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What documentation do I need to marry a Polish girl in Poland?


Enosh 1 | 12
17 Feb 2014 #1
Certainly this thing might have been posted many times in this forum... Yet again...(I am from India) What documents do I need to marry my Polish GF in Poland? We both want to get married in a Church as we both are Christians so we don't have any problem in that. And after marriage we both will settle in India, so what documents I'd need for that too? If anyone can tell me the correct procedure for above mentioned purpose then I will be thankful. :)
Harry
17 Feb 2014 #2
It certainly has been. Please use the search engine and then come back tous with any specific questions you may still have after reading what's already here.
OP Enosh 1 | 12
17 Feb 2014 #3
Harry, I know that. With all due respect to what you are saying, I tried to search that but I am using this site from phone so many things don't open up even when I try to, even 'reply, quote' option isnt working from phone.

Even I am not able to search posts.
DominicB - | 2,684
17 Feb 2014 #4
If anyone can tell me the correct procedure for above mentioned purpose then I will be thankful. :)

The marriage is not a problem. The two document that you have to provide is evidence of no impediment, a letter from your government stating hat you are not married in India.

Getting a visa to come to Poland is another matter. You will have to prove many things with ABUNDANT documentation, like that you have known each other for a substantial amount of time, that she has visited you and spent a substantial amount of time with you in India, or you with her in Poland or elsewhere, that you have a genuine serious romantic relationship, that you have significant ties to India like a steady job and owning property or a business, that you have sufficient funds in the bank to finance your stay in Poland, and anything else that indicates that you will definitely leave the EU after you get married.

Frankly, the embassy official handling your visa request is going to be very, very skeptical of your true motives, and start from the point of view that you are just yet another Indian trying to get into the EU until you can convince them otherwise. Again, frankly, you don't get the benefit of a doubt. The burden of proof that the marriage is not a marriage of convenience rests solely on you. If you and your future wife have never met in person, or cannot otherwise document a genuine serious long-term person-to-person relationship, forget about it. Also, if you cannot demonstrate very strong ties to India, forget about it.
OP Enosh 1 | 12
17 Feb 2014 #5
Thank You very very much Dominic. Actually I am 19 now. I've been in relationship with that girl since 1year and we want to marry in 2018 or 2019 (May God help us to stay together till then)... I have some querries, like... My girl and me met on twitter and we have talked everyday for 6months before entering in a relationship.. I know its a kiddish question but can 'tweets' be taken has a proof that we have know each other since a long time?

Second, just for official purpose we have to spend some time together? And may I know how much time it must be? Third, if I have a government job in India, will it be sufficient 'ties' with India? And if I say that we will marry in India, then will it be better option? (Im sorry reply option isnt working, I hope you see it)
Harry
17 Feb 2014 #6
If all you want to do is marry her, do it in India: that will be much much easier.
OP Enosh 1 | 12
17 Feb 2014 #7
Okay Harry, I will keep that in mind. I know its too early to plan for marriage, I mean before I was thinking that I have too much time to think and plan everything(trip, marriage plans, visa, documents), but after what information Dominic gave, I think I took correct step by posting in this forum. I appreciate your help. :)
DominicB - | 2,684
17 Feb 2014 #8
Actually I am 19 now.

At that age, you're going to have a big problem convincing anyone that you are serious. That's way below the normal marrying age in Poland, or anywhere in Europe, and at that age, Poles are still considered children. By serious ties to India, I mean proof that you are firmly established, A high-paying job that you have held for about five years, a successful business that you have run for about five years, your own home or substantial property, things like that. A 19-year-old is not going to have any of that. Showing a consul Twitters for six months is just plain ridiculous, and will only show him that you are still not yet mature enough to think seriously about marriage.

If all you want to do is marry her, do it in India: that will be much much easier.

This is exactly what the consul is going to ask.
OP Enosh 1 | 12
17 Feb 2014 #9
Dominic, I am sorry but I think you missed it. I said I am 19 now, but I also said that we have a plan to marry around 2018-2019, at that time I will be 23-24... And I think its a fair age, am I right?

And for tweets I asked because I was just wondering if its legit, I already said that I know its a kiddish question... I expected it to be wrong anyway, just wanted to make sure :) I won't forget your advice, thanks a lot.

