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Berlin terrorist attack -- Poland's ethnic homogeneity a true blessing


Harry
27 Dec 2016 #181
article 91 of the German constitution

You aren't having much luck with your attempts to understand what laws say. Firstly Germany doesn't have a Verfassung, it has a basic law. Secondly, article 91 deals with what Lands and the Federal government can do in the event of imminent danger to the existence or free democratic basic order of the Federation or Lands.

Therefore the whole thing is null and void

Wrong, as usual, that article deals with who can command the police and issue orders. It in no way covers what happens when international law conflicts with German basic law. Why don't you go and learn a little before posting here again?
mafketis 37 | 10,851
27 Dec 2016 #182
imminent danger to the existence or free democratic basic order of the Federation or Lands.

How would the arrival of billions of people (which your reading of the refugee act would not prevent) _not_ be an imminent danger to the existence of a free and democratic basic order.

And Merkels plea for pseudo refugees to come marching up through the balkans has absolutely created friction between the state of Bavaria (where they first showed up and the federal government).

That was just one million or so. How would GErmany ever survive the two billion refugees you think it woud be obliged to take in.

Merkel allowing a million unvetted migrants into her country is the worst political decision in the last 50 years in Europe. Why are you trying to pretend it's been anything but a disaster for all concerned?
Harry
27 Dec 2016 #183
_not_ be an imminent danger to the existence of a free and democratic basic order.

Yawn. Whether it would or world not be in no way changes what article 91 says, i.e. not what you tried to claim it says.

Merkels plea for pseudo refugees to come marching up through the balkans

Any chance you can quote her making that plea, or are we yet again seeing you try to deal with reality being the exact opposite of what you want it to be by simply claiming that reality is not what it is? You've already claimed Merkel invited refugees to Germany when she didn't, and you've claimed that an article of the non-existent German constitution says something that number article of the German basic law doesn't say, are you now claiming Merkel pleaded for refugees to come when in reality she didn't?
mafketis 37 | 10,851
27 Dec 2016 #184
Whether it would or world not be

You don't think that two billion people showing up in Germany and claiming to be refugees would be a threat to Germany's existence? You're demented.

For whatever reason Merkel wanted the non-refugees (every single one of whom passed through numerous safe countries before arriving in Germany).

Now one of Merkel's pets has murdered a Polish citizen and a dozen other people and you're quibbling about whether she ever used the word "invite". How many more people wil have to be murdered before you admit her policy was a failure and that Poland should not enable it by accepting her ersatz refugees?

the non-existent German constitution

The don't call it a constitution but it functions as one and the body that judges whether legislation is in accordance with the Basic Law is called the Federal Constitutional Court (Bundesverfassungsgericht). So that is really splitting hairs.
Lyzko 45 | 9,508
27 Dec 2016 #185
Maf is technically right about not having allowed the present mess to have spun out of control in the first place. Merkel's between a rock and a hard place; she'd damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't! Either she gives in to Bachmann, Petry and others from the far right, or, turns her back on those who desperately need the help of a rich, industrial nation.
mafketis 37 | 10,851
27 Dec 2016 #186
or, turns her back on those who desperately need the help of a rich, industrial nation.

But what right do Moroccans or Pakistanis or Tunisians (like the truck driver) have to claim refugee status? Even Iraqis and Afghanis have no real claim to refugee status.

IT's not Germany's job to fix the scores of countries with dysfunctional governments, atrophied social norms and terrible education.
Lyzko 45 | 9,508
27 Dec 2016 #187
Maf, maybe the long-dead Nazi past is long dead to you as well as others, but to Merkel and her generation it's present on a daily basis and her way is to try to care for all the sort of people HER people tried to murder a mere seventy plus years back:-)

I agree that they have no right to acquire refugee status, same as here in the States. That still doesn't change matters, I'm afraid!
Crnogorac3 4 | 800
27 Dec 2016 #188
Either she gives in to Bachmann, Petry and others from the far right, or, turns her back on those who desperately need the help of a rich, industrial nation.

It was only logical to expect that among the millions of Muslim migrants who are ilegally passing through EU broder crossings without any valid ID's or documents, that ISIS would send disguised among them thousands of it's terrorists who would be ready to carry out attacks on major European cities and targets at a moment's notice. These are not even real refugees who usually seek shelter from any war zone in the first neghbouring country instead the vast majority of them are composed of men aged between 18 to 35, they should be refered to as economic migrants who want to live off of social welfare and benefits in Scandinavian countries and Germany.
mafketis 37 | 10,851
27 Dec 2016 #189
That's something Merkel actually did say, for those of us who do care what people did and didn't say.

