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€80 billion for Poland new EU budget


SeanBM 35 | 5,808
1 Jul 2011 #61
€80 billion for Poland new EU budget

Poland is ready to suffer for the greater common good of Europe, as she always was.

Suffering €80 billion, you poor thing ;)

How is it in all this debate, non have provided how much Poland was able to spend of the €67,28 billion? That would be interesting. Poland will receive 67,28 billion Euro from European Union for the years 2007-2013. I see this money being spent everywhere, infrastructure and businesses alike, I know several people who have received hefty grants to expand their businesses and it's working.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,436
1 Jul 2011 #62
Tusk accuses European leaders of hypocrisy guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/01/polish-pm-european-leaders-hypocrisy

Poland's prime minister has accused western Europe's most powerful leaders of hypocrisy and myopia in the midst of what is being called the EU's worst crisis.

sobieski 107 | 2,128
1 Jul 2011 #63
Butt, you've been totally brainwashed by EUnuchs.

You do not even have an idea what Europe as a common idea means.
ender 5 | 398
1 Jul 2011 #64
How do you know you are not European.
alexw68
1 Jul 2011 #65
Tusk accuses European leaders of hypocrisy

Bloody hell. That is statesmanly stuff. Hugely impressive diagnosis. Who'd have thought it?

(The message is far too nuanced for the PiS lot to even understand, let alone critique. It is genuinely aimed at a pan-European audience, and not the opposition back home. Respec' to the Don!)

PS in a recent poll 80% of Poles supported EU membership. Now try and match that with Polish political parties' share of the vote and their pronouncements on Europe. Messy, isn't it?
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
1 Jul 2011 #66
It's disgusting, but what to expect from incompetent old maoists like Barrosso?

Oh we are angry about it....1,000s of jobs are being axed and services cut back..libraries shut down and hospitals struggling because inflationary costs are not being met..pensions being attacked..We are damaging ourselves day by day to ensure poorer nations PROSPER! WHY! The EEC worked, the EU does not! The protests in the last days are a start, the British public have had enough of that Barrosso he is a dirty self-severing Portuguese peasant who shouldnt be allowed a voice since his country is phukkin bankrupt! No wonder he wants more money from us!!!!!!!!!!

GET US OUT OF THIS MADNESS...
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
2 Jul 2011 #67
They would gain much more If there was free market instead of CAP.

Yes, and you'd see the Polish countryside fall even further behind. It's in a mess as it is (with most of the wealth coming from outside, rather than inside) - a free market would see the cities prosper while the 2 million peasants would...well...see their land bought for peanuts by big farmers.

Because as we all now, before 1st May 2004 Polish farmers used to starve to death daily.

The sheer poverty in the countryside during the 1990's is well documented. Even today, those without external sources of cash are doing pretty damn badly.
George8600 10 | 636
2 Jul 2011 #68
€80 billion isn't that much for a country like Poland.... Greece could have told you that with their politicians' NOM NOM NOM
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
3 Jul 2011 #69
More likely lose out badly since farming here isn't exactly efficient.

It is much more efficient than in western europe. Otherwise, how else would they be so successful on the common market despite being discriminated by EU with regard to the level of subsidies ?

One of the sillier things I've read here

I'm not surprised that you are not able to see long term effects of such investments... I will try to help you... Would building TGV in Somalia (paid by EU, UN...) really help people living there, would that develop the country ?

You do not even have an idea what Europe as a common idea means.

Please educate me, should be fun.

a free market would see the cities prosper while the 2 million peasants would...well...see their land bought for peanuts by big farmers.

And what the hell would be wrong with that !??? LOL ! This is exactly what I've been saying, EU slow down development of Poland. It freezes the overemployment in farming instead of letting it disappear naturally - something what happened in all modern countries decades ago.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
3 Jul 2011 #70
It is much more efficient than in western europe. Otherwise, how else would they be so successful on the common market despite being discriminated by EU with regard to the level of subsidies ?

Uh, only the big producers are successful - and that's because prices are lower.

Small producers? Forget about it - they're selling to local markets only, if at all. As for "discriminated against" - Poland agreed to it as part of the accession deal.

Please educate me, should be fun.

It means you don't have to queue your sorry ass on the German border for several hours.

And what the hell would be wrong with that !??? LOL ! This is exactly what I've been saying, EU slow down development of Poland. It freezes the overemployment in farming instead of letting it disappear naturally - something what happened in all modern countries decades ago.

Uh - what are you going to do with the inevitable 1.5 million unemployed then?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
3 Jul 2011 #71
I've just heard that the figure is to be 125b EURO. Buzek no doubt pulling some strings ;)
poland_
24 Nov 2012 #72
Merged: EU fund's are Poland's Marshall Plan according to R Sikorski

EU funds are Polands Marshall Plan according to R Sikorski, surely with EU 27 mostly in recession since 2007 and Poland not entering recession, it beggars belief Poland would expect to be one of the main benefactors of EU funds from 2014 onwards:

We are benefiting from EU funds, it is our Marshall Plan, Radoslaw Sikorski told the Financial Times, referring to the billions of dollars the United States lent Europe for post-WW II reconstruction.

Poland received 68 billion euro in the 2007-13 budget period and is seeking to maintain a European Commission proposal to set aside 376 billion euros for 'cohesion funds' in a draft seven-year budget totalling 1,033b billion.

Is the BRE financial report suggesting Poland will enter recession in Q1 2013, even though the IMF quotes Poland's will see growth of 2.5% in 2013.

Your thoughts?
Warszawette - | 128
24 Nov 2012 #73
Hi!

