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What really happened at the Krakow restaurant?


Harry
10 Jul 2012 #31
Er, how exactly is it possible to feel anti-Jewish sentiments but not to be anti-semitic?
gumishu 11 | 5,993
10 Jul 2012 #32
anti-semitism in my understanding is when you want to anihilate Jews or when you want to banish them from your country (including those rightful citizens of your country) - maybe your understanding is different
Harry
10 Jul 2012 #33
Yes, my definition would be very different.
gumishu 11 | 5,993
10 Jul 2012 #34
Harry, if you insist that any anti-Jewish sentiment is anti-semitism then any anti-Polish sentiment is antipolonism right?? - no matter the reason and the intensity
Harry
10 Jul 2012 #35
Harry, if you insist that any anti-Jewish sentiment is anti-semitism then any anti-Polish sentiment is antipolonism right??

Racial prejudice is racial prejudice.
gumishu 11 | 5,993
10 Jul 2012 #36
I don't get it - if Germans hold Poles for thieves (and they have reasons to think that way) is it racial prejudice - I thought Germans and Poles were the same race just different cultures

keep this on topic please
Ziemowit 13 | 4,342
10 Jul 2012 #37
I think this is very much on topic, mod. Half of the threads on the forum turn into semitism or anti-semitism, and yet no one has provided the PolishForum with a comprehensive definition of the phenomenon. Every specialist on the matter (and there are herds of them) here navigates in very dark waters.
rybnik 18 | 1,461
10 Jul 2012 #38
Good point Ziemowit
Jimmu 2 | 157
10 Jul 2012 #39
Many poles believe that a painting of a jew in the their home will bring them good fortune.

Yeah, seems like a lot of Poles have pictures of Jesus or Mary in their homes......
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
11 Jul 2012 #40
Isn't it fascinating that such thing hit the mainstream media in Poland and even some around the world ?

Jews claims that the Polish waiters and waitresses told them to get out, Poles claim that they were Jews planted there to stir up trouble and anti semitism, what really happened???

I would bet (If I cared at all about such trival incident) on something in between...

I was waiting for this kind of incident to happen in Poland

Interesting. Are you also so interested in thousends of similar incidents happening each day around the world ? I hope to hear soon from you.
f stop 25 | 2,513
11 Jul 2012 #41
It's probably a combination of many things - close to closing time, size of the party, plus waiters usually have a pretty good judgement about whether there is money to be made... what do you think would happen if the guests were not Jewish - they would have been served? Or, they would leave when they were told they were to late?

A free tip: in US, when you're in this situation, ask if you can have a word with the chef (because you've heard good things about him, etc). If he says the kitchen is closed, you're done. Sometimes, the chef will tell you what he can still make. I don't know who the real boss is in Polish restaurants, but in US, it's the chef.
Ironside 51 | 11,339
11 Jul 2012 #42
It is actually a good test, These who claim that it was anti-Semitic incident - are utter ......!

Press? phew !
f stop 25 | 2,513
11 Jul 2012 #43
Well, it might have been..
When I was working in a restaurant in a half Italian, half Jewish town, and a large party of Italians came in at closing time, I sure was staying. Often made week's wages off them.

But, if they were Jewish, I had urgent personal business at home.
When it comes to money, you've got to go with the odds. ;)
Ironside 51 | 11,339
11 Jul 2012 #44
there is an undercurrent anti-Jewish sentiment in Poland

there is undercurrent of moronism in Poland. Some Tusk voting self-destructive characters.

There isn't any such sentiment. IT is only natural reaction to all lies and accusation hurled at Poles by Liberal circles of American (not only unfortunately) Jews.
pip 10 | 1,659
11 Jul 2012 #45
When it comes to money, you've got to go with the odds. ;)

this is hilarious. and completely accurate.
yehudi 1 | 433
15 Jul 2012 #46
Why wont they start with blaming Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine

We do. I know I do anyway.

Many poles believe that a painting of a jew in the their home will bring them good fortune. Nothing anti-semitic here, move along.

Does this work for Jews too?! I got a house full of pictures of Jews – my parents, my kids, my relatives – and i don't see any big return on my investment. Does the jew have to have along nose? Because none of my relatives have that. Do you think that's the problem? I'd really like to develop this and maybe export my Jew pictures.

anti-semitism in my understanding is when you want to anihilate Jews or when you want to banish them from your country

Anti-semitism is just another word for prejudice against jews. Just like "anti-polonism" or polonophobia would mean prejuduce against Poles. No different. On the other hand the "desire to anihilate Jews" can be described more accurately as paranoid schizophrenia. If you ever get that desire, go to a doctor real fast.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,436
15 Jul 2012 #47
On the other hand the "desire to anihilate Jews" can be described more accurately as paranoid schizophrenia. If you ever get that desire, go to a doctor real fast.

LOL that was funny Yehudi.

We do. I know I do anyway.

Well good as long as Poles aren't the only ones (apart from Germans) blamed for killing Jews in WWII. The latest statistics done by CBOS show that 33% of Poles have sympathy for (like) Jews. That's a mighty step up from just 15% back in 1993. Arabs, Gypsies and Vietnamese are at the bottom of the ranking. dziedzictwo.ormianie.pl/images/stories/CBOSstos_do_innych2012_02.pdf
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
15 Jul 2012 #48
Does this work for Jews too?!

It doesn't work unless a Jew holds some gold or at least some cash.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
15 Jul 2012 #49
Does this work for Jews too?! I got a house full of pictures of Jews

Then you’re already a rich man, take a good look at your walls, some riches can’t be measured in material possessions but somehow I don’t expect you to have a picture of Jesus on your wall anytime soon. It’s called religious or cultural difference.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
15 Jul 2012 #50
Some more: piekneobrazy.pl/index.php?page=shop.browse&option=com_virtu emart&Itemid=41
yehudi 1 | 433
15 Jul 2012 #51
It doesn't work unless a Jew holds some gold or at least some cash.

Hey, that's a picture of my uncle Leizer. How did you get that?
Ironside 51 | 11,339
15 Jul 2012 #53
Does this work for Jews too?

I
So they keep saying but to be honest I have never encountered before such phenomena, I have learned about that on PF!
I just wonder where the heck they encountered it?


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