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Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?


Dougpol1 26 | 2,152    
23 Oct 2018  #61
celebrate freedom from foreign rule.

You are moving back closer to Russia. Oh wait! The "Three Seas" is your future....
Lol ******* Lol.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,183    
23 Oct 2018  #62
A lot of Indians are the biggest racists out there

@Dougpol1

Thats it Doug now pick on the Indians a people you subjugated to imperialist rule, you don't like them because they too fought for independence the same as the Irish, (Who may also be getting an independence day to celebrate their freedom from Britain).

The first world war was a window of opportunity for Poland to overthrow the shackles of imperialism, while Imperialist Britain, France and Germany were fighting over their place at the trough, Pilsudski seized this moment to throw off the shackles.

So far in your book .

Poles are racist
Indians are racist.

Anymore to add to the list, any from colonies that you have lost or been kicked out of, Americans 4th July ?

You are moving back closer to Russia.

you mean back to the ones YOU sold us out to at Yalta.
Dougpol1 26 | 2,152    
23 Oct 2018  #63
the Indians a people you subjugated to imperialist rule, you don't like them

No, it is Polish immigrants to the Uk who don't like Indians.
You know that full well. A lot of Poles think they are superior to their Asian neighbours for some odd reason.
It's called blatant racism.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,183    
23 Oct 2018  #64
No, it is Polish immigrants to the Uk who don't like Indians.

Total rubbish how many years ago did you live in Britain, In those days it was the brits who looked down on Jamaicans Indians, Irish and Poles.

Now get back on topic
Dougpol1 26 | 2,152    
23 Oct 2018  #65
while Imperialist Britain, France and Germany were fighting over their place at the trough, Pilsudski seized this moment to throw off the shackles.

Agreed! We know that many British diplomats of the time did not want to allow Poland to regain their sovereignty. That part of history was utterly despicable in the modern view of freedom and self determination.

Try telling that to Crowie.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
23 Oct 2018  #66
A lot of Poles think they are superior to their Asian neighbours for some odd reason.

Yeah, it's true. I think it was Harry (God bless his soul) that told me that Indians and Pakistanis were a source of quite a few Brexit votes, because they felt threatened by the new migrants since 2004. Brexit would allow them to get rid of the Europeans and to open the doors to their families from the subcontinent, so Brexit made perfect sense for them. India told the UK that they expect liberalisation in exchange for free trade, so...

In turn, the new migrants were quite hostile towards the Asians, especially as they were living side by side in stereotypically poor areas. Then of course, you had cases like this - dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3897130/Two-Polish-men-threw-rashers-bacon-London-mosque-goers-shouting-enjoy-f-ers-fled-scene-jailed-eight-months.html
lonpol 7 | 70    
23 Oct 2018  #67
This thread has gone haywire, we could be going around in circles for a long time.

Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

Yes it flippin well will be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will be at Piłsudski Square and then onto the main event via a cheeky Mcdonalds
Dougpol1 26 | 2,152    
23 Oct 2018  #68
via a cheeky Mcdonalds

Where does McDonalds fit into the scenario of Poland for the Poles? When it's convenient, the rabid nationalists come out, but otherwise, it's selective.
lonpol 7 | 70    
23 Oct 2018  #69
Where does McDonalds fit into the scenario of Poland for the Poles

Lol, im not even allowed a bleedin burger now!!!
Dougpol1 26 | 2,152    
23 Oct 2018  #70
Ha! We all remember the dreadful Polish version of the hamburger that was being sold in the bad old days. It was wet, it was rancid - something to do with the cooking...:)

Mind you, Polish cuisine generally squashes American food back into the days of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly!
The marchers should head into a kuchnia domowa for some Gołobki or roulada to keep their strength up.
Miloslaw 8 | 874    
23 Oct 2018  #71
I hope it's the biggest march ever.....loads of Polish flags,loads of patriotism!
Dougpol1 26 | 2,152    
23 Oct 2018  #72
loads of patriotism!

Nationalism. Outmoded. Not wanted by those who know better.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,875    
23 Oct 2018  #73
Harry (God bless his soul)

Wtf?? Is harry dead or some thing?

Nationalism. Outmoded. Not wanted by those who know better.

Whatever ism you call it, poles all over the country celebrate it. Its arguably the worlds largest nationalist event. No criticisms by the eu or anyone calling poles attending celebrations fascists as the eurocrats did will change that. If anything it'll alienate poles from the ec even more. Polish independence day is no different than americas july 4th
OP Spike31 1 | 378    
23 Oct 2018  #74
Fresh news. The motto of this year's march will be: God, Honour, Fatherland
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,875    
23 Oct 2018  #75
Bog Honor Ojczyzna? Thats what they always use bc its well known
OP Spike31 1 | 378    
23 Oct 2018  #76
But that's going to be the main and only motto this year. Just like "Poland, the bastion of Europe" was in 2016
Ironside 47 | 9,251    
24 Oct 2018  #77
Not yours either Doug! That's not an Irish accent :)

That dude sucks in his own native language. People you scammed pretending to teach them English should sue you. lol!

am not going to open any of those lest my youtube feed gets filled up by simple minded ranting idiots in tight t shirts.

Typical, the only idiot is the one looking at you from your mirror.

