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An article: NATO is the American occupation of Poland and Europe, by Mateusz Piskorski


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15 Jan 2016  #1

i would like to share this wise article with community here.

Voltaire Network | Varsaw (Poland) | 29 October 2015
voltairenet.org/article189087.html

The Atlantic Alliance has no reason to be, observed former Polish MP Mateusz Piskorski under History. It merely defends US interests and violating the sovereignty of its member states. Can we get out?
The presence of Poland in NATO is justified dogmatically, necessarily using the belief in a constant external threat for the continued functioning of this alliance.


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16 Jan 2016  #2

For your information:
Mateusz Piskorski is the leader of the openly pro-Putin party Zmiana (Change). He and his pals created a fake KOD facebook page which claims to be "the" KOD page and confuses people. Mateusz Piskorski advocates leaving EU, NATO etc. and joining Russia's Eurasian Union. He's a slavic nationalist. He also claimed the Crimea (Krym) referendum which made it join Russian Federation was completely legit.

People like Mateusz Piskorski are tracked by the fb page "Rosyjska V kolumna w Polsce" (Russian Fifth Column in Poland)
facebook.com/Rosyjska-V-kolumna-w-Polsce-218251225011751/
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16 Jan 2016  #3

I don't know too much about Réseau Voltaire but I know that they have become famous for putting the responsability for the NY's 9.11 attacks on the US government. They also regularly come up with rather "exotic" "ideas".

Once again, BEWARE of what is found on the net! Some people here are specialized to copy-paste any bs they can find on the net. It is not because it is on the net that it is true....

I must admit that I don't follow the political crisis now in Poland (am also not interested) but when I have read "Réseau Voltaire", I came up with "uwaga", it is nothing less than pure bullsh@@t.
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16 Jan 2016  #4

famous for putting the responsability for the NY's 9.11 attacks on the US government. They also regularly come up with rather "exotic" "ideas".

Why famous? Who knows them by the way?
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16 Jan 2016  #5

Mateusz Piskorski advocates leaving EU, NATO etc. and joining Russia's Eurasian Union.

and so? Man has his opinion. Poland is free country

Poland would anyway leave EU and NATO. Polish and Russian interests on this perfectly overlap. After that, there would be Intermarium around Poland. By then, brat Mateusz Piskorski would probably switch on some more convenient political option.

We Serbians needs to work on Poles and Russians intensely. you are all crazy. You should all be more cool.

There are things where Polish and Russian interests overlap and things where interests differ. Now, different interests doesn`t mean hostility.
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16 Jan 2016  #6

and so? Man has his opinion. Poland is free country

Free since it left the Warsaw Pact (it was never formally a member of Soviet Union).

I'm normally against personal attacks, but everything Mateusz Piskorski says should be viewed in the context of his pro-Russia agenda. He's very devoted to his cause. You only have to look past Poland's eastern border to see how beneficial "alliances" with Russia are. Warsaw Pact era Poland was more known for its absurd happy-sad comedies than prosperity.
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16 Jan 2016  #7

Free since it left the Warsaw Pact (it was never formally a member of Soviet Union).

sane yes but, not free since ended squeezed by legs of EU (ie western Europe).

But, it would be better when Serbians fall between the legs of EU. You Poles are lucky that we coming to join.
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16 Jan 2016  #8

You Poles are lucky that we coming to join.

Serbia is going to join the EU ?
Great, that will expand NATO !
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16 Jan 2016  #9

Great, that will expand NATO!

Jaap de Hoop Scheffer NATO Secretary General in 2003: NATO troops have to guard pipelines that transport oil and gas that is directed for the West, and more generally to protect sea routes used by tankers and other 'crucial infrastructure' of the energy system. From Wikipedia.

Why NATO do exist after Soviet Uninon collapsed? Before it collapsed the official explanation for NATO's existence was to defend west aginst the hords from the east. Since early 90s there is no Soviet Union and what happend - NATO expanded. Now the official mission of NATO, as put by NATO Secretery Genaral, is to control the global energy system: that is to control the world. You saw this in Kosovo and Serbia in 1999 and in Iraq in 2003.[/i]

Why to be so overexcited by this U.S.-run global intervention force - I do not understand.
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16 Jan 2016  #10

Why to be so overexcited by this U.S.-run global intervention force - I do not understand.

Firstly I was just teasing Crow with his continuous propaganda and badgering.
Secondly when global countries are threatened they always turn to the U.S. for protection.
Any other time they are calling the U.S. names.
Putin makes statements that he is capable of destroying America in 30 minutes concerns me.

