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Are Polish ppl capable of revolting?


grubas 12 | 1,390
9 Apr 2010 #1
I the light of latest events in Kyrgystan where Kyrgyz ppl decided to topple their goverment, do you think Polish ppl are capable of taking similar action?Maybe instead of leaving the country by milions, they should stand up and oust their own regime.Aren't they tired enough of this "democracy" yet?Or maybe they are to busy trying to make the ends meet?I hope they will wake up some time soon and this time get it right(unlike 21 years ago).I am ready to come back and fight as soon as the revolt begin.So what do you guys think ,are Polish ppl capable of taking their country back from small group of crooks and traitors or they just pusssies?Anybody?
Torq
9 Apr 2010 #2
do you think Polish ppl are capable of taking similar action?

Yes.

Maybe instead of leaving the country by milions, they should stand up and oust their own regime.

No.

Aren't they tired enough of this "democracy" yet?

They are - that's why so many are leaving.

I am ready to come back and fight as soon as the revolt begin.

No, you are not.

or they just pusssies?

Pussies? Because they choose to work hard to make their country better or leave
in search for better life for them and their families (who very often stay in Poland
and depend completely on their work)? Because they would rather work than start
a civil war and fight - brother against brother?
enkidu 7 | 623
9 Apr 2010 #3
Because they would rather work than start
a civil war and fight - brother against brother?

I would never kill another Polish guy.
Germans, however are a kind of different story.
Or Russians - I wouldn't mind to kill one.
Civil war is just not a part of our tradition.
Even the martial law regime in the '80 was a kind of a joke.
Torq
9 Apr 2010 #4
Civil war is just not a part of our tradition.

Exactly. This is how we survived over 1000 years as a nation.

In Poland, between ourselves, we can be the worst cu**s ever - lying, cheating,
hating one another, but if a foreigner hits one of us - 40 million hit him back.

Of course there are exceptions to this rule, but generally a Polish civil war is
something very unlikely.
TheOther 6 | 3,692
9 Apr 2010 #5
Germans, however are a kind of different story.
Or Russians - I wouldn't mind to kill one.

How 'civilized' you are.
Exiled 2 | 425
9 Apr 2010 #6
Civil war is just not a part of our tradition.

The exact opposite from Greece.Thousands of civil wars here since the ancient times.We even had civil war during revolution against ottoman Empire.Imagine for example Poles revolting against Russian occupation and at the same time fighting against each other.We had civil war in WW1 while fighting against Germans and civil war in WW2 during german occupation as well.Poland paradoxiaclly had no communist guerillas in WW2 fighting against nationalist guerillas as it was common in Balkans.
guzzler 1 | 88
9 Apr 2010 #7
A civil war would set Poland back not advance her, we always want everything to happen today but things don't happen like that. A civil war happened in my country in 1920, which divided the country and set brother against brother and friend against friend. Afterwards Ireland's greatest export was her people. I meet young Poles over here in London, and I like and admire them, I stood in their shoes over fifty years ago You have everything going for you to make Poland a great and wealthy country again.

Regards
Gregrog 4 | 100
9 Apr 2010 #8
Poland paradoxiaclly had no communist guerillas in WW2 fighting against nationalist guerillas as it was common in Balkans.

You're wrong here. However commies forces weren't strong enough to make any bigger action against AK or other underground organizations, but they are responsible for some murders etc. One of many reasons for starting Warsaw Uprising was to be "first liberators of capitol" before commies.
Torq
9 Apr 2010 #9
A civil war would set Poland back not advance her, we always want everything to happen today but things don't happen like that.

Well said! Luckily Ireland has overcome the difficult history and is a successful country
nowadays (apart from some minor, temporary troubles that will surely be dealt with in
an appropriate manner).
We can only hope that Poland will one day follow in Ireland's footsteps and our people
won't have to emmigrate anymore.
convex 20 | 3,978
9 Apr 2010 #10
Aren't they tired enough of this "democracy" yet?

Yea, Poland needs a dictator.

We can only hope that Poland will one day follow in Ireland's footsteps and our people
won't have to emmigrate anymore.