Who cares what she says when they can't actually return them? North African countries are notorious for not cooperating in the return of undesirables like the Christmas truck driver whose crime you think is no big deal.

It can be quickly established hat someone is not a real refugee but then since they've destroyed their documents and their own countries don't want them back (because they're criminals) Germany is stuck with them.

That is a seriously screwed up system and one that Poland absolutly should no participate in.
Lyzko 45 | 9,508
27 Dec 2016 #190
II can't realistically argue with that statement.
Harry
27 Dec 2016 #191
the Christmas truck driver whose crime you think is no big deal.

Care to quote me saying any such thing, or are you again just making up what people say to suit what you want them to say?

North African countries are notorious for not cooperating in the return of undesirables

In which case it needs to be made clear to such countries what their obligations are and that refusal will have consequences (blacklisting those close to the leaders of the countries from entry to the EU might do the trick).

That is a seriously screwed up system and one that Poland absolutly should no participate in.

Poland has already signed up for the international treaties on refugees. If you want to live in a country which refuses to honour its obligations, I suggest you migrate to one of those countries.
mafketis 37 | 10,851
27 Dec 2016 #192
Care to quote me saying any such thing

You clearly don't think it reflects badly on Merkel's refugee policy (or the outdated, irrelevant international law on refugees).

If you want to live in a country which refuses to honour its obligations

Depends on what the obligations are and how they were entered into. Poland had a whole bunch of obligations to the USSR it was able to walk away from. That was a very good thing.
Harry
27 Dec 2016 #193
You clearly don't think it reflects badly on Merkel's refugee policy

Care to quote me saying that, or have you just completely given up even making any pretence of telling the truth about what people say?

If what Merkel has actually called for had come about, that truck driver wouldn't have been in Germany, but of course it's too much to expect you to tell the truth about what people say.
Crnogorac3 4 | 800
27 Dec 2016 #194
rt.com/news/363890-iraqi-refugee-rape-austria

Iraqi refugee who raped 10yo boy at Austrian swimming pool has conviction overturned

The High Court in Austria has overturned the sentence of the Iraqi migrant who raped a ten year old boy at the swimming pool in Austria last year under the reason the migrant did not understand that the boy said no because he did not understand the language...

I ask you in what disturbed West do we live in, every time I hear so-called European values ​​come to be mentioned I feel like only vomitting. Always they see Fascism, well have you wondered that maybe this is Marxist Liberal Fascism ?? My people what is this, that even they close their eyes over the rape of a child for the ideology.

thesun.co.uk/news/2110214/vladimir-putin-europe-failing-defend-children-refugee-cleared-raping-boy-10-sexual-emergency

I believe there is not a single man on these boards who will not agree with the statement of Vladimir Putin that a society which does not protect it's own children has no future.
Bieganski 17 | 888
27 Dec 2016 #195
Poland's ethnic homogeneity will be irreversibly disrupted if the EU imposed a lingua franca like English across the bloc for conducting business and enforced it with penalties. This would definitely attract more inward migration from non-Polish cultures.

It will also be thrown into disarray should Poland ever become more feminized via the steely PC SJW death grip of unaccountable militant feminism as seen in places like the UK, Sweden and Germany which are more interested in hollow ideological leftist virtue signaling than sustaining, growing and bringing benefits to their historical native populations.
johnny reb 50 | 7,389
27 Dec 2016 #196
Whoe Gentleman !
Two of the best posts in this thread all day !

hollow ideological leftist virtue

That is the true blessing Poland has is to see through these lies of the Liberals "Progressive Thinking" in order to keep Poland's ethnic culture Polish.

My admiration to Poland.
sirena
27 Dec 2016 #197
this thread scares me, it truly does.
I thought that Poland, due to the mentioned "homogeneity" and, well, mentality and culture, was a good country to go and live in since Germany, where my family has worked for 40+ years, has become a failed state.

It's no longer safe here, not in the middle of the day, not even in small villages. Police is little to no help.
It's like living in a warzone, except no one is defending the civilians.
Everyone seems like brainwashed or braindead.

