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delphiandomine 83 | 17,915
15 Feb 2012 #61
You can't blame Catholicism for those 3 morons.

Oh yes you can. The refusal of the Vatican to reject them (along with the Croatian Utashe and others such as the infamous Rydzyk) is one big issue within the Catholic Church - many Catholics stand on the edge for that exact reason.
markskibniewski 3 | 200
15 Feb 2012 #62
You can't blame The Vatican for trying to remain nuetral. They tried to talk to both sides and promote peace. John 8:7

that the Catholic monasteries assisted Nazi's in escaping from post WWII Germany

they also assisted allied prisoners during and after the war. So what.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,915
15 Feb 2012 #63
You can't blame The Vatican for trying to remain nuetral. They tried to talk to both sides and promote peace. John 8:7

In the face of known, unspeakable horrors - yes, you can. There was absolutely no reason to stay neutral when the Croatians were doing horrible, horrible things to Serbs and others. And they didn't try and promote peace - in fact, quite the opposite there. They were actively involved in fuelling Croatian nationalism - all because they were afraid that the Croatian church might break away from Rome.

they also assisted allied prisoners during and after the war. So what.

You can't forgive the blatant escape routes provided to many Axis WW2 types...
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
15 Feb 2012 #64
There was absolutely no reason to stay neutral when the Croatians were doing horrible, horrible things to Serbs and others

Very true. The Vatican did save a lot of Jewish lives in Rome and individual German bishops did courageously stand up to Hiltler from the pulpit, however they were even more of a dinosaur in those days than they are now and as a cerebral gentocracy with decidedly fascist elements within was unable to effect any real public opposition to the evil of those times.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,915
15 Feb 2012 #65
however the Church was even more of a dinosaur in those days and as a cerebral gentocracy with decidedly fascist leanings was unable to effect any real public opposition to the evil of those times.

I would argue that the Church's inaction during those times actually helped the Axis along their way - but then again, the Vatican was heavily bribed by Mussolini - and arguably had their interests served by him, too.

When you think that there must have been around 300-400 million Catholics during WW2 - Poland really was betrayed.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
15 Feb 2012 #66
but then again, the Vatican was heavily bribed by Mussolini - and arguably had their interests served by him, too.

A lot (and especially their tolerance of the atrocities committed by Croat clergy) was to do with Dollfuss's Austrofascism. Dmowski was a big admirer of that, as are the Giertychs today.
markskibniewski 3 | 200
16 Feb 2012 #68
You can't forgive the blatant escape routes provided to many Axis WW2 types...

My point was they helped both sides. They were just recognized as thier own country. They didn't want to destroy relations with surrounding nations. They certainly didn't want Rome or the Vatican to be bombed which was one of the Pope's fears.

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the Vatican was heavily bribed by Mussolini - and arguably had their interests served by him, too.

How did he bribe them with insults Mussolini hated the Catholic church, he often spoke out against it publically.

Poland really was betrayed.

I can't argue this point the RCC really left Poland hanging in the wind.

I think we are way off point though.
Meathead 5 | 470
16 Feb 2012 #69
Gee do we get bored when we are caught in a lie.

A difference of opinion is not a lie. We don't burn people at the stake anymore we smear them.
Ironside 49 | 10,108
16 Feb 2012 #70
I would argue that the Church's inaction during those times actually helped the Axis along their way - but then again, the Vatican was heavily bribed by Mussolini - and arguably had their interests served by him, too.

You think that CC as whole should be directly involved in politics ?

was unable to effect any real public opposition to the evil of those times.

You too Jonny ?

A difference of opinion is not a lie. We don't burn people at the stake anymore we smear them.

What opinion ? A pile of steaming insane ramblings is not an opinion.
No you bomb them !
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
16 Feb 2012 #71
You think that CC as whole should be directly involved in politics ?

The RCC is very involved in politics.

You too Jonny ?

I wasn't around during those times and I don't have millions of followers.
Ironside 49 | 10,108
16 Feb 2012 #72
The RCC is very involved in politics.

I should write - define very:).
Whether The RCC is involved very in politics or some or not at all - doesn't really matter.
What is important is the fact that what delph and you are postulating would be an enormous upgrading of said involvement.
Can you imagine consequences not only in historical context but also for the present? I'm sure you do not wish that to be true, nor does delph.
markskibniewski 3 | 200
16 Feb 2012 #73
The RCC is very involved in politics.

As it pertains to its teachings absolutely...recently the RCC made Obama back off from his new health plan proposal. Good job RCC.

I wasn't around during those times and I don't have millions of followers.

But isn't that the point it has millions of followers in Germany, Italy , Britain , France, all over. The RCC could not afford to choose a side without alienating several of its followers.

They would have been obliterated. Thier relations with Germany were already dicey as the Nazi party was something like 60 percent Protestant.

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