It's getting there. There are some huge issues that need to be solved... It seems to me that there is a layer of incredibly overpaid middle management here that drag otherwise productive enterprises down. Hopefully that's being tolerated less and less..
Crow 157 | 10,838
10 Apr 2010 #11
Are Polish ppl capable of revolting?

i am sure in that
Seanus 15 | 19,706
10 Apr 2010 #12
Geez, Poles have some of the highest potential in the world in this respect. However, too many Poles can't see the inherent dangers in the 'quiet' approach of Tusk.
nomaderol 5 | 726
10 Apr 2010 #13
"democracy"

where is that? in the west? take any company/factory. there is ceo or president, whatever you name it, assigned by company owner. president assigns managers who assign workers and so on.. there is election in this capital local scale? no.. in local scales, smaller scales, it is monarchy.. that also controls country scales and global scale, the world.

those so-called revolts in countries arent real revolts, but, just games of some monarchic centers.. unless revolts are done in local scales, they arent real revolts. monarchies still dominate everywhere.
Crow 157 | 10,838
10 Apr 2010 #14
Poles can't see the inherent dangers in the 'quiet' approach of Tusk

no, Poles just recuperate
Seanus 15 | 19,706
10 Apr 2010 #15
Recuperating after what? The 1968 revolt showed their passion. Let's not forget the Solidarity movement.
Wroclaw Boy
10 Apr 2010 #16
Too many people in Poland "put up and shut up". Its another legacy of that fcuking communist heritage.

New age Poles ie. the younger generation are capable, im in.. BIG TIME. Bring on the anarchy. They should be rioting in the streets.

With out bashing the church too much have you ever seen a bad one? Poland needs to get its priorities in order. Its not going to happen with all the corruption, a stand needs to be made.

Call in the expats, bring on the war damn it.....
nomaderol 5 | 726
10 Apr 2010 #17
why poland now? poland isnt as bad as ireland, uk, etc economically now.. why arent we seeing any revolt in such places? brits are like sheeps?
Crow 157 | 10,838
10 Apr 2010 #18
The 1968 revolt showed their passion. Let's not forget the Solidarity movement.

its nothing. Poles can generate much more enegry

Recuperating after what?

after open era of slavery and communism

Too many people in Poland "put up and shut up". Its another legacy of that fcuking communist heritage.

well noticed. But, its not only that. Polish history is tragic in general, glorious but tragic. As a Serbian i completely understand Poljake
Wroclaw Boy
10 Apr 2010 #19
why poland now? poland isnt as bad as ireland, uk, etc economically now.. why arent we seeing any revolt in such places? brits are like sheeps?

WTF is this guy about, thats economic stability, nothing to do with corruption, lack of decent health care, infrastructure issues, red tape, poverty etc....

"Brits are like sheeps" if thats the case why are there 1,000,000 + Poles living, working and loving my country with no intention of ever coming back to bloddy Poland? Thats the question here matey.
kondzior 12 | 1,221
10 Apr 2010 #20
If there was some good reason...
But I dont see any. Sure, the government seems to be composed solely of thiefs and morons, but that is kind of expected. I cannot even imagint it otherwise.
Wroclaw Boy
10 Apr 2010 #21
Polish history is tragic in general, glorious but tragic.

Indeed it is, i believe they will have their time but not for a while. The period of the agressive sword is passing. A new sword is reappearing and lets hope Poland wields that well.
Crow 157 | 10,838
10 Apr 2010 #22
they will have their time but not for a while

yes, that`s my opinion, too. Poles need time. It is people that was killed many times. Poles are tired
Wroclaw Boy
10 Apr 2010 #23
poland isnt as bad as ireland, uk, etc economically now..

That is one of the stupidest things ive ever read on here, where the money dude on the ground level, hows mummy and daddy financing themselves on that crappy state pension which theyve worked their entire lives for?

Polands GDP and other international financial statistics maybe in the green in comparison to Western Europeans but I dont see it at ground level, and thats the point, always has been always will be. The day i see old people getting brand new Ford Fiestas from the government for handicapps (not lied about) is the day Poland will become a leading Euro power and that atleast 30 years off probably more like 60 if ever. Hell, fcuk the car a state wheel chair would be a good start.

In order to get vital paliative equipment you need to drive half around the country for a bloody stamp.

