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Going to Poland in a hijab - Polish people and Islam


Levi 12 | 450
2 Feb 2016 #91
Yeah! just like the catholic robes and rosaries.

They are already illegal at most muslim countries, example here where i live.

Article 53 of the Polish constitution clearly states that everyone has the right to practice any religion of their choice.

If that practice include put others safety in risk, than it is not valid.

(It is funny how you try to justify religious oppresion at middle east but defend it at Europe).
WaleedAly - | 10
2 Feb 2016 #92
example here where i live

Where do you live?

If that practice include put others safety in risk, than it is not valid.

A woman or a girl wearing Hijab put others in RISK ?!!!! how?

we are taking about a peace of clothe covering the hear, how this going to put anyone at RISK?
InPolska 11 | 1,821
2 Feb 2016 #93
Waleed = Levy and vice versa! Completely obvious!
istannbullu34 1 | 105
2 Feb 2016 #94
Poland is homogeneous country that even when you are have darker skin, people will be staring you on the streets- do not want to exaggerate but you will feel it most of the time.

You wont be able to socialize comfortably, especially your wife with hijab will have more problems with that.

As most of the people said, most probably you will have people staring at you but physical intervention is unlikely but not impossible.

This is not a country for Muslims to live if they are connected with their values, if the case is that you want to live here.
Levi 12 | 450
2 Feb 2016 #95
Where do you live?

Ksa

A woman or a girl wearing Hijab put others in RISK ?!!!! how?

For the same reason that you cannot enter with a motorcycle helmet at a bank.
WaleedAly - | 10
2 Feb 2016 #96
Ksa

I lived in Saudi Arabia for 12 years it was a very hard time. They only force their traditions not an Islam thing for women to wear black.

my Sister was 12 years old and she was forced to wear Hijab and black dress.

What is happening in Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic thing it is Saudi's Government enforcing their traditions.

Even Muslims think that KSA enforcing of this is wrong.

In Most of other Muslim countries you can wear whatever you want, it is your own decision.
and you are allowed to practice any religion you want, Muslim Countries don't force.
The Islam itself have a rule that you shouldn't force anyone to do anything, what is happening in KSA is purely their own decision.

there are 50 or mor muslim countries in the world, only two of them force their culture clothes (KSA and Iran) that is 4% you can't say that Muslims force anything on others with this percentage.

For the same reason that you cannot enter with a motorcycle helmet at a bank.

a motorcycle helmet will be covering your face, and here in Egypt if you are wearing a Helmet that doesn't cover your face (cover only your head) you will be allowed to enter the Bank as this will not be a risk as you still see the face.

if your argument is valid then a nun can't enter a Bank also!! But they do enter Banks.
Roger5 1 | 1,455
2 Feb 2016 #97
Muslim Countries don't force.

If someone born into a Muslim family grows up and decides that they do not believe in Islam, or they want to follow another religion, is there any force to make them stay in?
WaleedAly - | 10
2 Feb 2016 #98
Only his family, and that will depend on the reaction of the family if they accept this or not.

i mean that nothing can force him, but his family might react to this and this reaction will vary from one family to another.

I know 2 Muslims who decided that they don't believe in Islam anymore, and their families accepted their decision.

But there was a case in Egypt of a musilm girl which was killed by her family for doing so.

and another girl (christian) which wanted to convert to Islam and her family killed her.

it is not about the religion it is totally about the mindset of the people.
Roger5 1 | 1,455
2 Feb 2016 #99
I thought that the punishment for apostasy was death, and that this was clearly set out in Islamic scripture and the following writings. I hope I'm wrong.
WaleedAly - | 10
2 Feb 2016 #100
In KSA and Iran it is punished by death in other Muslim countries it is not punished.
mafketis 34 | 11,611
2 Feb 2016 #101
As of a couple of years ago 88% of Egyptian muslims supported the death penalty for apostasy...

I realize that sometimes people say things to pollsters they don't believe, but that has got to worry anyone who would like for Egypt to join the 21st century. There is no way that a country with that type of belief system (no matter where it's from) can dig itself out of poverty.

washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/
Roger5 1 | 1,455
2 Feb 2016 #102
other Muslim countries it is not punished.

Pakistan? Afghanistan? I asked about what was in the Holy writings. Surely, if the Koran says the punishment for apostasy is death, that it non-negotiable. Or is it that, as with, e.g. Christianity, it depends on interpretation? I thought scripture was clear. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
Hellooo - | 28
2 Feb 2016 #103
Roger5
In your bible
the bible says the punishment for apostasy is death
Deuteronomy 13:6-11New International Version (NIV)

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

New International Version (NIV)
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Roger5 1 | 1,455
2 Feb 2016 #104
In your bible

It's not my bible. I am an apostate.
Deuteronomy is the fifth book of the Torah. Christians refer to the New Testament (apart from a few fundamentalists who use it to back up their prejudices).

Does any state in the world use the Torah as its law code?
Hellooo - | 28
2 Feb 2016 #105
The problem about Christians that they don't read them book and they don't know them religion
Before we speak about the koran you need to read your book first
Roger5 1 | 1,455
2 Feb 2016 #106
You can quote Leviticus if you like, but I don't think you'd find anyone even in Texas who lives by it.
Traveler 1
2 Feb 2016 #107
Wro1010, why quote the Polish constitution in relation to the hijab? The hijab is not decreed by religion per say. More a form of covering to distinguish male from female or ward of unwanted sexual advances in Muslim countries. Head coverings are practiced in catholocism,judasism and Islam. The European court of human rights upheld France's ban on face coverings in public, so I think you are on to plums hijacking the Polish constitution for your personal quest. As an aside, I quite like to see people in traditional dress representing their cultures, when law decrees a ban in public places on a style of dress, as good Europeans we follow the rules. You may want to take into consideration other people above your own as a good Muslim and guest in Poland should.
Levi 12 | 450
2 Feb 2016 #108
The problem about Christians that they don't read them book and they don't know them religion

The law for christians are those from the New Testament. The old testament are the laws for Jews.

