Polish baby boom, but not in Poland

peterweg 37 | 2305

20 May 2012 / #1

Polish baby boom, but not in Poland

Polish women are born abroad, says "Gazeta Wyborcza". Nearly 21 thousand. Polish children were born last year in England and Wales. This is an average of up to 57 babies a day.

In 2010, the Poles gave the world many children from all minority groups in Britain (19.7 thous.), Followed by Pakistani occupying the first place so far.

The Polish are leaving mostly young. But age is not the only factor determining the number of births in the Polish community. What is important is the standard of living - higher than in Poland and the second highest in Europe.

In the UK, now living about 850 thousand. Poles. In 2014, the country will have about 200 thousand. Polish children.

"GW" in the article "Baby boom ..." shows the British social conditions conducive to increasing population.

PennBoy 76 | 2429

20 May 2012 / #2

Well if the Polish embassy in London says 850 thousand Poles now reside in the UK it's easy to understand.

gdyniaguy 1 | 281

20 May 2012 / #3

All these Poles born in England. Another TUSk success story!!!

Wroclaw Boy

20 May 2012 / #4

But Krakows booming.....right weg?

In the UK, now living about 850 thousand. Poles.

at least that article has something of a more credible number, i would estimate well over a million personally.

OP peterweg 37 | 2305

20 May 2012 / #5

at least that article has something of a more credible number, i would estimate well over a million personally.

Right, because apparently you have your own census organization, will that be part of your economic analysis department and pay-check verifying company?

Located in The Sun Don't Shine Alley?

Wroclaw Boy

20 May 2012 / #6

because apparently you have your own census organization

Step into the real world weg, Poles dont fill out census forms.

OP peterweg 37 | 2305

20 May 2012 / #7

I'm quite aware you won't actually have an source of valid information.

Wroclaw Boy

20 May 2012 / #8

what is valid these days?

How many Poles would you estimate in the UK?

OP peterweg 37 | 2305

21 May 2012 / #9

How many Poles would you estimate in the UK?

I'd prefer to look at official figures rather than use your method of making it up as you go along, aka useless guesswork.

Hipis - | 226

21 May 2012 / #10

All these Poles born in England. Another TUSk success story!!!

I was born in England too but that was more down to Churchill and Attlee.

Wroclaw Boy could be right with his figures because there's still a lot of people around from the initial post war generation and their children, me being one of them, so add those to the 2004 onwards immigrants then the number is easily over a million.

FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1878

21 May 2012 / #11

Wroclaw Boy could be right with his figures because there's still a lot of people around from the initial post war generation and their children, me being one of them, so add those to the 2004 onwards immigrants then the number is easily over a million.

I'd also be curious as to how many are part-timers like seasonal workers, doctors that fly in and out, etc.

Wroclaw Boy

21 May 2012 / #12

I'd prefer to look at official figures rather than use your method of making it up as you go along, aka useless guesswork.

OK and which official figure would that be? there are a few. I'll ask again how many Poles in the UK?

Ever placed a bet weg? or is there not enough official data?

sa11y 5 | 331

21 May 2012 / #13

Poles dont fill out census forms

They don't need to. Inland Revenue will have most updated information - as all Poles would either work or claim some sort of benefits (hoping that the first is more prevalent...). There would be some grey area, but this would be short term workers who can't be bothered to sort out their paperwork, I wouldn't think it's a big number.

hudsonhicks 21 | 346

21 May 2012 / #14

Might have something to do with Free NHS, Child Benefit and Child Tax Credits.

Just a guess :)

OP peterweg 37 | 2305

21 May 2012 / #15

Just a guess :)

Indeed. Of course the health system is free here to.

FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1878

21 May 2012 / #16

Socialized.

Nothing is free.

hudsonhicks 21 | 346

21 May 2012 / #17

Seen as the vast majority of the 100 Billion £ NHS Budget is paid for by British people, working in Britain, using British resources and Infrastructure -

For the Polish Nation in Exile, it basically is free.

OP peterweg 37 | 2305

21 May 2012 / #18

For the Polish Nation in Exile, it basically is free.

Tax payers contributing to the British economy.

Seen as the vast majority of the 100 Billion £ NHS Budget is paid for by British people, working in Britain, using British resources and Infrastructure -

The vast majority will be used by the elderly, who are British

hudsonhicks 21 | 346

21 May 2012 / #19

Tax payers contributing to the British economy.

What little tax they contribute, they take STRAIGHT back in Tax Credits, Child Benefit, Council housing.

Hipis - | 226

21 May 2012 / #20

Are they giving away council houses somehwere?

Is it just Polish workers who claim tax credits and receive child benefit or are the Indian, Chinese, Irish, French, British etc etc not entitled to them?

hudsonhicks 21 | 346

21 May 2012 / #21

Is it just Polish workers who claim tax credits and receive child benefit or are the Indian, Chinese, Irish, French, British etc etc not entitled to them?

As far as im concerned the only people who should have financial aid for low-income are BRITISH-BORN people. This is the United Kingdom after all.

Hipis - | 226

21 May 2012 / #22

And as far as I'm concerned the only people who should get assistance are those who have contributed to the system regardless of where they have come from.

gdyniaguy 1 | 281

22 May 2012 / #23

People should have to live and work in a country for a minimum 5 years in order to qualify for any state handouts...end of!

sa11y 5 | 331

22 May 2012 / #24

BRITISH-BORN people

That's a bit extreme - what about people who happened to be born outside Britain but have the citizenship? Would you exclude them?

southern 73 | 7059

22 May 2012 / #25

Do all these children have both parents polish?

gdyniaguy 1 | 281

15 Jun 2012 / #26

Or do they have a normal gene pool?

teflcat 5 | 1024

15 Jun 2012 / #27

Nearly 21 thousand. Polish children were born last year in England and Wales

Oh no. In a few years they'll be on PF telling me they're 100% pure Polish and how dare I have an opinion about their motherland!

delphiandomine 86 | 17823

15 Jun 2012 / #28

And no doubt telling us all how they would move back to Poland now, but..but..always an excuse ;)

milky 13 | 1656

15 Jun 2012 / #29

All these Poles born in England. Another TUSk success story!!!

.exactly,,they must be there because Poland is booming.lol How can a country be booming, and at the same time have mass emigration?

Ant63 13 | 410

16 Jun 2012 / #30

I'm quite aware you won't actually have an source of valid information

You know people have eyes. Check out the car washes and such like.

Nearly 21 thousand. Polish children were born last year in England and Wales

Wow thats a lot of babies and a lot of trouble in the pipeline with International divorce and child abduction.

I wonder why so many of them make a Polish passport a first stop. Surely it would be more sensible to get a UK passport for these children for the benefits it gives them and pick up a Polish one later in the unlikely event thay might need one.