Now the official mission of NATO, as put by NATO Secretery Genaral, is to control the global energy system: that is to control the world.

Correct, control the food, you control the people.
You control the oil, you control the country.
They call it world economics.
Who would you rather be in control of the of the world between the two, NATO or Putin ?
dolnoslask  
16 Jan 2016  #11

Johnny, " always turn to the U.S. for protection" Yeah like the support we got in Yalta,
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16 Jan 2016  #12

Who would you rather be in control of the of the world between the two, NATO or Putin ?

At the end of the Cold War, Russia reduced its network of foreign military bases, but through several rounds of Base Realignment and Closure, the U.S. increased its numbers.

Russia is not a match and will not be a match for the USA.
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16 Jan 2016  #13

Serbia is going to join the EU ?

if by some miracle, deal between world powers such are USA, Vatican, China and Russia decide that EU survive, Capital of EU would be Belgrade, not Brussels. That`s just how it could only work, at least for some time. Brussels is deaf for any interests outside of western Europe, while is Belgrade... well, Belgrade is Belgrade.

But, i more incline to conclusion that EU rapidly losing reasons for existence and that would on the ruins of EU emerge Intermarium and some new western European conglomerate.

No comment about Poland?
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17 Jan 2016  #14

Disband NATO just because Russia says so ? NATO was formed to keep USSR in check, and Russian Federation is much the same thing - a country with strong imperial ambitions. Putin gets lots of support for the Crimea and Donbas attacks, and for his proclamations to rebuild the Soviet empire. Therefore, existence of NATO is more than justified. A whole bunch of countries don't want to be Russian colonies.
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17 Jan 2016  #15

existence of NATO is more than justified

The justification: NATO troops have to guard pipelines that transport oil and gas that is directed for the West, and more generally to protect sea routes used by tankers and other 'crucial infrastructure' of the energy system.

Jaap de Hoop Scheffer NATO Secretary General in 2003
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17 Jan 2016  #16

The justification: NATO troops have to guard pipelines that transport oil and gas

But that keeps Russia in check, so that's good.
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17 Jan 2016  #17

If Poland and Poles giving signals that wants independence and that wants to form Intermarium, that on the long run, exclude Polish EU and NATO membership. That has absolutely nothing with Russia. Sure, it is good if interests of Poland, from time to time, overlap with those of other global centers such are China, Russia, Brazil, India,.. Even Japan announced that wants to abandon USA sphere of influence and to take its place in emerging multi-polar world.

So, crucial question is what Poland want. To be assimilated by Anglo-Germanic civilization. Or, to become center of one global civilization- center of Intermarium. You Poles want Intermarium, forget NATO and forget EU, on the long run. Learn to exist in multi-polar world or perish in assimilation. Are you brave enough to be responsible enough to be able to survive and prosper?
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17 Jan 2016  #18

@Crow: what is your f...g obsession with your intermar thing???? Nobody does speak about it in Poland (and elsewhere). I suppose that in Serbia you guys are as much brainwashed as they are in North Korea. I feel like vomiting when reading (now I don't any longer) your 24X7 propaganda. I also supppose that kids are brainwashed from birth on and that there is no opposition (killed or at best, in labor camps) in Serbia. Unbelievalbe!
pweeg3  
17 Jan 2016  #19

Ignore him, he's bonkers.
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17 Jan 2016  #20

Thank you. i think that all who oppose to western Europe and USA must be crazy. That`s what i think when have moments of sanity.

So, speaking of my country its 90% crazy. Its glad to me to see that is Poland at least 50% crazy.

i know but see how they react. They feel sick even on thought about Poland`s independence.
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17 Jan 2016  #21

This idea is crazy. Poland currently can't build anything close to Intermarium because it's pretty weak. You need a strong state, like Germany, to form a lasting alliance around it. The moment Poland leaves EU and NATO is the moment Russia decides to defend its minority in Poland. And by 'defend', they mean' attack'.
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17 Jan 2016  #22

The 3 lines above sum up perfectly well the mentality of "democrats". I bet your daddy served Soviets, now you serve EUnuchs because that's just your slave mentality. You need to serve someone.

The moment Poland leaves EU and NATO is the moment Russia decides to defend its minority in Poland.

And the moment Poland leaves the Warsaw Pacts, German revisionists are going to attack...
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17 Jan 2016  #23

served Soviets

You mean like half of the PiS government?
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17 Jan 2016  #24

You need to serve someone.

