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Let`s compare prices of services and products in Poland


FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
29 May 2012 #151
yeah, i think i'm leaning towards pawian's side here.

mileage makes a HUGE difference in price, as does different models/specs. The S-line? A new S4 in the USA MSRP's for around $49,000 before you even add options. A new A4 is about 40% less. An S-line is a totally different car.

Many of the cars still smoking around the public roads in PL would have been deamed practically worthless and sold for scrap in the UK.

Again, I agree.
Wroclaw Boy
29 May 2012 #152
The S-line? A new S4 in the USA MSRP's for around $49,000 before you even add options. A new A4 is about 40% less. An S-line is a totally different car.

Awesome the UK model i listed is actually the S line not the Polish one, would that make up for the difference in miles?
OP pawian 179 | 16,285
29 May 2012 #153
i dont think a few thousand miles

Actually, it is 80.000 miles difference.

But if you think it is not a lot.... :):):):)

Poland is notorously known for having way more expensive used cars.

It is not true.

Ive known guys in PL to buy like 1995 Ford Escorts for around 8000 PLN, you can get better models in the UK for less than £500 / 2700 PLN

Strange.

Ford Escort, 2000, 1.6: 1500 PLN - £ 277.
otomoto.pl/ford-escort-C24349818.html

or 2000 PLN - £370.
otomoto.pl/ford-escort-C24139991.html

The cheapest UK Ford Escort on your website costs £600 .
autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/ford/escort

Ohh come on i dont have time to sit there studying specs, it was a quick match,

Don`t worry, I have spent some time looking at prices in UK and PL. That is why, I stick to my earlier opinion. :):):):)

There are hundreds, if not thousands of things. :):):)
Lets hear some of them then....

I already mentioned them.

15 PLN versus £10. It is like £ 2.80 to 10. Not bad.
Actually, all compared services have more or less the same ratio, be it haircut or car repair.

Do you expect me to provide all of them? :):):):)

Yes, that is my plan, but you need to be patient. One at a time, OK? :):):):)
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
29 May 2012 #154
Awesome the UK model i listed is actually the S line not the Polish one, would that make up for the difference in miles?

pawian said there's an 80,000 mile difference. if that's true, than I'd say you should go back and find 2 comparable cars with comparable mileage.
OP pawian 179 | 16,285
29 May 2012 #155
Wroclaw Boy:Poland is notorously known for having way more expensive used cars.

It is not true.

Oh, I just remembered you write that your last time in Poland was a few years ago.

Memories are a good thing, but they seldom pertain to new reality. Sorry.
Wroclaw Boy
29 May 2012 #156
Actually, it is 80.000 miles difference.

pawian said there's an 80,000 mile difference

If he told you to jump of a bridge would you? its 58000 miles, where did you get 80,000 from Pawian?

Ford Escort, 2000, 1.6: 1500 PLN - £ 277.
...
or 2000 PLN - £370.
...

The cheapest UK Ford Escort on your website costs £600 .
...

You cant be using it right, heres a list of Escorts for under £1000.

autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/ford/escort/postcode/so533dh/radius/1501/sort/default/price-to/1000

Based on my observations and it is something ive observed and studied over the years, I would estimate Polish used car prices around 10-20% more expensive, depending on the exchange rate.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
29 May 2012 #157
If he told you to jump of a bridge would you?

really? really.

its 58000 miles, where did you get 80,000 from?

i got it from the "I don't feel like clicking on the link and looking for it and I would assume pawian didn't pull that number sqaure out his a$$ being the number is most likely in that link somewhere" bank. I guess if I still don't look at the article and see for myself, and take YOUR word for it, I'm still jumping off the proverbial bridge. nah, I'm still not gonna look.

It's a good thing I don't care about this conversation. We all know Poland is expensive as all @#$@#$!.
OP pawian 179 | 16,285
29 May 2012 #158
Lets hear some of them then....

Walking the dog

Warsaw: 20 PLN - £3.7

London - £15

wawa-dog.pl/szkolenie-psow/oferta/spacery-psem.html

thevips.co.uk/price.shtml

If he told you to jump of a bridge would you? its 58000 miles, where did you get 80,000 from Pawian?

