Poles against gay marriages. Really?

Some forum members, while discussing Polish issues, love to exploit certain ideas which they treat as dogmas. Unfortunately, they often talk about things of the past. It is obvious they haven`t been in touch with real Poland and Poles for years.

One of such outdated beliefs is gay marriage acceptance in Poland.

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Unfortunately for the posters who claim such facts, Polish public opinion on the issue is rapidly changing. I mean acceptance is higher each year.

Read the articles about surveys

2013 - 40% accept gay partnerships, 30% gay marriages
wyborcza.pl/1,75398,14745603,Polski_rekord_tolerancji__40_proc__z_nas_akceptuje.html

2017 - 52% accept gay partnership, 38% gay marriage.
tvn24.pl/wiadomosci-z-kraju,3/sondaz-ipsos-wiekszosc-polakow-popiera-zwiazki-partnerskie,752514.html

2018 - 60% accept gay marriages
noizz.pl/lgbt/polacy-w-sondazu-ibris-za-uszanowaniem-malzenstw-jednoplciowych/72s25zr

In case you tried to accuse the OP of a biased choice of sources, I should explain that the survey results correspond to my experience of discussing the matter with average Poles. More and more of my acquaintances simply don`t care about gay marriages - they think it is a private business of people involved.

There is one thing which Poles are unanimous about, though - most of them (80%) reject children for gay marriages. Will this attitude change one day? Interesting.

Nice to see some balance on this forum Pawian, instead of the usual "Poles don't want......" rubbish. Well done. The previously conservative proletariat are coming more and more round to the feeling that they should be free to think for themselves, and that others' lives are of no concern of theirs.

Some sections of the state and the church don't like that, because their perfidious influence is weakening. That's tough.

First, there is a fallacy in the thread title. There is no such thing as "gay marriage" for the same reason why there is no such thing as square wheel, or intercourse involving two guys because, by definition, marriage is between man and women, wheel, by definition, is round, and intercourse, by definition, is an act meant to inseminate. A man who is masturbating is not having an intercourse with himself. That is why we have "to masturbate" as a verb in the English vocabulary.

Second, the purpose of marriage is to protect kids. It's not to make the couple happy and proud. In that context, marriage certificate is merely a legal document that allows the state to go after the registered couple and compel them to support their children. Weddings and other ceremonies are just a theater to make the females feel good, if only for that moment.

Third, people are brainless sheep. Majority of Germans adored Hitler up to Stalingrad. Majority viewed Hillary as an honest and upstanding American. So much for the majority acceptance as anything worth spending more than a second.

Poland remains an arch-conservative society, a culture in which the Catholic Church alone pulled that country through the worst of times, it was the glue which held the nation together, similar in a way to the German language for Germany.

Homosexuality threatens to "unglue" Poland, and people simply aren't going to stand for it!
Open-minded as I try to be here at home, I for one can't really blame them.

Well....

You know Lyzko that there are plenty of gays who go to church and many gay priests ?

And fourth, not a single word you've written has anything to do with the topic.


It's certainly going that way. All the fuss about it seems to have achieved nothing.

I don't know many conservatives that really care about the gay marriage or agenda one way or the other. I think the only thing that bothers them (and me), are the parades with assless chaps, waving dildos, and making provocative gestures in the streets. Those sorts of displays certainly do their movement no favors.

That doesn't make it acceptable to a traditional interpretation of Church teaching.

Seen much of that in Poland, have you?

Not even one? Really? Let's see.


That's I wrote. Now, the title of the OP:
Poles against gay marriages.
Do you find some similarity between what I wrote and the title, or do you need some help?

Simply speaking, live and let live.
Isn`t it one of the aspects of British lifestyle? Knowing that the recent Polish emigration is the highest in Britain (of all European countries), we might be tempted to presume that the changes in Polish opinions on gay marriage are partly caused by the influence of British culture.

70% British accept gay marriages brin.ac.uk/figures/attitudes-towards-gay-rights/

Just a random supposition, not necessarily true.

Very true Lyzko and these "Liberals"posting on here can post statistics and polls all they want,but most Poles will not share their true opinions with pollsters.So their "facts" are actually worthless.

Can you list all the perversions covered by that noble rule? Incest, bestiality? How about necrophilia? Is having an intercourse with a dead body rape? Why not let guys marry a corps?

Just trying to be helpful. Now, you can even research what Poles think about what I just listed. It would very interesting, don't you think?

True. The main goal of marriage is procreation. So we can discuss acceptance [or lack of thereof] of homosexual relationships and their legal status in Poland and not a support for homosexual marriages.

So do you want to call it gay weddings and living together? I don`t care how we call it, because we are talking about facts, not words.

No just gays living together,if there is no marriage there is no wedding.
Duh!!

OK, let's talk facts. "Gay marriage" is a scam. It's designed to rip off private insurance companies and the taxpayers. The rip off is that the "partner", which was the beginning of it, gets medical insurance if the other one works and is covered. Which, of course, originally was meant for the females during pregnancy and after the birth of a child.

That "partner" type scam was based on a self-declared "romantic" relationship. Effectively, since a live demo of two guys f***king in the HR office was not required, any two guys could be "partners". Like two hetero roommates. To avoid this problem, "partners" had to be promoted to "husband" and "wife" by a certification process by the state. Mission accomplished.

So, what does the society get for the money? S***. Oops, sorry, a promise that if married, their promiscuity will be reduced to a more acceptable level and the number of AIDS cases reduced. I am so grateful.

Are we talking "fake news" aka false facts here, Milo?

Do you mean the interviewer effect? When respondents modify their answers depending on the interviewer`s style and personality? E.g., a gay interviewer of nice appearance and demeanour is sent to poll people and he/she doesn`t keep his/her preferences secret. Then people are prone to answer positively in order to satisfy the gay interviewer`s expectations.

I certainly think so,don't you?

Might be.

No pawian, the naming is very important. Distorting a true meaning of words and ideas is a powerful tool of manipulation over a whole society.

If you control the language, you control the argument
If you control the argument, you control information
If you control information, you control history
If you control history, you control the past
He who controls the past controls the future."

George Orwell "1984"

Spot on.
Hence, gay, not homosexual. Partner, not a rectum carrier. Progressive, not a liberal moron. Police action, not a stupid war were people die.
And I am just barely scratching the surface.

Sorry, no, I am not such an expert.


Hmm, let me think. The phenomena you mentioned are not really ethical because they involve hurting a person/people or animal.

In case of gay marriages/weddings/partnerships etc nobody is hurt because they do it out of choice.

Words communicate facts, pawian, and so I don't really see your point.

Shouldn't Poland grasp the concept of diversity and follow the views of refugees from Africa on the subject?

Not really,though that may play a part.
Here in The UK people are loathe to espouse right wing or conservative views to pollsters,Poles even more so.

That sounds very emphatic and decisive. Do you suggest that most or even all gay "marriages" are purely motivated by financial reasons?

Let's avoid trying to instruct other nations on what they "should" or "shouldn't" do! It's a losing battle. Easy to be ethnocentric, tough to understand certain attitudes based on the lessons of the past.

Thus far, Poland has never tried to impose her views on her neighbors, and it's not likely she's going to either,
having learned the lessons of history:-)