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The Blame Game (Have you ever noticed that a Polish person is never wrong!?)


pawian 163 | 10,341
4 Sep 2011 #61
It's fair to say that with driving, there's plenty of laws that you should be aware of, despite them not being explicitly signed.

That is why I take the whole complaint by Avalon with a giant pinch of salt. If he could be so unfair about his parking incident, it means he also might be unfair reporting incidents with an architect, clerk, etc. etc.
legend 3 | 664
4 Sep 2011 #62
Try living here, then you might understand what he's saying. But hey - you live in America, and think that some dumb bastards who wave sausages in the air while chanting 'busia' are somehow "Polish".

They are more Polish than you will ever be.
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 441
4 Sep 2011 #63
Poland has driving laws??

Isn't that like Aussie "rules" football? :-)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #64
Pawian, you must have encountered the above in administrative offices or do you always go in blindfolded, with earplugs and sign language?
Leopejo 4 | 120
4 Sep 2011 #65
Could someone explain the 1,5 meters from a building law?
pawian 163 | 10,341
4 Sep 2011 #66
=Seanus]Pawian, you must have encountered the above in administrative offices or do you always go in blindfolded, with earplugs and sign language?

Seanus, before I go to an administrative office in Krakow (which is quite friendly), I check their website for regulations and requirements. Then I find a phone number and call to make sure. Then I go and do business after 30 minutes of queuing. Isn`t it simple?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #67
Wonderfully so ;0
pawian 163 | 10,341
4 Sep 2011 #68
Could someone explain the 1,5 meters from a building law?

In short: blocking the passage of pedestrians on the sidewalk/pavement is illegal. You must leave at least 1.5 metre counting from your car to the opposite side of the sidewalk. It is especially important for parents with prams or push chairs.

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Wroclaw 44 | 5,387
4 Sep 2011 #69
Could someone explain the 1,5 meters from a building law?

if u park on the pavement/sidewalk u must leave at least 1.5 metres between your car and the building or wall/fence etc. if not u may get a ticket/fine
Leopejo 4 | 120
4 Sep 2011 #70
In short: blocking the passage of pedestrians on the sidewalk/pavement is illegal.

Ok, that makes sense.
poland_
4 Sep 2011 #71
This spoke volumes to me

I have a interesting story about responsibility in Poland. To paint the picture, a couple I have known for years here in Warsaw she – Polish, he-British, they have been married for 23 years. They have lived in Warsaw for over twenty years, they are both successful in their fields, she is the co- owner of a medium sized PR agency, he currently sits on the board of a well known advertising/marketing company. On Tuesday I receive a call at around 5pm from her, asking if I could have a chat, I informed I was driving and I had the kids, so it was not time to speak- hands free- she told me she would send a text and we would speak later., about 30 mins later I receive a text, " You are my husbands best friend in Poland, today I have left him and taken the children, when he gets home at 6.30 pm, nobody will be in the house, I have left him a letter and explained all , I would expect you to support him through these difficult times”

I arrive back in Warsaw at about 7pm, I try to call him, he is on voicemail, so I send a text, asking if everything is ok, he responds “ My wife has left me she has cleared out the house of all the furniture, taken the kids and the cat “

Now I am not suggesting all Polish women would behave with the same lack of responsibility nor would they expect another person to deal with their fall out. All too often in Poland I find people resting their problems at other people’s feet and not thinking about the outcome of their decisions. For the PC brigade, he is not a wife beater or a bad dad, he was informed by the company in July, he was surplus to requirements at the end of 2011. She moved out of a 5 bedroom house into 3 room 50 M2 flat, he suspects she has put all the furniture in storage as it mostly expensive antiques they have collected over the years.
pawian 163 | 10,341
4 Sep 2011 #72
if not u may get a ticket/fine

Or, you can have your tyre injected with a syringe needle by an annoyed pedestrian, especially the resident of the building whose pavement you blocked. I saw a few cases already.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #73
That was a very nasty thing to do on her part (running off with the kids). She blamed him for losing his job or what?
pawian 163 | 10,341
4 Sep 2011 #74
=warszawski]I have a interesting story about responsibility in Poland.

What a stupid example! How can you relate a personal story of a woman tired of her boring and unfaithful husband as an example of Polish lack of responsibility???

I liked only one thing in it:

=warszawski]taken the kids and the cat “

Delicious! :):):)

=Wroclaw]
if u park on the pavement/sidewalk u must leave at least 1.5 metres between your car and the building or wall/fence etc. if not u may get a ticket/fine

I am sorry, Wrocław, I was first with my explanation, I hope you won`t hold a grudge against me for that. I really appreciate what you do for us and the forum.

Your explanation was better than mine.

Thank you very much.

:):):):):):)
Ogorki - | 115
4 Sep 2011 #75
it will always be a backward country.

Polish growth last year 4.5%
UK growth 0.01%

LOL

I thought that Poland would evolve, change rapidly to absorb, Western ideas.

...what...you mean decadence, gang warfare, political correctness madness, health and freaking safety,
getting fat on junk food, rat race, selfishness, greed, no social cohesion, polution, low quality of life, honourless,
over industrialation, over populated etc. But don't worry - it's getting there. The fooking hoodies have arrived! - gilrs
are getting fat and starting to behave like tramps in the street on weekends, the boys are getting cocky etc Poland
has lost it's innocense.

the (communistic) authourities are still in place

...there you go.

During the Warsaw uprising in 1944 - the Poles decided to fight for freedom and what they THOUGHT was the right thing to do.
Because of that decision - 250,000 civilan men, women and chidren were butchered with no mercy.

