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Expats` opinion on alien immigration to Poland - for or against?


pawian 157 | 9,053
27 Sep 2015  #1
I would like to ask expats residing in Poland if they support alien immigration to this country. Alien means racially, culturally and religiously different than Poles themselves.

Polish public opinion is fairly united on the issue: various polls reveal that the vast majority of Poles don`t support mass foreign immigration from exotic, culturally alien countries.

"We don't want terrorists here," the Polish pensioner says, when asked about EU plans to resettle refugees more broadly across the continent. "Have you seen what they're doing in the west?"

theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/poles-dont-want-immigrants-they-dont-understand-them-dont-like-them

They fear that the problems already present in Western Europe might also take place in Poland - religious and political radicalism, imposition of alien customs, refusal of integration, social tensions etc.

So, the question is: would you prefer Poland to stay such as now:

or have nothing against such views as you can see in :

UK

s

Germany

Sweden

etc etc
don`t forget those drastic ones, too, e.g.,

France

riot

Holland

etc etc
InPolska 11 | 1,821
27 Sep 2015  #2
Why posting only negative pictures? Do you think Western Europe looks like this? Trust me, it does NOT.
johnny reb 16 | 3,444
27 Sep 2015  #3
We already know what the expat Muslim Brothers and Progressive Liberals thinks by reading the other thread.
This is nothing more then a loaded question in favor for.
Well naturally all the expat Muslim Brothers are welcoming their Muslim Brothers with open arms.
Just read the posts in the other thread of how they "sensationalize" for their Bro's and "minimize" the dirty facts.

This concerns Polish culture not expat guests in Poland so your question is pointless.
OP pawian 157 | 9,053
27 Sep 2015  #4
Why posting only negative pictures? Do you think Western Europe looks like this? Trust me, it does NOT.

Hmm..... I am afraid your computer failed to open all the pics I posted. Check it, please. :)

Of course I DO realise it does NOT always look so.

This concerns Polish culture not expat guests in Poland so your question is pointless.

Excuse me, sir, my question isn`t pointless, it is a justified produce of the dillemma which nurtures me. I don`t care about Polish opinion because I already know it. I want to know expats` opinions.

It seems I got to know yours as first. Thank you very much for your cooperation.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,449
27 Sep 2015  #5
negative pictures?

People praying in a mosque is a negative picture? Shoppers on a street, a school class photo -- nothing negative about those either.
OP pawian 157 | 9,053
27 Sep 2015  #6
Polo, relax, please. Just technical problems with the computer.....
AlfGarnet
27 Sep 2015  #7
All the countries you point out are 1st world countries and are generally wealthy compared to inward mono culture Poland.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,449
27 Sep 2015  #8
1st world countries

The point is there are many multi-culti countrries about -- why can't there be just a few for people who identify with their own cultural heritage? There's nothing wrong with that.
AlfGarnet
27 Sep 2015  #9
What cultural heritage ? You were under the control of Germany and Russia, you marry into British culture. Poles are in America etc. What culture ?. Do you mean that you like to propagate the world and receive an income from it but it can't happen the other way around.

I have no problem you wanting to keep Poland white, Christian and home of the Polska, but, leave the EU, stop receiving money to build your country from these country's that have Muslims in it.

You do realise that money from the other EU member states has Muslim taxs in there, Muslim money is spent on Polish infrastructure.

But like I say I have no problem, you run your own country, but, leave the EU and then you are free to rule your own land as you wish.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,449
27 Sep 2015  #10
leave the EU

I surely don't know the vast mountain of Brussels-sprout paperwork by heart, but I strongly doubt whether there is any paragraph, point, subpoint or other proviso demanding of EU members forced cultural mongrelisation. Yes, Polish culture has been diluted by the partitions, Hitler, Stalin and now by the excessive import of America's cheap and tawdry commercial popculture. Nevertheless, there will exists a basic body of traditions, values and beliefs which could be referred to a the Polish heritage. The EU do not demand that it be further undermined, diluted or otherwise tampered with, do they?
Ironside 47 | 9,622
27 Sep 2015  #11
What cultural heritage ?

