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As EuroPride visits Warsaw - is it the start of overdue social change in Poland? (homosexuality promotion)


aphrodisiac 11 | 2437
19 Jul 2010 #91
during the communism Poland did not discuss homosexuality even though there were as many homosexuals as they are now. The openness of addressing the issue is a bigger problem at the moment then the mere existence of homosexuality in Poland.

I think that some Poles don't want to discuss certain issues, including homosexuality, because it is an uncomfortable subject and they don't know how to address it.

As with any changes, this one will happen but it will take time. I see it as a process not a one time event.
Ironside 51 | 12520
19 Jul 2010 #92
As with any changes,

did you read the posts ? What are you talking about anyway? who is not willing to discuss ?
Rather you on certain subject are ominously silent !
aphrodisiac 11 | 2437
19 Jul 2010 #93
did you read the posts ?

no, I did not, although I skimmed through, some childish PF stuff ending in personal insults.

What are you talking about anyway?

I am talking about Poland accepting changes in their society, what are you talking about?

who is not willing to discuss ?

I don't call repeating the same old stuff about homosexuality a discussion, do you?

Rather you on certain subject are ominously silent !

that maybe be so, but I don't have to answer to anybody, unless I choose to, since I left the kindergarden a long time ago;)- I talk to my family and friends about real life issues, here I am discussing ideas, provided there is somebody to discuss it with.
Ironside 51 | 12520
19 Jul 2010 #94
some childish PF stuff ending in personal insults.

as usual ....nevertheless here you can say everything unlike the real life ...and there few pearls in ......:)

I am talking about Poland accepting changes in their society,

What changes ? In Poland homosexuals weren't prosecuted, there always were some gays and nobody make a big thing out of it!
Now you coming and announcing some big changes, what changes ? That minorities problem will be forced on majority?

I don't call repeating the same old stuff about homosexuality a discussion, do you?

read my post above your first here ...

that maybe be so, but I don't have to answer to anybody, unless I choose to, since I left the kindergarden a long time ago;)

but is still something to explain (the truth) to some, like me :) you can PM me I can keep quiet !

here I am discussing ideas,

I would like to know with whom I'm discussing at least basic knowledge about the person ....otherwise I wonder about stuff unrelated to the topic !
aphrodisiac 11 | 2437
19 Jul 2010 #95
as usual ....nevertheless here you can say everything unlike the real life ...and there few pearls in ......:)

I write on the net the way I speak in real life, I don't have the need to abuse or offend people who I don't know- it is not fun and it is not fair to them. There are some pearls, but from what i understand those pearls are different for different people:)

What changes ?

being openly gay is a BIG change in Poland, lets not kid ourself about that.

n Poland homosexuals weren't prosecuted, there always were some gays and nobody make a big thing out of it!

they were not because most of them were in closet.

Now you coming and announcing some big changes, what changes ?

I already explained myself.

That minorities problem will be forced on majority?

fighting for minority right have nothing to do with imposing those right on the majority- this is the way I see it. As always, it is the human right issue - nothing less, nothing more.

read my post above your first here ...

OK, I will.

but is still something to explain (the truth) to some, like me :) you can PM me I can keep quiet !

sure, if I ever have the need I will, at the moment I have no need to do that and I better respect my needs, otherwise I am in trouble;)

I would like to know with whom I'm discussing at least basic knowledge about the person ....otherwise I wonder about stuff unrelated to the topic !

on the net you never know who you are discussing things with and that is the nature of the beast. It is your choice to continue to post and discuss things, just like in real life, you can stay, or you can walk away.
Ironside 51 | 12520
19 Jul 2010 #96
on the net you never know who you are discussing things with and that is the nature of the beast.

sure thing but you started as a female here and were doing a good job with really creditable story to it, and then you have rearranged yourself but nobody who knew you was fooled.

The real question remains, were you lying before or are you lying now, and how can you be trusted if you were lying so good!

I know is only THE Internet but still.....
Myself I have only one screen name .....I'm male......Pole........adult.....well-built and tall...!
and that's all I'm willing to share....but that is the truth!
I have never pretended to be a small blonde girl from France!

fighting for minority right have nothing to do with imposing those right on the majority

what right ? the way I see it is fight for privileges !

being openly gay is a BIG change in Poland, lets not kid ourself about that.

its everywhere, if somebody needs it always could and can be open about it !

they were not because most of them were in closet.

I can sympathise with their problems but is their problem and that is that, no need to involve the state into it ....
cheehaw 2 | 263
19 Jul 2010 #97
- I see this dispute has reached the common level of mutual respect and exchanging logical arguments. That's why I stopped posting anything this topic couple of days ago as everyone had already used all real arguments.

pretty common for these subjects. I think emotions get in the way of brain matter.

kind of like PMS. Often it's male PMS. hormonal surges that make them weepy or fiesty.. they have yet to figure out that if the extra hormones were not racing around they would have a much better day and they wouldn't fight with everyone.