I was hoping that it'd be different in Poland, but reading this thread, I see the same attitude in many posts as in the rest of Europe-

ignoring reality, apologizing lawless behaviour, arguing that somehow because of WWII, we should all let ourselves be killed.

If this mindset is prevalent in Poland too, I guess I'd better look for a different country to be my new home, preferably outside of Europe, where the natives still value their lives more than political correctness.
peterweg 37 | 2,309
27 Dec 2016 #198
Poland's ethnic homogeneity will be irreversibly disrupted if the EU imposed a lingua franca like English across the bloc for conducting business and enforced it with penalties

Poland would be irreversibly disrupted if a 15km comet landed on top of it, a far more likely event than imposing a language used by less than 1% of the EU population.
Crnogorac3 4 | 800
27 Dec 2016 #199
youtube.com/watch?v=TF9cemgkUeQ

Dr. Srdja Trifkovic - Political Correctness is the Communism of the 21st Century

Serbian intellectual says Western World Now MORE Tyranical Than Communist Eastern Europe

In essence he is saying that although the system's apparatus under Communism was a police state, the people themselves remained relatively unscathed by indoctrination to Political Correctness. - In the Western World indoctrination to Political Correctness is so insidious and subtle, that it appears everywhere and on all levels of consciousness from birth:

In the media, in academia, in politics, in advertising, ect, ect, ect and that therefore Western people are psychologically sensitized to respond to certain emotional stimuli in a way which the peoples of the East under Communism were not, thus giving rise to a police state of mass hysteria and collective political psychosis.
Bieganski 17 | 888
27 Dec 2016 #200
That is the true blessing Poland has is to see through these lies of the Liberals "Progressive Thinking" in order to keep Poland's ethnic culture Polish.

Yes, the declining and failing multiculti states serve as a great warning to Poles that their "progressive" ideals are in fact delusions:



But this is not to say that Poland is impervious. When Poles migrated in previous eras they tended to settle permanently elsewhere. Back then this could be attributed to limited and expensive transportation. Additionally, the ravages of war, the descent of the Iron Curtain, and then the shock-therapy to the economy needed to throw off the shackles of communism were all push factors of outward migration for successive generations of Poles who were faced with little or no prospects of returning.

But today as Poland's economy has become more robust and transportation is quick and cheap there are now means and incentive not just for new non-Polish migrants but also Polonia living abroad to return to Poland. For those who have lived and work in the aforementioned militant feminist states there is a danger that such Poles will have become inculcated with leftist multiculti sentiments and bring them back to Poland in the mistaken belief that the failures they witnessed abroad couldn't possibly be replicated back in Poland.
Bieganski 17 | 888
27 Dec 2016 #201
In the Western World indoctrination to Political Correctness is so insidious and subtle, that it appears everywhere and on all levels of consciousness from birth

And Political Correctness rose in tandem with the divisive ideology of feminism. Feminism only exists for its own sake while marching under the false banner of "equality". Wherever the evil of feminism takes root it seeks to destroy the very values and norms which they and others in society have benefited from for millennia. This is why unaccountable feminazis rabidly scream they would rather be raped by an illegal migrant than protected by their very own countrymen. Feminists have no loyalty but to their own ideology and will go out of their way to silence anyone who challenges their ascendant status quo.
mafketis 37 | 10,851
27 Dec 2016 #202
If what Merkel has actually called for had come about, that truck driver wouldn't have been in Germany

And if she had called for purple fairy unicorns to be issued to all citizens then that would have been about as realistic as what she did call for.

If she doesn't realize that then she's either mentally ill (and unfit for office) or stupid (and unfit for office).

There is no other option.

I was hoping that it'd be different in Poland, but reading this thread, I see the same attitude in many posts as in the rest of Europe-

Don't believe what you read here. Almost no one in Poland supports Merkel's failed policy. Poles are very much into cultural survival when push comes to shove and not like your gutless countrymen (too bad, there's a lot to like in Germany, but Germans aren't willing to stand up for their own culture).
OP Polonius3 990 | 12,349
27 Dec 2016 #203
what the word 'any' means

Does "any" include terrorists posing as asylum-seekers, does it require states to open their borders to limitless invading refugee hordes and not require them to obey the law, work for a living and pay taxes but live on taxpayer-funded benefits?