What do you mean by that? Educate yourself instead of flouting your ignorance in here. Ignorance is nothing to be proud off.

You were under the control of Germany and Russia

What it has to do with cultural heritage?

Do you mean that you like to propagate the world and receive an income from it but it can't happen the other way around.

What are you driving at? What about all those countries and continents that Brits propagated and have been striping form resources for their own benefit? Your corporations still do it!

Also there billions of profits being taken out of Poland by foreign companies every year, you seems to be short on information and rich in opinions.

have no problem you wanting to keep Poland white, Christian and home of the Polska, but, leave the EU, stop receiving money to build your country from these country's that have Muslims in it.

Well, thank you for your permission kind sir.
Yes, I think that Poland should leave the EU and show it a middle finger for all good she received.

You do realise that money from the other EU member states has Muslim taxs in there, Muslim money is spent on Polish infrastructure.

Do your realize that those money are nothing in comparisons to profits that western companies have in Poland thank to open market. As for Muslim paying taxes , don't make me laugh, everybody are paying taxes - so what?Are you Muslim or just sad and lonely?

But like I say I have no problem,

In the light of your posts here I think that indeed you have many problems. Why don't you come clean and tell us all about it?
OP pawian 157 | 9,053
27 Sep 2015  #12
What cultural heritage ?

What do you mean by that? Educate yourself instead of flouting your ignorance in here. Ignorance is nothing to be proud off.

Alf probably suggests that Poland`s cultural heritage is too poor to attract native Poles and make them stay in the country instead of going to live abroad.
Wulkan - | 3,251
27 Sep 2015  #13
You do realise that money from the other EU member states has Muslim taxs in there

Yes, from the whole minority who don't live on a welfare and work for a change.
Jardinero 1 | 394
27 Sep 2015  #14
Any studies/references to back that up, please? Or is it just your gut feeling?
Wulkan - | 3,251
27 Sep 2015  #15
Any studies/references to back that up, please?

doing the homework yourself you'll memorize it better :-)
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
27 Sep 2015  #16
What cultural heritage ? You were under the control of Germany and Russia, you marry into British culture. Poles are in America etc. What culture ?

LOL ! Another moron.

leave the EU

Hopefully soon.
cms 9 | 1,272
27 Sep 2015  #17
Put me in the against column. Too many risks, high costs and no undisputed benefits. Generally im a liberal but I see no need to adopt such a divisive policy.
OP pawian 157 | 9,053
27 Sep 2015  #18
Put me in the against column.

Sure. Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Too many risks, high costs and no undisputed benefits.

But it is claimed that immigrants contribute to country`s development and prosperity. E.g., in Germany which is so willing to accept refugees.

wsj.com/articles/study-finds-germany-is-benefitting-from-immigration-1417103495

Foreigners paid on average €3,300 ($4,127) more in taxes and social security contributions in 2012 than they took out in benefits, generating a €22 billion surplus for the public coffers that year,
syrian93
27 Sep 2015  #19
As a Syrian pole who has lived most of his life in Syria and now resides in Poland, I tell you this :

---the pictures that were posted aren't related to syrians in a sense that :
1-you won't see masses praying in the streets
2-you won't see syrians rallying to impose sharia law or whatsoever

---My opinion is that Poland (And other EU countries) should accept Syrian refugees after doing some background check before allowing anyone in, nevertheless I don't think that syrians will affect polish culture (or values) in any way

---In These two years of my staying in poland no one batted when i said i was from syria, until recently, I started getting weird looks when i said i was syrian, weird looks that vanished after i responded to the question "why are you here in poland" me :" bo lubie wodke" , some of the young people that gave me these weird looks explained that "a syrian well get a job faster than them ,while they cannot find any jobs" , i don't know where that reasoning came from , but it's completely false .