I really do think the environment plays a big part in all of this. We live in a very toxic environment. Everyone is affected, some just more than others.

the 'disappearing male' video I posted above is a must watch.

I have a neighbor who claims to have been gay since age 8 or so.. a guy.. his mother did not want 'a gay boy' so put him up for adoption, for that reason at that young age. not kidding.. but his mother was probably the one responsible for his attraction to other little boys.
convex 20 | 3928
19 Jul 2010 #98
do think the environment plays a big part in all of this. We live in a very toxic environment. Everyone is affected, some just more than others.

When wasn't the environment toxic?
cheehaw 2 | 263
19 Jul 2010 #99
a long time ago.

I was allergic to plastics as a kid. I didn't even have to touch it, just getting within a foot or two of the right stuff (those soft squishy plastics) would cause rashes to break out all over my hands and arms. it was horrible.

it went away when I was about 18 or 20 on it's own. I have researched it, they did reformulate certain plastics over the years.

but anyway to me, plastics are a great danger. I am still allergic to epoxies. Most people are, my body just gives me a rude and impossible to ignore warning sign upfront which may actually be a good thing.

Processed foods may require some discussion.

I do a lot of gardening to avoid it.
Bzibzioh
19 Jul 2010 #100
They usually earn more, and pay more in taxes, are less likely to have been convicted of a crime in their lifetime,

Good for them but so what?

and live surprisingly healthy lives.

AIDS?

Homosexuality seems to be a good fix for the global overpopulation problem as well.

So that's why Western countries have massive immigration?

I'm seriously having a hard time seeing the downsides here. Let 'em loose.

I have a problem with recognizing gay marriages. I can only see government retirement funds depleted very shortly - well, they are in trouble already - without them contributing anything. Those spousal retirement programs were introduced as a way to support wife which never worked outside the house while raising children.
ZIMMY 6 | 1601
19 Jul 2010 #101
........started as a female here and were doing a good job with really creditable story to it, and then you have rearranged yourself but nobody who knew you was fooled.

Perhaps a sex change? Maybe she is now a he? .....or whatever. Maybe Aphrodisiac
will continue to change and become a minority......Afrodisiac?
cheehaw 2 | 263
19 Jul 2010 #102
really guys, the environmental factor here really needs a more thorough overview.

I really do know lots of gay people, male and female. Mostly male though. Probably a full 50% of men I have known over the years were either gay or bi-sexual. I can say without a doubt at this point, that most of them, not all, but most of them are not gay by choice. Bi is another matter altogether, there is some truth to the saying that some men (or women) will screw anything.

But beyond that bi factor, this is often an environmental disease.. yes, a disease. Plastics are estrogen imitators and we have been eating them and inhaling their off-gassing.

personally, I don't think it's anything to be proud of.
convex 20 | 3928
19 Jul 2010 #103
Good for them but so what?

So, they're apparently not that bad to have around...

AIDS?

Right, and yet they still live longer than straight people in the US, bizarre.

So that's why Western countries have massive immigration?

No, Western countries have massive immigrations because of worthless governments and their ponzi welfare schemes.

I have a problem with recognizing gay marriages. I can only see government retirement funds depleted very shortly - well, they are in trouble already - without them contributing anything. Those spousal retirement programs were introduced as a way to support wife which never worked outside the house while raising children.

Let them marry. Why not. Just give them a marriage certificate and the same privileges. Either the system is broken, or it isn't. If the overall system is broken, it should be fixed (or better yet, axed).

really guys, the environmental factor here really needs a more thorough overview.

So estrogen imitators cause men to be attracted to men and women to be attracted to women?

Homosexuality isn't exactly a new phenomenon...
pgtx 29 | 3136
19 Jul 2010 #104
Homosexuality isn't exactly a new phenomenon...

exactly, but still people react like they found out last year about that... i don't know, maybe they did... maybe they don't have better problems then gay marriages...
Bzibzioh
19 Jul 2010 #105
So, they're apparently not that bad to have around...

No, they are not. Gays tend to be flamboyant and over-sensitive drama queens but generally nice to have around. Lesbians though are often nasty and angry.

Right, and yet they still live longer than straight people in the US, bizarre.

I'm not so sure about that.

No, Western countries have massive immigrations because of worthless governments and their ponzi welfare schemes.

Well, that too but mostly to support failing retirement system.

If the overall system is broken, it should be fixed (or better yet, axed).

Democrats will never axe it. Who would vote for them then?

exactly, but still people react like they found out last year about that... i don't know, maybe they did... maybe they don't have better problems then gay marriages...