How about the exact quotes relevant to those issues? Referring people to some Art. 67, paragraph 12, subpoints a,b and x is for the birds.
OP Polonius3 990 | 12,349
28 Dec 2016 #204
ilegally passing through EU broder

The mistake made by receiving countries was to allow anonymous, document-less individuals into the EU. Many refugees/migrants deliberately discarded documents thinking that would facilitate their quest. The EU or individual EU countries should have turned back undocumented travellers at the border. Only those with legitimate travel documents inlcuding fingerprints and ideally DNA indication would qualify for further vetting, not automatic entry.
mafketis 37 | 10,851
28 Dec 2016 #205
ly those with legitimate travel documents inlcuding fingerprints and ideally DNA indication would qualify for further vetting, not automatic entry.

Okay, that's a stretch. If they could provide that there would probably be no need to leave their countries..

One problem was a lack of qualified Arabic interpreters (Arabic and Turkish are vastly understudied in Europe). Typically they rely on semi-trained bilingualish people. But... the translators were required to translate what people said and not allowed to give their own judgements so they couldn't point out that the guy claiming to be from Syria had a strong North African accent (Arabic accents are very distinct to fluent/native users).
Harry
28 Dec 2016 #206
Does "any" include terrorists posing as asylum-seekers

Nope, as Article 1 makes clear. In fact it doesn't even apply to people for whom there are "serious reasons for considering that" he's a terrorist.

not require them to obey the law

Why not read before spouting off? Here's Article 2 for you:

Every refugee has duties to the country in which he finds himself, which require in particular that he conform to its laws and regulations as well as to measures taken for the maintenance of public order.

work for a living and pay taxes but live on taxpayer-funded benefits?

Actually, the Convention devotes a number of Articles to the right to work.

Perhaps you'd care to have a read of the Convention? You'd clearly learn a few things: unhcr.org/uk/3b66c2aa10
johnny reb 50 | 7,389
28 Dec 2016 #207
Perhaps you'd care to have a read of the Convention?

Perhaps you'd care to elaborate on the Sharia Law in London ?

LONDON -- Stoning for adultery. Amputations for theft. Death for apostates.
And second-class status for Christians and Jews.This is life under Sharia law, the Islamic system practiced in countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Great Britain.

Yes, Great Britain.
There are reportedly some 85 Sharia courts now operating there, with Islamic judges ruling on cases ranging from financial to marital disputes among British Muslims."We went into some proceedings and there were a couple of Islamic judges sitting up above the rest," said Alan Craig, who recently stepped down as leader of the Christian Peoples Alliance party.

I doubt heavily with Poland's ethnic homogeneity and lack of Political Correctness that Poland would allow this b.s. to occur in the Polish Courts which is a blessing in keeping Poland Polish.
Harry
28 Dec 2016 #208
Sharia Law in London ?

Sharia law in the UK can be used only in exactly the same way that it can be used here in Poland and in the USA: as binding arbitration between parties, and even then only to the extent permitted by law. Religious courts have been in use in the UK and Poland for centuries and hopefully will continue to be used as they are now.

LONDON -- Stoning for adultery. Amputations for theft. Death for apostates.

If any of those sentences were to be carried out in the UK, they would be completely illegal, just as they would be in Poland. But don't let facts get in the way of your trolling.
johnny reb 50 | 7,389
28 Dec 2016 #209
that it can be used here in Poland and in the USA

I wasn't aware that Poland or the U.S.A. has Sharia laws that supersede their laws.
Perhaps you could fill us in on those that do ?

they would be completely illegal,

Perhaps you could enlighten us about wife beating, marrying under aged girls, denying women the freedom of movement in public, dening women to divorce an abusive husband, etc. ?

Perhaps you could tell us if Poland allows those things in their court system ?

Poland's culture is a cut above that ancient b.s. and you know it Har.
Perhaps you would like to tell us if you have ever been wrong ?
Harry
28 Dec 2016 #210
I wasn't aware that Poland or the U.S.A. has Sharia laws that supersede their laws.

They do not, just as the UK does not. What all three countries have (and have had in the case of Poland and the UK for centuries, and for more than a century in your younger country) are religious courts which act as binding arbitration between parties, provided that the rulings do not violate national law.

Perhaps you could tell us if Poland allows those things in their court system ?

I'd be more than happy to, just post your request in a relevant thread.

Poland's culture is a cut above that ancient b.s. and you know it Har.

I'd need to double check to be 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure that Poland has had religious courts for longer than the UK has.


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