---Syrians have been immigrating to europe and north america for years before the beginning of the war, most noticeably a big community in Sweden and Canada, and there were never reports about Syrians creating problems or threatening the stability of these countries .
Ironside 47 | 9,622
27 Sep 2015  #20
As a Syrian pole

Are you Muslim ?
syrian93
27 Sep 2015  #21
My parents are christians and I am agnostic, how is it related ?
Ironside 47 | 9,622
27 Sep 2015  #22
Just curious that is, after all nobody have anything against Syrians,they have interesting history, but Muslims are different matter. Anyhow at least you have some connection to Poland even though you are a Syrian pole and not a Syrian Pole.
OP pawian 157 | 9,053
27 Sep 2015  #23
---the pictures that were posted aren't related to syrians in a sense that :
1-you won't see masses praying in the streets
2-you won't see syrians rallying to impose sharia law or whatsoever

Thank you for dissipating stereotyped fears. Actually, Poles don`t discern such sublime differences between groups of refugees/immigrants.
syrian93
27 Sep 2015  #24
after all nobody have anything against Syrians,they have interesting history, but Muslims are different matter.

Well.. the majority of Syrians are muslims, the problem in Poland is that there is a strong stereotypical idea about the characteristics of any person with "muslim" faith, whereas muslims do differ greatly depending on the country they come from and their background ..
johnny reb 16 | 3,444
27 Sep 2015  #25
I have no problem you wanting to keep Poland white, Christian and home of the Polska, but, leave the EU, stop receiving money to build your country from these country's that have Muslims in it.

Wouldn't it be more practical if the Muslims left the EU and went back home where they belong?

But like I say I have no problem, you run your own country, but, leave the EU and then you are free to rule your own land as you wish.

Same goes for you Alfie and don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on your way back home to Islamistan.
Poland doesn't tolerate Muslims telling them what to do.
syrian93
27 Sep 2015  #26
Wouldn't it be more practical if the Muslims left the EU and went back home where they belong?

And christians also should leave EU and go back to the middle east , where christianity began, that would be lovely ...
Polsyr 6 | 769
27 Sep 2015  #27
Oh wait. I am not the sole Syrian Pole here anymore? Oh well. I don't qualify as an expat anymore so no opinion.
Ironside 47 | 9,622
27 Sep 2015  #28
in Poland is that there is a strong stereotypical idea about the characteristics of any person with "muslim" faith, whereas muslims do differ greatly depending on the country they come from and their background ..

See, I know that all, when the sythe hits the fan or as some say ventilator, that when problems starts, why not avoid it all together? but Muslim are Muslim and they will not fit into country like Poland. Very few - maybe, few more - no thank you!

I have seen Bosnia in the 90' first hand. Thank you.
Saying that I know some Muslim are great people, I do respect them and their faith and I expect them to do the same if not I have a sword and know how to use it:) do not take me wrong, but they belong In the house of Islam and that House is not in Poland, God willing.
johnny reb 16 | 3,444
27 Sep 2015  #29
And christians also should leave EU

Why, Christians are not a drain to the E.U. and demanding like the Muslims are.
I wonder if a Christian went to say Iran if Iran would offer me welfare and religious rights.
Then have me tell them that all Muslims should leave Iran.
Don't be a fool, fool.
syrian93
27 Sep 2015  #30
but they belong In the house of Islam and that House is not in Poland

Hmmm , according to the polish constitution "freedom of religion is ensured to everyone",so until they change that to "Poland is a catholic country" ,it's not accurate to say that poland isn't a house (of any religion)

The idea of secularism and that religion should be separated from the state isn't strange for syrians , since Syria is a secular state . So the concept of people respecting different religious beliefs is well known and practiced in Syria .

why not avoid it all together?

What problems ? It seems that syrians (muslims and christians) are doing well in countries like Sweden and Canada, we need some time to judge how the newcomers will integrate in germany , but i'm pretty sure Syrians won't do any trouble.

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