Ooops, I am sorry, I wrote 80.000 miles meaning kilometers.

108.000 miles of UK car = 173.809 km

173.809km minus 80.000 km of PL car = over 90.000 km difference.

For Poland it is a lot.

If he told you to jump of a bridge would you?

Funny, I heard this saying very often as a child. :):):):) *

You cant be using it right, heres a list of Escorts for under £1000.

Yes, thank you, it only corroborates my opinion - Polish second hand cars are NOT

way more expensive

than UK cars. Actually, they are a bit lower or the same.

Please, stop being so stubborn. Check the prices at last. I know you don`t have time but please, do it for goodness sake so that we can stop talking about fekking cars.

Based on my observations and it is something ive observed and studied over the years, I would estimate Polish used car prices around 10-20% more expensive, depending on the exchange rate.

We are talking about prices today and now, not 4 years ago as you remember them from your stay in Poland.

* Do you know the Polish saying: gadał dziad do obrazu?
Wroclaw Boy
29 May 2012 #159
This debate deserves a thread of its own....

Oh, I just remembered you write that your last time in Poland was a few years ago.

I left Poland 12 months ago, prior to leaving last year i was there for almost 6 years. The exchange rate will affect the price comparisons, the worst ive known exchange rate rate wise from GBP - PLN was 4.12 in March 2010. So £1000 would have been 4120 PLN, at that point used cars in PL may have been almost level on a pound for pound basis.

Other than that they have always been inherently more expensive, fundamentally because of the scarcity rule, scarcity creates value.

Yes, thank you, it only corroborates my opinion - Polish second hand cars are NOT way more expensive than UK cars. Actually, they are a bit lower or the same.

No they are not.

Used cars are cheaper in Germany, Holland and France - that's why there is a massive import business. You will see garages with nothing but foreign plated cars, all imported because they are cheaper and people make businesses from it.

Wroclaw Boy:
Lets hear some of them then....

Walking the dog

Warsaw: 20 PLN - £3.7

London - £15

Good one

How about textile/tailored repairs or whatever you call it? maybe shoe repairs
OP pawian 179 | 16,285
29 May 2012 #160
How about textile/tailored repairs or whatever you call it? maybe shoe repairs

Are there any shoe repairmen in the UK? :):):):)

I still can see some in Poland, one even opened in my area recently.
Wroclaw Boy
29 May 2012 #161
back to used cars, heres a good one

UK
Mercedes E300, Estate, 1999, 95000 miles £1850 or 10,000 PLN [
autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201219470407636/sort/default/usedcars/price-from/1000/body-type/estate/price-to/2000/model/e_class/make/mercedes-benz/page/1/keywords/300/radius/1501/postcode/so533dh?logcode=p

Poland
Mercedes E300 Estate, 1998, 177000 miles £2750 or 15,000 PLN
autogielda.pl/sprzedam_mercedes,mercedes_e_300_kombi,II2AR73W.html
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
31 May 2012 #162
As of today, 12 zł/kg in my neck of woods.
But I think in a week it will be 6-8 zł.

Again!! another mistake.... glass houses, stones!!!

Strawberries are plural, Strawberry is singular. So you should say 'they will be 6-8zl'
peterweg 37 | 2,319
31 May 2012 #163
Warsaw - 90 PLN (£18)

London £112.20

There is a difference, isn`t there? :):):):)

The worlds most expensive transport system, what do you expect? Average wage in London is about £50K. 275K pln, which compensates somewhat.

Are there any shoe repairmen in the UK? :):):):)

I still can see some in Poland, one even opened in my area recently.

At least 5x more expensive in London than Krakow.
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
31 May 2012 #164
The worlds most expensive transport system, what do you expect? Average wage in London is about £50K. 275K pln, which compensates somewhat.