People over the world later said that they were WRONG to do that.

Right or wrong - FOOK you.

From the Warsaw Voice Magazine:- you must be missing a trick

Poles the Happiest Nation in Europe: Report
Polish people are more satisfied with life than the citizens of any other European country, according to a survey by the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development.

The survey covered 39,000 households in 34 countries from Britain and France to Albania and Ukraine. It found that in Poland, the effects of the recent financial crises were felt by less than a third of respondents. In other postcommunist countries, the figure averaged 70 percent.

Fifty-four percent of Polish respondents said they were confident their children would enjoy more prosperity, 5 percentage points more than in the bank’s previous survey from 2006.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387
4 Sep 2011 #76
I was first with my explanation

u posted when i was writing :) your pictures explain all.
pawian 163 | 10,341
4 Sep 2011 #77
=Ogorki]Poland
has lost it's innocense.

Still, many people remained innocent. I can see it in my students. When foreign student exchanges come to us, from Germany or Italy, and I see Italian or German students, I think: Oh, my God. Are they serious?

And I am grateful to Polish students for being what they are.

=Ogorki]Polish people are more satisfied with life than the citizens of any other European country, according to a survey by the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development.

I concur. I am very happy to live here.
Leopejo 4 | 120
4 Sep 2011 #78
I officially thank Wroclaw too, for the clear explanation.
pawian 163 | 10,341
4 Sep 2011 #79
So my explanation wasn`t clear?

Ooops. It is a real blow. How could I be so unintelligent as to deliver an unclear explanation?
:(:(:(
delphiandomine 83 | 17,863
4 Sep 2011 #80
In short: blocking the passage of pedestrians on the sidewalk/pavement is illegal. You must leave at least 1.5 metre counting from your car to the opposite side of the sidewalk. It is especially important for parents with prams or push chairs.

Pawian - shall we start a thread about Polish parking? Of course, there are forums dedicated to this - but PF could have one, too ;)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #81
Fine but let's keep this on track.
poland_
4 Sep 2011 #83
What a stupid example! How can you relate a personal story of a woman tired of her boring and unfaithful husband as an example of Polish lack of responsibility???

Pawian, I have known them many years, I am not aware of any unfaithfulness on either part, The title of this thread is The Blame Game ( Have you ever noticed that a Polish person is never wrong!). The way this women has reacted to the news of her husband losing his job, is to look for the best situation for herself, although she would deny this and cite, it is all in the interests of the kids, the youngest child absolutely adores his father, the older one is in heir late teens - so he is going through the " me" stage anyway. So the situation is not in the best interests of the children.

She mixes in an affluent circle, the talk of divorce and separation are common, responsibility to the family is not on the agenda, everything she has done was pre planned, just as if she was going in to pitch a company for a contract. He is expecting a registered letter any day now from her lawyer, they have joint bank accounts, she also has her own account for business, he has no access to money without her knowing what he is spending. She informed him in the letter she will be giving him two thousand PLN at the start of each month, she will pay all the bills for the house from their joint account.

In her twisted mind, her future plans have been rocked by him loosing his job, the fact of the matter is the company is downsizing in Poland, he was offered a posting in Kiev at the end of last year, the financial package was excellent, she advised him against it, as he would be spending too much time away from the kids, in a recent telephone call between them she blamed him for not not taking the job in Kiev. She wishes to maintain her lifestyle at all cost, she will deny she is being irresponsible and be vehement that the situation developed only because of her husband and the children and her are the victims of his bad decision.
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 441
4 Sep 2011 #84
Polish growth last year 4.5%.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Multi-kulti and the PC police are definitely coming your way soon - you won't be quite so pewny siebie when it happens, trust me on this ;)

It's all very well being smug about Poland's "success", but those EU subsidies have made a huge difference (to which the UK contributes way too much) so it's no surprise that Poland is pushing ahead while the UK is falling behind. There's only one "pie" - if one country gets more, someone else always has less left over.

It would be also interesting to see how "successful" Poland would be if the UK immediately deported every Pole who has come over since 2004. We know it will never happen, but it would still be interesting to see what would happen if it did ;)
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,712
4 Sep 2011 #85
She informed him in the letter she will be giving him two thousand PLN at the start of each month, she will pay all the bills for the house from their joint account.

what a seriously responsible woman!
AND she took care of the cat? well....
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #86
Bang, in comes the reality. The welfare of the child is paramount so she might be in for a shock there. A children's reporter will be assigned and their views are given the relevant weight. What she did was tantamount to abduction.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,863
4 Sep 2011 #87
She wishes to maintain her lifestyle at all cost

Very often the case - not just in Poland, but all over the world.

What an utter ***** though - I can almost understand why some men choose to turn their partners into dribbling, dependent slaves.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #88
It's that way in Japan but Polish women are much more headstrong than them. That has its plusses and minuses. Many Poles are FAR more adversarial than them. Oh boy, no comparison whatsoever. If they think you are to blame, you'll know about it in no uncertain terms. No pu*syfooting around.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,712
4 Sep 2011 #89
What an utter ***** though - I can almost understand why some men choose to turn their partners into dribbling, dependent slaves.

yeh but maybe he was a total (unt....who knows? Not us....
Anyway, on topic..I am sure she was not wrong, she was Polish..;)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #90
Oh yes, I'm sure she had 101 justifications at the ready. All of them valid, if only in her eyes and a select few in the eyes of a competent court.


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