Seriously though, people who are unable to familiarize themselves with a different point of views and at the same time hold and express strong opinions about this or that are just pathetic creatures and nobody should take them seriously. I don't.

opposed to the hateful ideology that those thugs promote.

hmm, are you talking about your friends? Otherwise it is hard to take you seriously, if anything you are the most heated person on this forum for being nasty, hatful and mean. So - looks who is talking!

What ideology are you talking about? Clearly you know nothing about Dmowski (narodowcach). So stop being a jerk by talking smack about issues you have clearly no clue about.
Ironside 47 | 9,251    
24 Oct 2018  #78
God, Honour, Fatherland

Motherland it is Motherland not Fatherland.
mafketis 16 | 6,290    
24 Oct 2018  #79
Well "ojczyzna" seems related to ojciec and not matka (matczyzna means something very different...)

On the other hand, Poland is usually personified as a mother "Matko-Polsko"

Similarly there's 'język ojczysty' rather than matczyny (though there is 'mowa matczyna' for 'motherese')

Motherland and fatherland both exist in English but for me (American) have different connotations, you protect the motherland and serve the fatherland (if that makes sense....)
OP Spike31 1 | 378    
24 Oct 2018  #80
Motherland it is Motherland not Fatherland.

Father means ojciec, and Fatherland means the land of our fathers. 'Ziemia naszych ojcow' = Ojczyzna

Motherland points to, well, mother and it refers to 'Macierz', which is not very popular and archaic term dated back to the First Polish Republic few hundred years ago.
Dougpol1 26 | 2,152    
24 Oct 2018  #81
Polish independence day is no different than americas july 4th

Well yes. A pity it can't be in summer - couldn't they just come up with some scheme that some earlier documentation means that the date of Independence could be brought forward to summer - or in this case, to summer 1919, as 1918 was war...?

Idiotic as it may sound, at least then we could all have fun as a community in the sunshine, street parties et al, instead of this confrontational mode of "celebrating" independence.
Ironside 47 | 9,251    
24 Oct 2018  #82
Ziemia naszych ojcow' = Ojczyzna

it is grammatically feminine gender, plus Poland had been always depicted as a female. Alas the origin of the word could have been derived from a father but that tricky it could mean as well ancestors. However somewhere along the way its meaning morphed into something that can be translated as Motherland. Unless you are a google translator.

ojczyzna"

It rather refers to ancestors in my opinion. The land of our predecessors.
Atch 16 | 2,641    
24 Oct 2018  #83
And if you don't like English, Irish

Would you please not reference the Irish in this argument. As I said the guy on YouTube is not Irish. He's a Geordie. The accent is that of the North East of England. So there is no Irish voice in this debate on Polish Independence Day. But if you want one, I personally find it at odds with the fact that around most of Europe it's Remberance Day for the dead of World War One (and Two of course but it's the original Armistice Day). For me, I always think of Flanders Fields on that day.
johnny reb 16 | 3,461    
24 Oct 2018  #84
Same thing happens here in the U.S. Doug, people in rural America celebrate with picnics and parties, people in the big cities turn confrontational trying to promote their political views on this day of remembrance.

Would you please not reference the Irish in this argument.

Sounds reasonable to me.

For me, I always think of Flanders Fields on that day.

Do as I say, not as I do.
Crow 146 | 7,594    
24 Oct 2018  #85
I hope it's the biggest march ever.....loads of Polish flags,loads of patriotism!

Yes. I can imagine myself waving the flag with face of Zawisha Czarny, with inscription ``Sarmatian Bohater who came in aid to his Serbian brothers and not like some today who stabbing their Serbian brothers in the back``. On the other side of the flag would be inscription ``Spit on Tusk and Duda``.
OP Spike31 1 | 378    
24 Oct 2018  #86
it is grammatically feminine gender, plus Poland had been always depicted as a female.

I like to be precise with words since they are like a programming code for our brains. And more, the are a cultural "operating system" for the whole society.

And changing one's perception of the world starts with naming.

Maybe we should start changing this perception of "Fatherland"?

Warm, feminine "Motherland" that brings comfort and a sense of maternal security in mind may sound well in times of peace. Hard times, however, demand stronger and somewhat less maternal traits.

As I said the guy on YouTube is not Irish. He's a Geordie. The accent is that of the North East of England.

Duly noted.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
24 Oct 2018  #87
As I said the guy on YouTube is not Irish. He's a Geordie.

Interesting how someone who claims to be from "London, UK" cannot differentiate between a Geordie and an Irish person.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,875    
24 Oct 2018  #88
at least then we could all have fun as a community in the sunshine

I agree. Atleast itd be more pleasant than November.

people in the big cities turn confrontational trying to promote their political views on this day of remembrance.

Yup. Antifa always causes problems on july 4th. Oh you broke a window at starbucks and kicked a trash can? How rebellious...
OP Spike31 1 | 378    
24 Oct 2018  #89
Interesting how someone who claims to be from "London, UK" cannot differentiate between a Geordie and an Irish person.

I'm not "from London, UK". I'm a Polish Pole from Poland :-). I am simply temporarily living in London until I finish my current contract.

Idiotic as it may sound, at least then we could all have fun as a community in the sunshine, street parties et al

Yes, it does sound idiotic :-). If celebrating freedom an independence sounds "confrontational" to you then you're already lost my friend
lonpol 7 | 70    
24 Oct 2018  #90
For anyone who has the wrong impression about the march -> youtube.com/watch?v=VCNWtVoOLlo



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