This is general complex in Slavic countries from Baltic to Balkan, Ukraine via Central Europe. To serve someone. There are our people who don`t feel alive if don`t serve. i understand that. Pressure is or rather was just high.

Time for changes
whocares  
18 Jan 2016  #25

Mateusz Piskorski he has some things right especially about NATO.

Many foreigner Russophobes and propagandists like to label him as a "Putinist".
Just because you favor improving relations with Russia doesnt make one a "Putinist.

I would leave EU, create that Intermarum (expand Visegrad) thing, improve relations with neighbours (including Rus), get some nukes from anyone to protect the alliance and then leave NATO.

Would drive the PO fanatics and imperialists insane :)
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18 Jan 2016  #26

The presence of Poland in NATO is justified dogmatically, necessarily using the belief in a constant external threat for the continued functioning of this alliance.

Hit in ten! NATO serves USA first and foremost, in all operations Americans take charge, dictate what targets are to be, where and when. It not only violates the sovereignty of member states it violates the rights of other nations where NATO's encroachment becomes unjustified like it was in the case of Serbia and Kosovo. NATO is just an extension of American police force.

Merged: American spies should be ordered to leave Poland immediately

I will not mention the ews as I am not allowed but we all know what I mean. Americans **** off from Poland, get your grabby hands off my country!
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29 Jan 2016  #27

Merged: Obama praises Polish "righteous"

Washington's Israeli Embassy was recently the scene of a ceremony at which four people, including a Polish married couple, were honored for saving Jews during World War II. Walery and Maryla Zbijewski concealed in their home a five-year-old Jewish girl who had been smuggled out of the Warsaw ghetto. Attending the ceremony was President Barack Obama who said: "We hear their stories and are forced to ask ourselves: under the same circumstances how would we act. Would we show the love Walery and Maryla did. They could have been shot for opening their home to a five-year-old girl." Elżbieta Wilk, the little girl saved by the Zbijewskis, was also in attendance. So far Poles have received over 6,500 Righteous Among Nations awards, more than any other country.
dolnoslask  
29 Jan 2016  #28

To be honest Pol I thought about mentioning this too, but all that happens on PF is that anything positive about Poland is automatically shot down in a hail of polish concentration camps and accusations of capitulation with the Nazis and the Soviets.

But I am glad to see that after so many years the brave Polish citizen hero's of WWII are still being honored today.
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29 Jan 2016  #29

has no reason to be

Aside from the fact that Piskorski is a neo-Nazi nutcake who once belonged to Lepper's Samo-Obrona, what alterantive is there to NATO? There was talk about the EU creating a European armed force, but we can all imagine what a mamby-pamby, ragtag, homo-friendly army that would be, further emascualted by the many soft on Moscow Russophiles. NATO may not be perfect, but there is no other equally reliable alternative!
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29 Jan 2016  #30

After that, there would be Intermarium around Poland.

Intermarium.
In Lithuania, Poland is liked as much as devil in Częstochowa. (hint: hated). This is partially because Poland is still trying to polonize Lithuania.

Czech Republic - Czechs dislike Poland, for example because it cooperated with Nazi Germany just before WW2 and captured some Czech land. Czechs also call Poles crude and arrogant. While Czechs may share Poles' general dislike of refugees and foreigners, they would never accept Polish hegemony in the region.

Ukraine - love it or hate it, many Ukrainians dislike Poles and feel Poland betrayed Ukrainian cause (independence). Those sentiments are especially common in western Ukraine. As for the eastern parts, those are far from Poland, close to Russian Federation and therefore easy to shower with Russian propaganda.

Serbia - if you ask a Polish high school kid, he will say: "Where is Serbia ?"
Hungary - far from the geopolitical crashzone. When Russia attempts to expand west, it doesn't need to go through Hungary, but through Poland. That's why Hungary can afford to get in bed with Russia.

So, Crow. Do explain how is Poland supposed to improve its relations with Lithuania, Czech Republic and Ukraine ? Those are Poland's neighbors who dislike Poland quite a lot. How is Poland supposed to find common interests with countries like these, especially Serbia and Hungary ? Intermarium won't stick if it has no reason to stick. And what's the reason to keep it ? Sweden is a better case, because we do share geopolitical interests with Sweden, but the two countries are VERY different. Sweden prides itself as a leftist, inclusive, diverse, feminist (...) state.

It's really sad PiS is promoting the idea of Intermarium, because it has no future.




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