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Millennials even worse than baby-boomers?


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
16 Nov 2016 #1
I used to think the baby-boomers were a generation of spoiled, selfish, instant-gratifcation-seeking brats but the millennials, who seem to be their
ideological successors, are even worse. What think ye?

zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-10/7-harsh-realities-life-millennials-need-understand
dolnoslask 5 | 2,560
16 Nov 2016 #2
baby-boomers were a generation of spoiled, selfish, instant-gratifcation-seeking brats

Are you talking about people aged between the age of 52 and 70 according to wiki, you must be a few years from being a brat yourself.

As for Millennials it;s just another name to marginalize and berate another group of people as you have above with boomers.

Is there no end to your nit picking

Jews
Women
gays
boomers
millennials

Anyone else want to add to the list.

Come on pol stick to helping people out with Polish and their heritage, history etc, (which you are good at ) all the above stuff is just silly.
Marysienka 1 | 195
17 Nov 2016 #3
the thing about baby boomers vs millenials. Polish millennials and American millennials have a lot in common Polish people between 52-70 only have age in common with American baby-boomers.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
17 Nov 2016 #4
Are you talking about

Baby boomers were born after 1946, I believe, and i am referring chiefly to the USA. Today they are approaching retirement age or have already retired. During their lifetime growth, constant progress and comfortable middle-class homes were the norm for many. Some rebelled against their parents' middle-class mores and creature comforts and became hippies for a spell. When they realised this was a dead-end proposition, they had a bath, cut their hair, jumped into business suits and became yuppies, corporate workahholics. But their youthful rebellion left in them a residue of leftist-liberal leanings which the leftstream media began imposing on all of society as the one true norm. The less advantaged segments of Western society (not only in Poland and the USA) have had their fill of these privileged elites telling them what is "politically correct" and what to do.

Less is known about the millennials (born afer 1980) but some PF-ers may be able to fill in the missing pieces. Are the millennnials simply direct successors to the baby-boomers or do they differ?
Marysienka 1 | 195
18 Nov 2016 #5
Polish "late" millennials (born after 1989) is the first generation comparable with West. Everything before you have very different. Yes, people born in 1945 are retired now, and yes they were born in a period of increased birth rate, and yes they were introduced to computers and internet late in life.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
18 Nov 2016 #6
Polish "late" millennials

Could you please characterise them a bit -- describe their overall image, goals, values, political leanings, lifestyles, general attitudes towards their country, parents, religion, etc.?
Chemikiem 6 | 2,113
20 Nov 2016 #7
Could you please characterise them a bit

Your problem is that you're trying to put people in boxes again.

goals, values, political leanings, lifestyles, general attitudes towards their country, parents, religion, etc.?

People are individuals not clones. Doesn't matter what generation they belong to, you can't lump them all together as having the same values/opinions much as you would like to.

Seriously, why is this so important? The world is never going to be how you want it to be. Accept it and you might be a happier person :-)
dolnoslask 5 | 2,560
20 Nov 2016 #8
trying to put people in boxes again

Precisely , A bit like saying that people of a certain age who did not fight in Vietnam were draft dodgers.

No direspect to you Pol but you yourself have suffered at the hands of posters here who are more than happy to put you in a box and try and send you down the river.
Harry
21 Nov 2016 #9
A bit like saying that people of a certain age who did not fight in Vietnam were draft dodgers.

Exactly. What we need to see in order to say that a person was a draft dodger is actual action taken to dodge the draft and statements reflecting knowledge of how to dodge the draft via those actions. Deferments from staying in college, studying specific subjects, attempting to teach those subjects, enrolling in the Reserve Officers Training Corp program (as Clinton did), even a well timed marriage, and of course the old favourite of emigrating and returning after the draft ended, those are the things which mark out a baby-boomer of a certain age as a draft dodger. And strangely it's very often exactly those people who now love to look down on millennials.
Atch 17 | 2,917
21 Nov 2016 #10
describe their overall image, goals, values, political leanings, lifestyles, general attitudes towards their country, parents, religion, etc.?

Polly don't be such a lazy lump. There are plenty of sources for this information and as it's obviously going to be your new obsesssion for a while you'd better learn how to research it yourself. If you're prepared to read articles about young Europeans in general you can find little nuggets of information about Polish millennials. I managed to glean that:

Millennials comprise 28% of the Polish population.

In 2014, over half of Polish millennials reported being satisified with their lives compared to just over 30% of those aged 50 and over.
Only 12% of Polish millennials believe that Russia respects the personal freedoms of its people.
Only 12% of young Poles have respect for Vladimir Putin as a leader and international statesman.
One in three Polish millennials cites getting a good education as very important in achieving success in life.
But only 25% of them think that working hard is very important to get ahead in life.
63% of Polish millennials believe that 'success in life is pretty much determined by forces beyond our control'.