Sorry but Poland and the Poles have to understand that there is a serious crisis and that they cannot expect to be spoonfed for ever. It is high time that they realize that they need to work and not count on the others all the more as Poland and the Poles do not feel Europeans; they only see the UE as a milkcow. Furthermore, why should other countries feed Poland?
wibblywobbly - | 12
24 Nov 2012 #74
You think Greece is bad you aint seen nothing yet compared to when the EU turns of the monetary tap in Poland.

No way they can survive alone.
Warszawette - | 128
24 Nov 2012 #75
Sure Poland cannot survive alone but what bugs me is that most of them are so anti UE. May Poland stop spitting into the soup and realize that they need to roll their sleeves up and work and stop expecting others they despise (Poland should rather become a US state) to spoonfeed them. Poland pretends to be a "major" power but they cannot eat with others.

Stop the "daj mi" attitude! Western Europeans are fed up to pay and be insulted.
zetigrek
24 Nov 2012 #76
No offence but I haven't heard more cliche comment than yours so far. Can you tell us how an average Pole can "roll their sleeves up"? To do what? Work a work that there is not?

As for me I'm indifferent if Poland gets any EU funds.
wibblywobbly - | 12
24 Nov 2012 #77
Poland pretends to be a "major" power but they cannot eat with others.

Others ------ being established EU economies? economies that have had lots of practice, we would be foolish to assume they could. This isnt about Poland standing on its own two feet, this is about Poland becoming the EU's biatch.

Personally i'd like top see them try something different, but the political infrastructure is way beyond fcuked. Poland is fcuked, as they always have been.
Warszawette - | 128
24 Nov 2012 #78
Simply as that: Poland (government + citizens) have to understand that they cannot be sponsored by the West for ever and why should they???? If they want for instance extra metro lines and other infrustructures, they have to finance such expenses themselves (through tax and others).

Not only Western countries spoonfeeding Poland (and some others but Poland is the no.1 recipient) are having a deep crisis (and their populations are fed up to tighten their belts whereas their tax money leaves for Poland et al.) but also Poland does not feel European except from when it is time to get a cheque.

What strikes me is that Poles don't realize that money they receive comes from tax paid by foreigners.

If you don't mind it's simply because you are not among those who pay ;)

The "daj mi" needs to stop.... Aren't Poles ashamed to be seen as "beggars"? Why can't they have some pride? It beats me....
zetigrek
24 Nov 2012 #79
Simply as that: Poland (government + citizens) have to understand that they cannot be sponsored by the West for ever and why should they????

Who told you that the citizens don't understand that?!

If you don't mind it's simply because you are not among those who pay ;)

Hah, you don't know what I meant.
wibblywobbly - | 12
24 Nov 2012 #80
Aren't Poles ashamed to be seen as "beggars"? Why can't they have some pride? It beats me....

Societal brainwashing talking there mate. Pride has nothing to do with it. Its all about me, myself and I. From individuals to corporations to countries. Thats what the monetary system is all about, but keep talking like a clone - hopefully you'll have an individual thought at some point.

You aint part of the solution youre part of the problem.
Warszawette - | 128
24 Nov 2012 #81
Maybe you do but trust me most Poles don't. They seem to believe it comes from .... God! They don't realize that "Brussels" money = Western taxpayers.
zetigrek
24 Nov 2012 #82
Maybe you do but trust me most Poles don't.

No Warszawette, you don't know what the street thinks. Are you interested?
Warszawette - | 128
24 Nov 2012 #83
I happen to live in Poland and work with Poles and I can assure you that 90% think this way.
zetigrek
24 Nov 2012 #84
I happen to live in Poland

What a coincidence! I live there too! :)

I can assure you that 90% think this way.

What exactly they tell you? That's ineteresting.
TommyG 1 | 361
24 Nov 2012 #85
Not only Western countries spoonfeeding Poland (and some others but Poland is the no.1 recipient) are having a deep crisis (and their populations are fed up to tighten their belts

You know, if those people in those Western countries tightened their belts, stopped borrowing money they couldn't afford to pay back, and their govts stopped borrowing money they wouldn't be in the mess that they are in now. It's called living within your means, something a lot of people still do not understand:

The "daj mi" needs to stop

It only it had stopped in the 'West'...

I happen to live in Poland and work with Poles and I can assure you that 90% think this way.

You need to mix with a better crowd...
sobieski 107 | 2,128
24 Nov 2012 #86
and their govts stopped borrowing money they wouldn't be in the mess that they are in now.

European governments saved the greedy & criminal bastards called banks in 2007-2008. That is why we are in a mess.
poland_
25 Nov 2012 #87
As for me I'm indifferent if Poland gets any EU funds.

You may be indifferent Z, your government is not and EU funds have avoided Poland going into recession. The real question is , should PO just come straight out and admit there was no miracle domestic consumption cure in Poland it was purely EU funds triclking down. That said Poland has managed its EU funds well unlike some other countries. Polands leverage will always be it geographical location/borders and the fact the west needed a success story on its expansion program.
TommyG 1 | 361
25 Nov 2012 #88
European governments saved the greedy & criminal bastards called banks in 2007-2008. That is why we are in a mess.

I'm well aware of the govt's bailing out the banks. I am British after all.
But, the whole world is in debt. We as individuals need to sort our spending and borrow much less. That would have helped the situation. Don't you think?
Meathead 5 | 473
25 Nov 2012 #89
Sorry, but your comments about people living beyond their needs is complete hogwash. The problem with America and Europe is this nonsense of using cheap third world labor to maximize profits. When third world labor is used at the expense of a domestic workforce, (surprise!) no one has the money to purchase anything. In short they are cannibalizing their own markets, it's a zero sum game.
Ant63 13 | 410
25 Nov 2012 #90
Sorry, but your comments about people living beyond their needs is complete hogwash

Completely agree with you.


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