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Left-wing agitators in Poland


Intermarium 11 | 64
22 Jan 2019  #1
Antifa and other far-left groups have made a habit of attempting to disrupt, shut down, and violently attack right-wing and even moderate conservative events in the US, Germany, UK, etc.

Are there any instances of this going on in Poland?
cms neuf - | 795
22 Jan 2019  #2
Yes if you wanted to have a far right demo in Poland that would probably attract a counter demo if it was in a large town.

If you want to dress up and run around the forest they would probably leave you to it.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
22 Jan 2019  #3
I've always thought of Antifa to be an Oxymoronic term.
OP Intermarium 11 | 64
22 Jan 2019  #4
I know what you mean, but the term fascism is used incorrectly by people all over the political spectrum as an insult to mean totalitarian.

Antifa is in fact against fascism (as well as white people, men, Christianity, decency, etc.), but they're certainly not against totalitarianism.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
22 Jan 2019  #5
Fascism is characterised by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society, which is exactly how Antifa behave.

twitter.com/bchapman151/status/972646835654361088
OP Intermarium 11 | 64
22 Jan 2019  #6
Those elements are certainly part of fascism, but the ultranationalist element would not apply to leftists. The Wikipedia definition includes what you wrote but also adds that fascism is a radical form of authoritarian ultranationalism.

Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc. were not fascists in my book.

It may be splitting hairs, and I'm certainly not defending Antifa in any way.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,144
24 Jan 2019  #7
Antifa and other far-left groups have made a habit of attempting to disrupt, shut down, and violently attack

Yes, but they are a tiny group hated by just about everyone - nationalists, average citizens and even the government - and are regularly beat up by football hools and other nationalists with impunity. Antifa is often referred to as anti-haha because they are a joke.

Here's an example of the way Antifa types are treated in Poland:

On the recent Independence Day march, a group of leftist Antifa types unfurled a banner criticizing the marchers. They called the nationalists fascists, racists, islamaphobes - you know the regular ists and isms. Polish nationalists aren't bothered by this though since they embrace their pro-Polish, pro-social conservative identity. It's like telling a woman her hair looks good. Anyway, the nationalists beat the crap out of the Antifas. The Antifa cried and whined, then went to the police to snitch like the rats that they are. At first, the police and prosecutor said they'd do something about it, launch an investigation, etc. Well, nothing happened of course. The Antifa questioned the police/prosecutor as to why nothing happened. The prosecutor/police stated publicly that there is simply no public interest in their case and no one cares. Secretly, they applaud the nationalists handling of Antifa (The year before that cops hog tied a bunch of the antifas who were blocking the march like usual and threw them face first on the floor of a police van). Then, to top it off the police/prosecutor charged THEM with illegally obstructing a march hahahahahahahahha

True story. And that's why I love Poland. Where in other countries the government and MSM constantly coddle the Antifa types and excuse their violence and vandalism, in Poland it's the opposite. No one likes them even the government.
Spike31 2 | 860
24 Jan 2019  #8
Are there any instances of this going on in Poland?

Every country has its fair share of useful idiots. No offence there, this term was coined by Bolsheviks when referring to Western communist supporters and fits perfectly to describe modern neo-marxists and sjw's.

Yet in Poland extreme leftism is much less widespread than in countries such as France, Germany or Spain.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
24 Jan 2019  #9
And yet there is some tacit support for Antfa from the left. In America Antifa is described as the paramilitary wing of the Democratic Party and are able to cause mayhem in many areas and the police do nothing to stop them.

It would not surprise me if Antifa got financial support from groups like Open Dialogue (Soros) via some EU funding.
OP Intermarium 11 | 64
24 Jan 2019  #10
Yes, it seems like Antifa basically serves as the deep state's political police in America.

This is encouraging to hear about Poland.

Any thoughts about what right-wing Poles would think about a right-wing German or American who moves to Poland to escape the leftist madness and makes an attempt to assimilate into Polish culture? Would this person be accepted?
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
24 Jan 2019  #11
IMV Poles are against LGBT, Muslims and Bolsheviks, I think they could accept everyone else :)....
cms neuf - | 795
24 Jan 2019  #12
I doubt it - most of those people live in small towns and have low education so will not differentiate between different kinds of foreigners.

Still if you buy your fair share of warka strong and cheap speed they might invite you to one of their tragicomic events.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,144
24 Jan 2019  #13
@Intermarium

Yes. Poles are welcoming of such people. Americans in particular are liked amongst poles as poles have been going to and from the us for centuries. What cms is saying is patently untrue. Poles dont mind people from foreign countries and you will be welcomed esp if you make an attempt to lesrn the language. For one, NOP which is arguably one of the most far right groups in poland has offices in every city. Second, every cities soccer team has fans aka kibole almost all of whom identify with right wing conservative values. Third, pis and kukiz combined dominate the majoritys share of votes. Even amongst the more liberal PO things like gay marraige and taking in migrants arent popular. If PO were in the us theyd be considered closer to republicans than democrats. Ideas like tranny bathrooms or allowing them to serve in the military arent even discussed.

The 200k plus attendants in warsaw alone at the independence day march speaks for itself...
delphiandomine 83 | 17,531
24 Jan 2019  #14
Third, pis and kukiz combined dominate the majoritys share of votes.

Not anymore. The provincial elections were around 52-48% in favour of liberal parties, and liberal parties won the most seats.

The other thing is that if someone hears him speaking German in public, he might well get a punch for speaking German. It won't matter if he's left or right wing, because they'll attack him first.