But of course as another radical mosl1m, you know nothing about us.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
2 Feb 2016 #109
Article 53 of the Polish constitution clearly states that everyone has the right to practice any religion of their choice.

RELIGION not a nasty cult !
Hellooo - | 28
2 Feb 2016 #110
Levi

The Bible is a bible (one Jesus one book) ,there is no new or old books or maybe Version 2016 :)
You have the catholic roman Version Douay-Rheims Bible and this bible has 73 books
And you have the bible king James version and this bible has 73 books .witch i think you believe that is Apocrypha
The version R.S.V the oldest version
I don't want to be out for this topic but tell me how you know you religion with all this books witch one is the real ?

Every true Christians love's Muslims and every true Muslims love Christians
I have a lot of Christians friends (my wife she is christian) and i'm a Muslim
Don't be radical
mafketis 34 | 11,611
3 Feb 2016 #111
The Bible is a bible (one Jesus one book) ,there is no new or old books or maybe Version 2016 :)

Most (if not all) Christians divide the Old Testament from the New Testament. When there is a contradiction they follow the New Testament which has primacy.

(nb I'm not a Christian though I was raised in a protestant milieu)
Wroclaw1010 3 | 91
3 Feb 2016 #112
The old testament are the laws for Jews.

This just shows how ignorant you are of your own religion. You should be ashamed of it.
Matthew 5:17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

What kind of Christianity do you practice?
johnny reb 32 | 6,837
3 Feb 2016 #113
The law for christians are those from the New Testament.

Matthew 5:17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law

Matthew is in the New Testament, is it not ?
Matthew 5:17 speaks of the law which is the first five books of the Jewish scripture in the old testament.
Jesus fulfilled the law in the sense that He gave it full meaning.
He emphasized its underlying principles and total commitment to it rather than mere external acknowledgment and obedience to it.
Levi 12 | 450
3 Feb 2016 #114
What kind of Christianity do you practice?

The only one.

Which is the one that doesn't abuse woman or stone people, like your wahabbi cult.

Jesus fulfilled the law in the sense that He gave it full meaning.

Exactly. But it is funny to see moslems disagreeing with that like Wroclaw1010.
Wroclaw1010 3 | 91
3 Feb 2016 #115
Jesus fulfilled the law in the sense that He gave it full meaning.

But it is funny to see moslems disagreeing with that like Wroclaw1010.

In what sense was it fulfilled? I don't want opinions. Give me biblical proves.
Honest Pole
3 Feb 2016 #116
Hi, Im a half Polish and half Arab girl, and also a Muslim, I've lived in poland until the age of ten

Are you darkskinned? There are quite a lot of racists and and people who hate islam in Poland and I heard about some muslim women in hijabs being assaulted or fired from work in Poland.
Levi 12 | 450
3 Feb 2016 #117
You are racist against races.

Not against political systems or religions (and Islam is both). If you, me, or anyone else is against it, it is NOT racism.

If you say "Blacks are a inferior race" -> This is racism.

If you say "I don't want Sharia law at Poland" or "I hate communism" -> This is NOT racism.

(It is so obvious that surprises me how moronic someone need to be to confuse both).
johnny reb 32 | 6,837
3 Feb 2016 #118
Give me biblical proves.

Proves ? Read Mathew Chapter 5, 6 and 7. All your proves are there and none are my opinion.
They are all the inspired words of Jesus, not mine.
Jesus is not speaking against observing all the requirements of the law, He is speaking against hypocritical Pharisaical legalism.
Such legalism was not the keeping of all the details of the law but the hollow sham of keeping laws externally to gain merit with God while breaking them inwardly.

It was following the letter of the law while ignoring it's spirit.
Jesus rejected the Pharisees interpretation of the law and their view of righteousness by works.
He preaches righteousness that comes only through faith in him and his work.
Read Ephesians 2:8 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so no one can boast."

That is why I just shake my head and bite my tongue when some unsaved soul thinks they have their fire insurance because they donated money to the poor, gave a bushel of potato's out of their garden to their poor neighbor, put twenty squid in the offering plate on Sunday, help his neighbor paint his house, does good works daily, is a very nice well mannered person, etc. is all it takes to get to heaven.

I hope that helps you with your question 1010 to "what kind of fulfillment of the law ?"
If not, PM me because the unsaved on this site are blinded and think this is nothing but silliness and love to mock and argue scripture.
Wroclaw1010 3 | 91
5 Feb 2016 #119
Yes please that will be a great help for me.

Salaam bro, according to the information i gathered in the mosque today, people will only stare at your wife in summer(because they think is too hot for her to cover herself up) but no one will even notice during the cold periods. Some of the men claim to have had some run-ins but none was serious. I will send you a private message.......
Wulkan - | 3,243
6 Feb 2016 #120
because they think is too hot for her to cover herself up

Because it is, in the middle east she has put up with it or she gets raped, here she has no reason to do that.


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