Is there a point somewhere?
cheehaw 2 | 263
19 Jul 2010 #106
No, they are not. Gays tend to be flamboyant and over-sensitive drama queens but generally nice to have around. Lesbians though are often nasty and angry.

yup, that is my experience too.

there is not a single gay bone in my body but I love my gay male friends, they are so much fun. And, they aren't always coming on to me, which is nice.

dykes can be nasty indeed, especially towards other women who don't enjoy their flirtations. I've had some real run ins there over the years. My little sister is a prominent militant lesbian. we have not talked to each other in years.
Ironside 51 | 12520
19 Jul 2010 #107
Perhaps a sex change?

so, why no talk about it?
ZIMMY 6 | 1601
19 Jul 2010 #108
the environmental factor here really needs a more thorough overview.

Men seem to be more feminized, and our culture suffers for it.
At any rate, chemicals in our environment seem to disproportionately affect men.
dailysciencedose.com/water-pollution-is-making-men-less-fertile
cheehaw 2 | 263
19 Jul 2010 #109
At any rate, chemicals in our environment seem to disproportionately affect men.

because plastics are estrogen imitators, estrogen is a female hormone.

Soybean is also an estrogen imitator, btw. Men that want to remain men should read product labels and avoid large consumption of soy based products.

Women should easily recognize this.. PMS.. when your body is readying for your cycle, you'll notice extreme mood changes sometimes that seem to just appear out of the blue. It's important to recognize that if you want to overcome it. that weepy 'woe is me' stage of PMS just before your period, it's all hormones, every bit of it. Well that is exactly what men experience when they are in a high estrogen environment too.

They've done studies of this with cattle. When bulls are fed high amounts of estrogen, they desire to mount other male bulls just like female cows.

I need to find an article about that..
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 12006
19 Jul 2010 #110
guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/19/poland-gay-pride-warsaw

Warsaw's gay pride reveals the face of modern Poland

Thousands of Poles turned out to watch the parade on Saturday. Few outsiders realise how fast the country is changing

True?
cheehaw 2 | 263
19 Jul 2010 #111
most baby formulas are soy-based too.

even though the scientific medical community has known for years that soy (and plastics) adversely affects male babies.

if you watch that 'disappearing male' video, you'll see congressmen fighting the regulations that allow this stuff, but generally to no avail. soy is very profitable.

Chemical queers is what they are creating and they do know full well about it. it's one thing for an adult male to get an extra jolt of estrogen (or other things). It will pass. But in children, their bodies will use these bad chemicals as building blocks in place of good nutrition and then it's irreversible.
Dudeski - | 25
19 Jul 2010 #112
Fortunately both presidential candidate - Kaczynski, and the president - Komorowski are against gay 'marriages' and gay children adoption. We'll have enough time to wait and see how this 'progress' goes for the western countries and we won't make the same mistake I hope (this approach does work with Euro currency).
time means 5 | 1309
19 Jul 2010 #113
True?

Highly unlikely. The Guardian is the biggest "right on PC bollocks left wing" newspaper there is.

Wasn't there 8-15 thousand turned up and something like 200 thousand for the Grunwald re-enactment.
Torq
19 Jul 2010 #114
Wasn't there 8-15 thousand turned up

In a 2 million city :) 8 thousand is more or less the average number
of spectators at a single game of the appalling Polish football league (including
stadiums in Gliwice, Wodzisław or Bytom :))
time means 5 | 1309
19 Jul 2010 #115
8 thousand is more or less the average number
of spectators at a single game of the appalling Polish football league

Wasn't there 8-15 thousand turned up and something like 200 thousand for the Grunwald re-enactment.

So it seems football and gay pride parades are out and battle re-enactments are in :-)
Torq
19 Jul 2010 #116
Apparently :-)
aphrodisiac 11 | 2437
19 Jul 2010 #117
I need to find an article about that..

yes you do and humans are not cows:)

Chemical queers is what they are creating and they do know full well about it. it's one thing for an adult male to get an extra jolt of estrogen (or other things). It will pass. But in children, their bodies will use these bad chemicals as building blocks in place of good nutrition and then it's irreversible.

you should be a scientist.

So it seems football and gay pride parades are out and battle re-enactments are in :-)

so true, males acting up and dressing up.
Amathyst 19 | 2700
19 Jul 2010 #118
I really do know lots of gay people, male and female. Mostly male though. Probably a full 50% of men I have known over the years were either gay or bi-sexual. I can say without a doubt at this point

Did you think of joining "Faghags Anonymous?"
aphrodisiac 11 | 2437
19 Jul 2010 #119
there is no such a thing, is there;)?
cheehaw 2 | 263
19 Jul 2010 #120
you should be a scientist

A friend of mine is bio-nutritionist with 3 PHD's. He's written a few books about this stuff.

He is always yelling at me about these things. how could I possibly not know.

he has a website here
healthmasters.com

lots of good info over there.


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