like they are now, and imposing their way of life.

Lets just pray that history will repeat itself.
@ ShAlEyNsTfOh

After reading this old thread, that is now "OUTLAWED" because of "tolerance" that is being "instilled" just like these Polish Forum members predicted 4 years ago has come true now hasn't it ?

We can bury our heads in the sand (to appease them) all we want yet it still DIRECTLY effects Poland and it's people.
What a great read this thread was as the members were right on.
Anyone want to take bets on how long before this thread will be CLOSED because of the NEW "tolerance" that we
are being FORCED to tip toe around which just proves our point in what has happened in the last four years which is......

much like they are now, and imposing their way of life.

In Poland that would be a big "Phuck off! This is Poland, ya know? Like it or leave it - it's your choice"

Just another reason I respect and love Poland.
jon357 65 | 13,567    
16 Apr 2015  #110
I wonder what you mean by "pure country".
Marsupial - | 915    
16 Apr 2015  #111
I deal with people of all nationalities. My observations is that some multiculturalism is very beneficial. Too much is cancer for sure. I definitely think that the.countries who exploited the native people are getting over run and getting some karma back and that Poland has no such guilt nor should it develop any. I like Poland's strict immigration policy.
OP Crow 143 | 7,293    
16 Apr 2015  #112
It has only gotten worse over those 4 years

yes, interesting, isn`t it. Many things that i tried to tell to Poles, to explain them, to brotherly warn them on some dangers.... looks today closer to Poland then 4 years ago. In next 4 years it would be even closer, if not reality.
johnny reb 16 | 3,274    
16 Apr 2015  #113
You do amaze me sometimes Crow.
Hopefully Poland will limit this kind of immigration so Warsaw doesn't turn into a "London" or Dearbornistan Michigan U.S.A.
where they have taken over with their demands. (Not to mention what they are doing to the welfare systems)
The home countries culture is being robbed and we all know what comes after that.
They don't want to just take your land or kick you out of your cities, they want to erase your past, your heritage.
Hopefully Poland will see this and remain a pure ethnic Country with it's immigration laws.
TheOther 5 | 3,453    
16 Apr 2015  #114
Hopefully Poland will see this and remain a pure ethnic Country with it's immigration laws.

There is the so-called Freedom of Movement within the EU. Poland cannot expect other countries to welcome her citizens but at the same time refuse to grant people from other EU nations permanent residency and/or working permits. That's not how it works.

europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/free_movement_of_persons_asylum_immigration/index_en.htm

They don't want to just take your land or kick you out of your cities, they want to erase your past, your heritage.

Yeah, please remind us what the first European settlers in the Americas did... :)
Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
16 Apr 2015  #115
What kind of Poland do Polish Americans want to see? First of all, the truth of the matter is that 85-90% people calling themselves Polish Americans or often saying things like "my grandparents were Polish" (suggesting that DNA notwithstanding they no longer are) have little if any interest in Old Country developments, news, concerns or whatever and live lives similar to those of the de-ethnicised Petronellis, Schultzes, Dubois, Svenesens*, etc.

The 10-15% that are interested in their cultural heritage (roots, ancestry, whatever) generally want Poland to remain a predominantly Catholic country and would not advocate large-scale immigration by Third World types. American Poles with Polish citizenship overwhelmingly back PiS (60-65% support). Deep down they know PiS are a bunch of crooks just like PO, SLD or whatever, but they prefer to back crooks that at least spout the slogans they feel comfortable with: conservative, pro-Catholic, pro-family, pro-tradition. That in a nutshell is more or less the way it is.

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* I have purposely left out the Gonzalezes, Al-Rashids and Shapiros because those are separate cases of groups displaying a higher level of ethnic identification and awareness.
OP Crow 143 | 7,293    
14 Aug 2015  #116
What kind of Poland do Polish Americans want to see? First of all, the truth of the matter is that 85-90% people calling themselves Polish Americans or often saying things like "my grandparents were Polish"

so, they are assimilated already

The 10-15% that are interested in their cultural heritage.

10-15% only?

American Poles with Polish citizenship overwhelmingly back PiS (60-65% support)

they are against Duda?

That in a nutshell is more or less the way it is.

horrible, if that is so.

All in all, Poles in diaspora differ from Poles in Poland.
Dolnoslask    
14 Aug 2015  #117
"How Polish diaspora see future of Poland? "

My answer is a great deal is in the hands of the diaspora, rather than sitting outside looking in, it is better to return to Poland and help provide investment, skills and ideas to build a better future.

Poland is a great untapped resource in terms of skills and natural resources.

Although I have lived outside of Poland for many years I have always felt connected to the land that my mother and father both lost. On my return I have found a safe and beautiful country that holds many opportunities for the future.

I am looking at at possible opportunities and I plan to make an investment here in Poland.

People used to go west to seek fame and fortune, but that idea is pretty well exhausted now, I,m think the east is the future goldmine, I agree there are problems to overcome, but the positives and potential returns outweigh the negatives.

Anyway I'm sure I will get shot down in flames here.

maybe i am off topic because i don't understand the ethnic polish state or just polish in origin bit??? maybe some one could explain the difference.

Anyway I will put on my tin hat and await the incoming....
OP Crow 143 | 7,293    
10 Aug 2018  #118
Well people, how I read Polish diaspora and Polish circles around US President Trump are to give support to Serbian caucus in USA, to political circles in Serbia and Serb Republic in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Corey Lewandowski will see to it. Poles are increasingly interested how Kosovo crisis coming to its solution. No wonder, Serbia (and Kosovo within it) were traditional realm of old Polish Kings. Its strategically important area that stay close to warm seas of Mediterranean and hold major transportation routes that connects Europe-Asia-Near East. Similar is with Bosnia and Herzegovina. Also to remind, Polish St. Jadwiga originate from Serbian medieval nobility from Bosnia.

source: b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2018&mm=08&dd=10&nav_category=167&nav_id=1429302
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,662    
10 Aug 2018  #119
Poles can't trust Trump. At the end of the day if there's any country/people Trump will help it'll be Israel and the Jews as the Zionists totally have his ear, even above Americans. Trump is primarily goox for Americans and Jews, poles are an afterthought and the only reason why trump had some support for poland is because he applauds our nationalism and not allowing the eu and multiculturalism to destroy our society like w europe. You wont find any migrants taking rape prevention classes here thats for sure. Poles unfortunately have very little lobbying strength in the us. Even the largest two groups both hq'd in Chicago don't have any teeth and are more about helping other poles and maintaining Catholic tradition. The proof in that is trumps support for the just act and how he refused to meet with the president during the Poland Israel spat. Will US come to the defense of Poland? Idk... maybe.. but far sooner than UK and France as they are now puny pencil necks of their former self and even when they were powerful they didn't help Poland esp UK. The only countries Poland can truly rely on are it's v4 partners and finally the government and people are realizing that.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,870    
10 Aug 2018  #120
At the end of the day if there's any country/people Trump will help it'll be Israel and the Jews as the Zionists totally have his ear.

Is it through Kushner? What do you think?

The only countries Poland can truly rely on are it's v4 partners and finally the government and people are realizing that.

Nah...they already differ in regards to Russia. Hungary want's to go friendly with Putin and has absolutely nothing against a better relationship with Russia...Poland not so much. And that could become a crucial disagreement!



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