Here's another survey which is easily digested:
survey.telefonica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/TEF-Europe-PPT_11.18.13.pdf
Some info on religion here:
pope2016.com/en/faith/catholic-church-in-poland/polish-catholics/news,474268,faith-and-religious-practice-in-poland.html
That should keep you nicely occupied and out of mischief for a while. Let's see what you can come up with on your own now, there's a good boy :)
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
21 Nov 2016 #11
enrolling in the Reserve Officers Training Corp program are the things which mark out a baby-boomer of a certain age as a draft dodger.

So this would include yourself then Harold.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,560
21 Nov 2016 #12
Now you have to be kidding Johnny, Harold fighting for his country? first you would have to find "His country", Its not the UK, he aint happy with Poland.

Just imagine the arguments he would have with anyone in authority over him.

Harry needs his own special country, we need to create a new one for him to rule over.
Harry
21 Nov 2016 #13
So this would include yourself then Harold.

How surprising to see you're still telling as many lies as always. The facts are that no country I'm a citizen of has had a draft in my lifetime and I've never been in any reserve or officer training corps. Unlike you American baby-boomers, who needed to find imaginative ways to avoid serving your country. Why you didn't just do a Peace Corps type commitment instead, I really don't know. I did one. And you baby-boomers are supposed to be big supporters of public service.

first you would have to find "His country", Its not the UK, he aint happy with Poland.

Given up your British passport, have you? And I'm certainly a lot happier in Poland than you baby-boomers: I don't post here whining about the lack of good steaks or good beer, unlike you.
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
21 Nov 2016 #14
Harold fighting for his country?

The truth of the matter is if Pol would have went to Vietnam Har would call him a baby killer, if Pol decided he was a 'conscientious objector' and did'nt go then Har would call him a draft dodger.

When in fact Har never saw combat himself and is clueless what it is like to kill someone that is no threat to you.
This makes Har one of the lowest slime balls alive to belittle someone for making such a choice when he himself never fought for a country.

(As if it is ANY of Hars business to begin with)
The difference was is that there was a war going on for Pol to deal with while Har went to a sissy ass Peace Corps to avoid serving in the military when there was no war going on yet he points fingers. lol

Just imagine the arguments he would have with anyone in authority over him.

I doubt Har would have made it out of Vietnam alive as friendly fire was often a remedy for people like him.
Harry
21 Nov 2016 #15
Har went to a sissy ass Peace Corps to avoid serving in the military

Your reading comprehension gets worse and worse. Or perhaps your lies just get more and more blatant as your lies are pointed out; I suppose that is one of the habits of Cartman. Unlike you baby-boomers, I didn't need to do things such as joining Peace Corps in order to avoid serving, my generation had no draft to dodge, unlike you and Po with two o's. And after I'd done my time in the voluntary program, I joined the army anyway, two things which you and Po never did, although I suppose that at least in your case you weren't eligible to join Peace Corps and the army just looked at you, laughed and said perhaps the navy might be that desperate but they'd never be.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,560
21 Nov 2016 #16
Given up your British passport, have you?

Why would I do that when i stll contribute substantial amount of money to the uk tax system , I also contribute a fair amout to the Polish system , the only losers are Spain and Austria which have pulled out of.

As for the beef steak I am not in the same leauge as you in Warsaw with michelin 1 star restaurants to romp around in , but Tesco finest range do a damn good aged beef steak, and the VIP lager aint so bad once every couple of months.

You got your Polish passport yet?
Cardno85 31 | 976
21 Nov 2016 #17
Just to go a bit back on topic, I think the baby boomer generation had a certain "self entitlement" was because things were easier for them. It was perfectly normal to get a job for life, buy property, and raise a family in a comfortable situation.

The difference with millenials is that their "self entitlement" is falsely drawn from reality TV and the form of "instant celebrity and success". The reality for most millenials is that jobs for life are non-existant and any work is hard to come by and the property market is priced out of the budget of most young peoples' salaries.

Basically one group had a realistic sense of entitlement, the other just sees Kim K and others and think "that's what my life should be like".
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
22 Nov 2016 #18
Basically one group had a realistic sense of entitlement

That group is the Boomers.
The group before them, the GenX group worked and saved living within their means so their kids (Boomers) could have it better then they had.