Merged: Overseas Marriage Enquiry.

For gathering information (rules & regulations, procedures, conditions, VISAs, etc.) regarding marrying a Polish girl in Poland, I must write (email for enquiry) to Embassy of Poland in my Country or My Country's Embassy in Poland? Or to any other Government Department in Poland?

A reply will be highly appreciated.
OP Enosh 1 | 12
20 Feb 2014 #11
Nope, coz I didn't remind about it while writing that.
OP Enosh 1 | 12
20 Feb 2014 #13
Oliver, No :) I just want to know the best source of information from above mentioned places. Or if there are other places that you think can be better source?!
DominicB - | 2,684
20 Feb 2014 #14
the best source of information

The Polish embassy in your country. They'll tell you everything they need to make a decision.
OP Enosh 1 | 12
21 Feb 2014 #15
Ah! I will start from there then. Thank you very much Dominic. You appear to be most helpful, haha. :)

Umm Dominic, I need your help once again (I am extremely sorry if I am annoying you), my GF said that she can(she isnt sure coz of travel cost) visit me in June(to celebrate her b'day here)... So I was wondering that, you said above: "If you

and your future wife have never met
in person, or cannot otherwise
document a genuine serious long-term
person-to-person relationship, forget
about it...".
My question is that if she comes to India to meet me in June, then how can we prove it in 'DOCUMENTS/PAPERS' ? Passport is one option if I am not wrong.
Harry
21 Feb 2014 #16
My question is that if she comes to India to meet me in June, then how can we prove it in 'DOCUMENTS/PAPERS' ? Passport is one option if I am not wrong.

Passport will help, but what you really need are photos.
OP Enosh 1 | 12
21 Feb 2014 #17
Okay, Thank You Harry! I guess there will be a lots of photos.. haha :D
DominicB - | 2,684
21 Feb 2014 #18
My question is that if she comes to India to meet me in June, then how can we prove it in 'DOCUMENTS/PAPERS' ? Passport is one option if I am not wrong.

Like Harry said, photos will help a lot, especially if they include your family members and friends. Also, long term correspondence, meaning real paper letters, and receipts for gifts and for the shipping to her address and vice versa will probably be required, as will receipts for hotel rooms and trips booked together. A statement of intent to marry her and her acceptance letter would help a lot, as well as published banns of marriage in both Polish and Indian newspapers. The more you have, the more likely it is that the consul will find the relationship to be genuine.

However, as Harry said, it would be much easier for her to move to India and for you to get married there. It will be MUCH easier for her to get a visa and residence permit to India than for you to get them for Poland. The consul will want to know why it is necessary that you get married in Poland, and I can't think of a good reason, especially if, as you said, you intend to live in India after you are married.
Cardno85 31 | 976
21 Feb 2014 #19
Getting a visa to come to Poland is another matter.

As they are planning to live in India, surely the chap only needs a tourist Visa for Poland? He's not planning a prolonged stay, just go over, get married, and come back. In that case it's only a certificate of non-impediment that has been translated by a sworn translator and proof of marriage preparedness issued by the Church which does not need to be translated as it can be sent from his diocese in India direct to the diocese in Poland within the church.

I can see why people would be suspect, but if the plan is to live in India and they are both Catholic (I noticed he mentioned Christian and not Catholic) then it won't really be so hard.
DominicB - | 2,684
21 Feb 2014 #20
He's not planning a prolonged stay, just go over, get married, and come back.

It's the "come back" part that the consul is going to want to be absolutely sure of before he issues the visa. And the thing that is hardest to prove.
Cardno85 31 | 976
22 Feb 2014 #21
And the thing that is hardest to prove

I agree and, as a leper in my own country, I can see why Poland whouldn't be keen, but if he get's a tourist visa he should be fine!
OP Enosh 1 | 12
22 Feb 2014 #22
Dominic..."A statement of
intent to marry her and her
acceptance letter would help a lot, as
well as published banns of marriage in
both Polish and Indian newspapers." What is/are 'banns of marriage'? I googled it and it says that it is required by Catholics, I am not a Catholic, so?! And I have to get that 'intent' to marry now? Or when we will marry? I think the latter one... Where can we get Letter of Intent and Letter of Acceptance? From Embassies?