On the stamp note, the whole world works with passwords and codes i can access thousands of pounds with a few words and numbers but in POLAND you need a fcuking stamp. Whats that all about??????????????
nomaderol 5 | 726
10 Apr 2010 #24
yeas, but, economy or living condition isnt measured by GDP or GDP per person.
a pole in poland can live easily with , i guess, 500 euro a month while a brit cant live so easily in, say, london with 2500 euro a month. all relative concepts. at present stiuation, people in, for ex, ireland losing jobs more than poland.

if economy graphline were following a linear curve as it followed in last two decades, you could draw an extrapolation easily to predict the future of economy.. but, this crisis caused shocks and discontinuities in the economy curve that resulted in highly nonlinear behaviours, therefore, extrapolation rules to predict the future of economy will not be valid as it is not linear line anymore.. plus, this crisis seem to be irreversible, meaning that the old riches may not recover themselves anymore.

why poles had gone to britain, usa, etc? easy. they thought the things would stay the same. i guess most of them are regretful now and probably naming themselves now as idiots..

connecting these to revolt, one should expect the revolt in britain, usa, etc earlier than poland as economies there fluctuated much and hit the ordinary folks there badly. but, they wont revolt in such places whatever happens. why so? ordinary folks are under tight controls by governments in such places?
TICKLED PINK
10 Apr 2010 #25
Question:
grubas:
or they just pusssies?
Answer:

In Poland, between ourselves, we can be the worst cu**s ever - lying, cheating,
hating one another, but if a foreigner hits one of us - 40 million hit him back.

( YES, indeed, pussies. Can,t stand up for themselves as individuals )

in POLAND you need a fcuking stamp.

That,s a good enough cause to start the revolution.
I,m right behind you.
CHARRRRRRRRGE !!!
OP grubas 12 | 1,390
10 Apr 2010 #26
No, you are not.

Yes I am

Civil war is just not a part of our tradition.

We did have few civil wars ,the latest in 1935.

Poland paradoxiaclly had no communist guerillas in WW2 fighting against nationalist guerillas

You are wrong,e.g NSZ vs AL and vice versa,AL vs AK. I think only BCH was neutral and fought Germans only.
convex 20 | 3,978
10 Apr 2010 #27
you have to figure out what you want to revolt against, and how you will make it better. I'm all ears.
Wroclaw Boy
10 Apr 2010 #28
connecting these to revolt, one should expect the revolt in britain, usa, etc earlier than poland as economies there fluctuated much and hit the ordinary folks there badly. but, they wont revolt in such places whatever happens. why so? ordinary folks are under tight controls by governments in such places?

Are you still watching re-runs of communist TV propoganda from the 70's. I cant explain it any better, well i can but you know what i just cant be bothered, im better of just typing this in the hope it may install some=thing.

you have to figure out what you want to revolt against, and how you will make it better. I'm all ears.

Lets get started on roads, then hospital bribary, move onto red tape, and take the creme de la creme on banning fcuking stamps, the green ones, the black ones the blue ones, we dont care what they are just get rid of that shite. period..... Help every body out.

Access internet information, no going to officces and cuesng for hours for some idiot to give false information, have one person updtaing a website, albeit tax, health, passports, pesels what ever, all accessible on line with downloadable forms. No fcuking cueing for hours.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
10 Apr 2010 #29
Are Polish ppl capable of revolting?

There are some people in my village that have always been revolting...!
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
10 Apr 2010 #30
New age Poles ie. the younger generation are capable, im in.. BIG TIME. Bring on the anarchy. They should be rioting in the streets.

Yes, Wb, yes they should be rioting on the streets.

1- What would that achieve?

2- What would foreign investors do?

3- Would the zloty survive?

4- Ah phuc it, too many questions.

ireland losing jobs more than poland.

Polands unemployment rate is higher than Irelands. Polands is 12.9% Irelands is 12.4%. With seasonal work becoming available in the coming months, both will decrease to a certain extent.

The media have focused heavily on Irelands economy due to rapid shift from boom to gloom. Irelands economy is is now finding its "natural level" it will drop a bit more yet, eventually reaching its 2002-2003 level. While Polands economy is slowly but surely growing bit by bit. Largely due to foreign investment, remittances and an educated workforce.

Irelands problems were caused by a crazy banking system, a property orgy, uncompetitiveness, crazy individual debts, an influx of unskilled workers, a liberal welfare system, a self interest group portraying themselves as the government, sheer greed and many other issues.


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