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/270263,University-professor-beaten-up-on-Warsaw-tram-for-speaking-German
Jaskier
24 Jan 2019  #15
My boyfriend had problems twice for speaking English with me. Alnost got beaten And there was one more tine when I was in a pub with few ppl of different nationalities so we spoke English and again two morons at next table started stupid comments

So yeah, Poles love foreigners...Buahaha

Most Poles are of course normal, welcoming ppl but you have some silly, usually very simple minded nationalistic types
delphiandomine 83 | 17,531
24 Jan 2019  #16
two morons at next table started stupid comments

Two guys did the same to a friend of mine in the pub. My friend stood up, kicked over the table, grabbed one of them by the throat and pinned him to the wall.

Quite amusing to watch how tough guys suddenly started begging for their lives when they realised that they'd just messed with a Polish guy who was obviously capable of handling himself. He dropped the guy to the ground, then told both of them to clean the mess up and to buy drinks for the bartenders to apologise for the trouble that they caused.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,386
24 Jan 2019  #17
My boyfriend had problems twice for speaking English with me.

Stop talking rubbish , I have lived in and travelled around Poland for the last six years and NEVER had any problems talking English to my English wife, including this years independence day march.
Jaskier
24 Jan 2019  #18
My exppirience is tubbish? Just because you didn't exppirience the same? Go eat a snikers diva.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,531
24 Jan 2019  #19
NEVER had any problems talking English to my English wife

You're quite unique then, because most English speakers have had trouble at some point or another. There's plenty of insecure arseholes who can't stand foreign languages being spoken, though most of the hatred these days is aimed at Ukrainians and dark-skinned people.
Ironside 47 | 9,544
24 Jan 2019  #20
kicked over the table, grabbed one of them

so, that is an assault and destruction of property,,,,,why would you condone it?

most English speakers have had trouble at some point or another.

hmm any research or just your own experience?
dolnoslask 5 | 2,386
24 Jan 2019  #21
because most English speakers have had trouble at some point or another.

Well unless folks have been out to cause bother themselves, I can't see it, I know loads of English speakers that live in Poland and the villages around where I live and never has anyone said to me that they have had problems because they speak English, many have been here for more than ten and one more than thirty years going back to the commie days.

Come to think of it Never seen a German get any stick for speaking German when I speak English most reply in German thinking I can speak German , now if your logic is right about Poles being racist and xenophobic I should have got a right kicking by now.

Yeah I have seen bureaucrats get arsy with the wife they pretend they know no English sometimes, but that is to be expected from commies, and boy do I ask them if they are commies when they are arsey and boy do they hate it.
OP Intermarium 11 | 64
24 Jan 2019  #22
Those professors beaten up in the tram probably deserved it. Most German professors are self-righteous arrogant soy boys.

The Polish attacker warned him first, and the professor gave some response that enraged him.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,485
24 Jan 2019  #23
I back Dolno.
I have never had even a hint of a problem when speaking English.
Jaskier
24 Jan 2019  #24
Maybe the age and sex makes difference? From what I gather Dolno is not the youngest and it's him being Polish. We were in our 20 and it's me being Polish so maybe they got worse because of that 'they steel our women' crap
Lyzko 20 | 6,038
24 Jan 2019  #25
I never even tried, Milo, although when several young folks whom I met along the way while strolling with a German acquaintance through the streets of Szczecin wanted to speak English to us, neither, especially I, could barely understand them:-) When I asked even the simplest baby question to one of them such as "How long do you live here?" (and not correct grammatically eitherLOL), the young man froze up and sheepishly nodded, answering "Yes, I haven't". Could I have asked an easier question?

Scintillating conversation. What's your secret?
:-)
dolnoslask 5 | 2,386
24 Jan 2019  #26
We were in our 20 and it's me being Polish so maybe they got worse because of that 'they steel our women' crap

Yep I understand that completely and now knowing your circumstances I apologise for my "rubbish" remark

But guess what, I met my wife when I was 21 in the UK and I got stick for being with her (also from some girls in the polish community), admittedly not anything like a black guy with a white girl.

But these are hormonal times and night clubs and bars are more like ritual mating grounds for the young , so not surprising that drunkard young bucks find any excuse to fight over and try to impress (lol) a pretty girl.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,531
24 Jan 2019  #27
Those professors beaten up in the tram probably deserved it. Most German professors are self-righteous arrogant soy boys.

Astonishing to see a German advocate violence towards Polish professors. Those of us who know Polish history know that there's a long history of Germans advocating violence towards Polish academics.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,485
24 Jan 2019  #28
What's your secret?

I wasn't speaking to Poles in English.I can speak Polish.
I was speaking to my wife,who can't.
OP Intermarium 11 | 64
24 Jan 2019  #29
@delphiandomine
That's a bit of a stretch. I'm not advocating violence, and certainly not against Poles.

My point is that these two professors (one of whom is Polish) were likely acting in a patronizing and arrogant manner (typical of German academics) that triggered this person to attack them.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,607
24 Jan 2019  #30
Why should a Pole care if one professor is acting "patronizing and arrogant" to his collegue?

A history professor from the University of Warsaw has been beaten up on a tram in the Polish capital after he was heard speaking German to a colleague.

And as I understand the article the polish professor Kochanowski had been beaten up for speaking german to his collegue from Jena...not the german professor...

But hey, the attacker was drunk...probably needing an outlet for his miserable life. At least he didn't had a knife on him...


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