Actually its my wish to marry there because I want my GF's family to know me closely (I understand 10days aren't sufficient to know anyone, but still...) and their daughter will be going away forever (though she can often visit them after marriage) so I want to make them happy that atleast she got married in front them... I want to see their happy faces. My GF says that she doesnt mind it and we can get married anywhere, though her first priorty too is Poland. And I don't think Consulate will accept this reason... Its so confusing.
Enosh02 - | 1
22 Feb 2014 #23
Cardno85, Poland issues Schengen Visa(I guess thats the tourist visa). I don't think my visit to Poland will be more that 10days. (I am sorry to all, I had to make new account because according to rules I cannot post 2 consecutive comments and I reached mobile text limit in last comment)
OP Enosh 1 | 12
22 Feb 2014 #24
Cardno85, whats that Church Marriage Preparedness thing you said?
DominicB - | 2,684
22 Feb 2014 #25
What is/are 'banns of marriage'?

Public announcement of the upcoming wedding in the church. It's not just for Catholics. Churches differ in how this is handled, so she will have to find out what is required in her church in Poland, and you will have to find out what is required in your church in India.

Where can we get Letter of Intent and Letter of Acceptance?

Your lawyers will handle this, preferably about a year before the wedding.

Church Marriage Preparedness thing you said?

Some churches, like the Catholic church, for example, require you to take a course together about married life before they will agree to marry you. If her church does, you'll need a certificate for that, and also probably other church-related documents like proof of baptism, confirmation and active participation. You'll also need a certificate of no impediment, both for the church and the civil authorities.

I don't think my visit to Poland will be more that 10days.

You have to wait at least thirty days after applying for a marriage license to actually get married. Also, if she is Catholic (like almost all Polish girls are), and you are not, there is a long waiting period for getting married in the Catholic Church, most especially for mixed marriages. There are A LOT of hoops for you to jump through, and they are not going to make it easy for you.

If she is not Catholic, then she and you have to find out the rules for your respective churches. Talk to your pastors.

Also, the wedding is five years away. Your lawyer will be able to answer your questions in your particular case, or refer you to someone who can. You'll both have plenty of time to learn about the process and gather the necessary documentation.
OP Enosh 1 | 12
23 Feb 2014 #26
Aah! Yes, that type of announcement is done in our Church too, 3times- all 3 sundays before marriage, but I am not sure if its done on a mere rough paper or a Church Official Paper.

Lawyers... I am pretty sure that we both don't want lawyers. I mean we don't want to inccur extra cost for lawyers.

I can't stay in Poland for 30days. Doesn't matter I've a private or government job I won't get more than 12-15days of personal holidays yearly.

YES! There is a plenty of time.. But I dont want to risk it. Like you said that we must keep letters, parcel tickets, envelopes, etc. as proof.. I threw 3parcel tickets(Coz I didnt wanted my family to see it... Well, now my family knows we are in a relationship.), from now on I am gonna keep those tickets.

I know you have said plenty of times that we must marry in India, may I know why its a better option?
DominicB - | 2,684
24 Feb 2014 #27
Aah! Yes, that type of announcement is done in our Church too, 3times- all 3 sundays before marriage, but I am not sure if its done on a mere rough paper or a Church Official Paper.

It's an official church paper, and you can get copies from your pastors.

Lawyers... I am pretty sure that we both don't want lawyers. I mean we don't want to inccur extra cost for lawyers.

You don't want to incur the extra cost of not having a lawyer. A good lawyer will save you money.

I can't stay in Poland for 30days. Doesn't matter I've a private or government job I won't get more than 12-15days of personal holidays yearly.

I know you have said plenty of times that we must marry in India, may I know why its a better option?

I didn't say "must", I said it would probably be easier if she is moving to India anyway. Time won't be a factor, and she'll have no problem getting a visa. The paperwork is going to be a lot easier, too, than getting a Schengen visa, and probably a lot less costly.
OP Enosh 1 | 12
24 Feb 2014 #28
Aah! I get it. Thanks to everyone for the help and specially to you Dominic!

Well...my GF read this post and comments and she told me last night that she is Catholic. It was my misunderstanding because of which I was thinking she is Evangelical as well.

Now I think that we have to work for her conversion first and it will be done in my Church, I guess. Lets see what my Church asks for.


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