Is that a mean average. I lived in London for 6 years and knew probably 1 or 2 people that earned over 35k never mind 50k. Take off the 5% top earners and you'll find a lot of Londoners earning less then 25k...

in 2007 the gross median average income in London was 27k.in 2012 it is 33.9k... the mean average will be far less.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
31 May 2012 #165
At least 5x more expensive in London than Krakow.

on what scale?

this entire thread is useless without comparing wages to earnings.

when comparing "services", obviously money for money, it will be more expensive in England than Poland. an oil change may cost 30 pounds in England and say 80zl in Poland (random numbers) but after working the exchange rate, it is of course "more expensive" in England.....but if you want to buy plane tickets.....who the hell would want to be earning PLN. In Poland I'd have to blow an entire month's salary in order to fly home and back.....now, I can book the same flight for maybe 6-7 days worth of work.

the point of this thread is to compare prices in Poland vs. elsewhere.....but none of it is of use if we don't have accurate comparisons.
NorthMancPolak 4 | 648
31 May 2012 #166
The last time I looked (not long ago) the average wage was about £33K in London (i.e. nowhere near £50K), and about £25K outside the capital. When I last lived in London, I earned about £38K p.a., but that included unsocial hours payments. Most people I knew earned around the same, or even more. But London is full of people earning a lot less than £25K a year.

on what scale?

this entire thread is useless without comparing wages to earnings.

Which was my point above :)

When I'm in Poland, I rarely stay in hotels, so I have to do "proper" shopping, and do not live on restaurant/takeaway food.

While there is a significant difference in prices on many items, it's simply not enough to compensate for the difference in wages. And, as we all know, the prices of many goods (e.g. electricals) are almost identical. I do a fairly normal job, but one which is now at degree-level upon qualification. Yet I earn quite a good wage over here, but would NOT earn a good wage in Poland.

.but if you want to buy plane tickets.....who the hell would want to be earning PLN. In Poland I'd have to blow an entire month's salary in order to fly home and back.....now, I can book the same flight for maybe 6-7 days worth of work.

Same here. I only need to work for about two days to afford a return flight to Poland (with LOT or BA), but if I worked in Poland, in the same job, I would need to work for two weeks to afford the same return flight to the UK and back to Poland. Which is exactly why I would not move there! Only those running businesses, or working on "expat" terms and conditions, can really say that Poland is an affordable place to work and live in.
strzyga 2 | 993
31 May 2012 #167
Strawberries are plural, Strawberry is singular. So you should say 'they will be 6-8zl'

it = the price.
Feel free to review all my posts.
At least you've stopped the abuse.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
31 May 2012 #168
or working on "expat" terms and conditions

nicely worded.

i remember teaching in Wroclaw at a large company, they had an american working there on a 1 year contract, managerial level, and she was given a sweet 2 BR flat in the rynek as well as a car. you can't beat those terms with a stick. oh, and she was getting paid USD, the same salary she was earning in California.
peterweg 37 | 2,319
31 May 2012 #169
Thats what working for a big company will, give you. Plus a few other expat benefits..

Most people I knew earned around the same, or even more. But London is full of people earning a lot less than £25K a year.

The people I know working in London are earning £65-100K. Which is why anecdotal evidence is worthless.
OP pawian 179 | 16,285
31 May 2012 #170
Average annual salary in Warsaw - 66.000 PLN = £ 12,222

warszawa.naszemiasto.pl/tag/zarobki-w-warszawie-2012.html

Average salary London - £33,994.

career-advice.monster.co.uk/salary-benefits/pay-salary-advice/uk-average-salary-graphs/article.aspx

Not bad. Only 3 times higher.

Cinema ticket, stalls, adult, weekend:
Warsaw - 28 PLN = £5.18

London - £15.60

odeon.co.uk/fanatic/tickets_and_pricing/s105

cinema-city.pl/index.php?module=cinema&action=info&cid=1060&id=10

Zoo ticket, adult, weekend

Warsaw - 18 PLN = £3.33

London - £20

zoo.waw.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&Itemid=31&lang=pl

zsl.org/zsl-london-zoo/visit/entry-costs-base,1776,AR.html

While there is a significant difference in prices on many items, it's simply not enough to compensate for the difference in wages. And, as we all know, the prices of many goods (e.g. electricals) are almost identical. I do a fairly normal job, but one which is now at degree-level upon qualification. Yet I earn quite a good wage over here, but would NOT earn a good wage in Poland.

Yes, probably.

I earn six times as much as I would in Poland

Me, on the contrary. :):):)

Come to think of it, I can't think of anything which is genuinely cheaper in Poland (if you consider local wages).