The Boomers inheritance was squandered by living beyond their means and yes, you are right, the millennials think that is what their lives should be like........only one problem, GenX money is gone, the Boomers are in debt and there is no inheritance/entitlements for the millennials. :-o

The election was a very good example of this entitlement mentality.
Many undergraduates, their fawn-like eyes wide with astonishment, are wondering: Why didn't the dean of students prevent the election from disrupting the serenity to which my school has taught me that I am entitled?

nypost.com/2016/11/20/college-kids-are-proving-trumps-point
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
22 Nov 2016 #19
you're trying to put people

These concepts exists and I did not create them. Categories have always existed and always will. Those infected with the distorted PC ideology try to ignore that fact, but it cannot be wished away. Otherwise sociology and statistics should

be done away with. Studies are constantly beign conducetd not just on people in general but on specific target groups: homeless, middle class, different ethnicities, income groups, generations, etc.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
22 Nov 2016 #20
plenty of sources for this information

Then why even have PF in the first place? Isn't it supposed to be a platform for lively exchange on i.a. current affairs. Sure, anyone can read articles and scholarly tracts online but that does not preclude ad hoc discussion.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
22 Nov 2016 #21
there's a good boy

Atch -- the Queen of Sarcasm and Patronisation! Is that how you treat your school pupils?
Atch 17 | 2,917
22 Nov 2016 #22
How very rude. Would it not be more in order to thank me for bothering to seek some information on your behalf. As for being sarcastic and patronising, I'm tired of explaining to you, that's just my sense of humour. I know I'm doing it and I do it on purpose. I could choose not to. I don't choose to patronise or condescend to children. I have too much respect for them to do that. And I would certainly never hurt or humiliate a child with sarcasm. Children like me, believe it or not Polly, because I like them and they sense that.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
22 Nov 2016 #23
to look down on

Oh no, the loudmouth, glarehead Liar Laureate is back! Things around here had become so calm, non-neurotic and normal and different topics, even controversial ones, could be discussed without his toxic lies, distortions, provocations and calumnies. Here we thought he was gone for good, having fled the country or having been deported for his incessant, mean-spirited, demoralising, fifth-column-style attacks on Poland, Poles and all things Polish. Time and again people have wondered: if he hates this place so much, why the hell is he sticking around so long? One explanation was that Poland had been his safe haven from servers of Commonwealth arrest warrants breathing down his neck.
Harry
22 Nov 2016 #24
having been deported

EU citizens can't be deported from Poland; you Americans can.
johnny reb 18 | 3,778
22 Nov 2016 #25
EU citizens can't be deported from Poland

You are British aren't you Har.
You must not have heard of the Brexit yet.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,560
22 Nov 2016 #26
EU citizens can't be deported from Poland;

This will probably change for Resident UK expat Brexiteers, one wrong brush with the Polish authorities and it may mean deportation, the same might also be true fo errant Poles in the UK, It kind of makes sense to be able to get rid of cretins.
Chemikiem 6 | 2,113
22 Nov 2016 #27
Categories have always existed and always will.

Yes they do, but you missed my point entirely, as is shown by this statement:-

baby-boomers were a generation of spoiled, selfish, instant-gratifcation-seeking brats

Some might have been but you cannot say that every person born after WW2 fits into your neatly defined slot.
It's like saying every young American adult became a hippy in the late sixties, or a yuppie in the eighties. Some did but I'm sure many didn't, that is my point. You just love to label people because that fits in with your distorted world views.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
22 Nov 2016 #28
can't be deported

They can if someone commits an offence such as leading an organised crime group of fifth columnists out ot undermine Poland's dignity, moral integrity and international image. Some on here (mainly HB and his sidekicks) are perpetually downgrading and undermining Poland, Poles and all things Polish. A good prosecutor oculd easily make a case out of it.

If the Poland-bashers hate this place so much why do they stick around? Most likely they are being handsomely paid by foreign agents to do what they are doing. Putin's agents of influence are everywhere
Harry
22 Nov 2016 #29
They can if someone commits an offence such as leading an organised crime group of fifth columnists out ot undermine Poland's dignity, moral integrity and international image.

No, European Union law is absolutely crystal clear on this matter. Why do you baby-boomers and Americans have so much trouble getting your head round the concept of the European Union? To us generation X Europeans it's a very simple concept.

Some on here (mainly HB and his sidekicks) are perpetually downgrading and undermining Poland, Poles and all things Polish.

Not at all, we just put down the cowards and the braggards who sadly have become so characteristic of you baby-boom Americans. I'll happily put my record of working for Poland side by side against your own to see which is better, I'll even let you delete the bits where you were working for the Party and against Poland.

You are British aren't you Har.

Keep guessing, Cartman.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,560
22 Nov 2016 #30
You are British aren't you

If so, Soon to be brexited so no longer European.

If becomes a Polish citizen will have to accept Christ as his king!


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