Do you still think so? :):):)
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
1 Jun 2012 #171
Cinema ticket, stalls, adult, weekend:
Warsaw - 28 PLN = £5.18

London - £15.60

London: 15.60 / 33,994 = .000458

Warsaw: 28 / 66,000 = .000424

That's nearly identical wages to cost.

Also, we would have to consider what kind of movie experience you're getting in each city.

The cost to see a movie in each city is the same, wages to cost. Is the zoo in London anything special that would justify the cost? Some zoos are great, some totally suck.

Also, using London comes with additional consequences. We're talking about one of the richest, most powerful cities on the planet. It comes with far more prestige and general "importance" to the world than Warsaw.

"Because it's London" raises prices to a greater scale than "Because it's Warsaw".
Wroclaw Boy
2 Jun 2012 #172
Also, we would have to consider what kind of movie experience you're getting in each city.

There not so big on the cinema food in PL, i had some nachos there once and they were absolutely vile. Having said that the food in UK cinemas has gone down hill too, the hot dogs arent as nice as they used to be.

Back on topic:

How about a full car service, i think i paid something in the region of 200 PLN in Poland as apposed to about £80 in the UK, PL still looses on the price to wage ratio but its still cheaper pound for pound.

NorthMancPolak:

Come to think of it, I can't think of anything which is genuinely cheaper in Poland (if you consider local wages).

Do you still think so? :):):)

There's only been a couple, dog walking and strawberries aside its not looking good for PL.
peterweg 37 | 2,319
3 Jun 2012 #173
From 12pln to 35Pln in Krakow, depends on the film. My head is spinning at the £15.60 price in London, its cheaper to buy the Blu-Ray; thats ridiculous.
OP pawian 179 | 16,285
3 Jun 2012 #174
There's only been a couple,

Oh la la, you are so impatient. :):):):) Like a boy.... :):):):)

its not looking good for PL.

Although pure maths tells you it doesn`t look good for Poland, I must tell you it still DOES look very good. :):):):)

Do you mean what I know?
kop4ever - | 3
3 Jun 2012 #175
I think the hotel price in Poland is cheaper than many countries!!
OP pawian 179 | 16,285
3 Jun 2012 #176
Yes. A few days ago I read about it - Warsaw,Poland offers the cheapest luxury suites out of 12 or so cities.
Wroclaw Boy
4 Jun 2012 #177
Only those running businesses, or working on "expat" terms and conditions, can really say that Poland is an affordable place to work and live in.

Yup thats basically the truth of it.
OP pawian 179 | 16,285
4 Jun 2012 #178
Boys, it means that for all other guys who don`t run their own businesses or aren`t expats Poland is an unaffordable place to work and live in.

Do you know what would have already happened if it was true?

UK and others would have been invaded by 36 million instead of 2.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
4 Jun 2012 #179
We cut our cloth accordingly and what people on here are conveniently forgetting is, there are plenty of people in the UK who are worrying what they put in their shopping trolly..to put it plain and simple, people struggle financially no matter where you go in Europe...its all relative really!

I worked with a couple of guys from the Warsaw office of my old company, they had bloody good lives and whilst they enjoyed their secondments, they wouldn't have swapped Warsaw for Manchester..why would they? They didn't own their own business, were not expats and to be quite honest, learnt about the same as a junior secretary (circa. £17k) in the UK (they were engineers) but apparently its more than enough to own an apartment in Warsaw, go snow boarding and have pretty damn good social life...the only thing thing they did find amazing was the price of clothes, trainers etc in the UK which was a lot cheaper..

UK and others would have been invaded by 36 million instead of 2.

2 million is still a considerable number and maybe it wasn't just about the money why some Polish people actually came to the UK?
OP pawian 179 | 16,285
4 Jun 2012 #180
There's only been a couple, dog walking and strawberries aside its not looking good for PL.

Have you ever tried to compare private dental services?

White filling

London -£130
dentistscentrallondon.co.uk/dental-prices-in-central-london.html

Warsaw - 170 PLN = £ 31.50
stomatologia-mardent.pl/cennik.php

PS. Examination is free in most Warsaw clinics. In London - next 50 quid.


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