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The Blame Game (Have you ever noticed that a Polish person is never wrong!?)


Leopejo 4 | 120
4 Sep 2011 #31
Why don't they go back to where they came from?

Because they love the place where they live. Which is also the reason why they criticize its bad sides.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,866
4 Sep 2011 #32
Exactly.

Most of us can just laugh at the bad sides - for instance, I wasted several hours yesterday on some utterly pointless Government-mandated training. I managed to escape, but most of my colleagues were stuck there until the end - so, instead of getting mad, I merely sent a few mocking texts about how they had to suffer. Much easier than getting mad ;)
teflcat 5 | 1,032
4 Sep 2011 #33
Wrong. I said that PiS voting village idiots in Eastern Poland were subhuman racist scum.

Bit strong, old chap, what? I live in a village in eastern Poland (mostly PO as it happens) and some of my neighbours must have voted PiS, but they're basically decent people. I think gullibility and lack of education plays a big part in people voting for a lobotomized gibbon like JK.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,866
4 Sep 2011 #34
Bit strong, old chap, what?

Ah, it only refers to those who are so nuts that they're willing to oppose absolutely everyone, including the Church itself, just to suit their own twisted agenda.

I think gullibility and lack of education plays a big part in people voting for a lobotomized gibbon like JK.

I think a lot of it is down to the way that they portrayed themselves as "defender of the people" - most of the country knows fine well that Poland doesn't need defended from anyone, but that small uneducated, gullible minority passionately believes it. I can't understand for the life of me why JK even pandered to them to begin with - could he really not see that they were a huge liability?

I really, really, really hope that after the election, Kaczynski goes and PiS settle down into being a 'normal' Catholic-Socialist party. It would be nice - the crazies can form their own mentalist offshoot, and PiS can (finally) provide some decent opposition.

It's actually quite scary to see how Poland is becoming sharply divided though - not good for anyone.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #35
MW, Poles are not subhuman at all. I'd never say sth like that as I know so many good and talented people.

Also, it's commenting on the thread. Yes, I'm fully aware of the need to respect my guest status here but I won't tolerate those that harm others, or set them back in some way. Also, it's not about going back to Scotland just because I encountered a couple of bit*hes. The Poles that know me would think I was stupid for letting it get to me. I'm just outlining an experience, that's all.

You don't get it, MW? Well, it's quite simple really. I didn't like what I rightly shouldn't have liked but like many other aspects of life here.

OK, the next story.

A Polish-Canadian teacher once worked here. She was really pro-Polish and pretty fluent in the language too, having had ample chance to use it at home in Canada. Cutting to the chase, she was to work at a company early in the morning and get picked up by them. They were really late and it was a very cold winter's morning. They usually called the school if they were going to be late but they decided to just skip that requirement that week. Needless to say, she went there not best pleased but stayed professional. They gave no apology (a Polish classic) so she decided to turn the tables on them and be late the next time. They were up in arms about it and expected a formal apology and there was a big hoo-haa about it. This spoke volumes to me and her. It's OK for them to be slack and 'mieć wszystko w dupie' but not for others.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
4 Sep 2011 #36
Wrong. I said that PiS voting village idiots in Eastern Poland were subhuman racist scum.

Fascinating. I wonder all the time where does your superiority complex come from ? Subhumans, scum, Poland B, beneath you... Why is that ? Are you rich ? No, you are poor. Are you good looking ? Well, I'm not an expert but I've got very serious doubts. Are you well educated ? Some degree just like countless millions of people around the world... What have you achieved ? You are some kido, who would have problems to make a zloty here If not that you were born in an English speaking family. What would you do in the UK ? Either live on benefits or have some entry level job. Let's be honest, you are a typical average Joe even by Polish standards. Get that into your brain and learn some respect or else you won't end up well.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,866
4 Sep 2011 #37
See what happens when you empower peasantry?

Shouldn't you be in the fields, rather than driving yourself mad with jealousy?
stupiditybuster
4 Sep 2011 #38
Have you ever noticed that a Polish person is never wrong!!!!

Polish food is better than any other food, Polish women are the most attractive around, Poles are the best educated people in the world and of course, Poles are never wrong (the list is obviously much longer).
MyMom 6 | 137
4 Sep 2011 #39
You are some kido, who would have problems to make a zloty here If not that you were born in an English speaking family

That made me grin :D
There are kids like him among Poles too, but he is a guest here, he should know better, it always looks bad when a foreigner uses phrases like "subhuman Polish scum".
Ironside 49 | 10,173
4 Sep 2011 #40
phrases like "subhuman Polish scum".

those are redundant, really evolved are only Gay's, other minorities and last but not least those that agree with dope's views.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #41
No petty squabbles, please. Just real experiences placed into their relevant contexts. I'm glad many Poles can see problems and try to address them. Sweeping things under the carpet like China does is not healthy.

The degree to which some Poles assert their being right makes me cringe. Dinner parties with extended Polish family can be quite amusing. It can be very petty mudslinging but God bless my father-in-law for ducking them. He just puts his hands to his temples in disbelief of what he is hearing.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
4 Sep 2011 #42
The degree to which some Poles assert their being right makes me cringe.

You have successfully completed your mission and will now be recalled for debriefing. Your next cultural assignment will find you in central Africa where you will be directed to study the Bonobo and its societal habits. Of particular interest is evidence suggesting that the Bonobo primates often argue amongst themselves. We have no doubt that you will be as successful with this new assignment as you have been with the previous one.

By the way, your thesis 15 years ago on the mating habits of Tazmanian Devils is legendary and is often used as a fundamental guide when studying other marsupials.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
4 Sep 2011 #43
See what happens when you empower peasantry?

I see it, that was exactly my point in the previous post.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #44
ZIMMY, I prefer Bonobo's music, thanks :) :)

There is a certain 'sparring' element to Polish culture. You can see the same in Scottish councils to a slightly lesser extent. Rather than attempt to see and hear out those you are serving, the guard goes up and the defensiveness sets in. Covering your bacon and denying wrongdoing become the norm.
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 441
4 Sep 2011 #45
it always looks bad when a foreigner uses phrases like "subhuman Polish scum".

He wouldn't get away with it on a real Polish forum, that's for sure; which is why he gets away with such a high anti-Polish post count on here.

Few people would deny him his right to his opinion. Though, for some reason, you can't express similar views towards non-whites on here, but Poles are "fair game"!!

Even St*rmfront has an "Opposing Views" forum - the problem here on PF is that those "opposing views" make up a WAY too high proportion of the posts.

Yet if you dare to actually use the Polish language in the wrong place, a faceless mod comes along and tells you to write in English, ffs!! Not very Polish then, is it? :p That's why this will never be my main Polish forum - because it simply gives Pole-haters a voice, and seems to want to control all things Polish. It's rather ironic to note that there are much fewer anti-Polish comments on the BNP's site, than there are on this "Polish" forum.

I'm not interested in debating with the Pole-hater mentioned above, but it really makes me wonder why he moved to Poland in the first place, why he doesn't go back to Scotland, or, possibly more importantly, what exactly happened to him in Poland, to make him hate the Poles so much.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,866
4 Sep 2011 #46
what exactly happened to him in Poland, to make him hate the Poles so much.

After you see some subhuman, undoubtedly 'renta' claiming scum (it was the middle of the day during the week) physically attack a pre-teenage boy for daring to air his political views, you do tend to get the impression that such people should throw themselves off the nearest high bridge. Their manipulation of old, confused people adds to the list of reasons why they aren't worthy of being called "Poles".
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #47
Anything on the thread, Sidliste? Any thoughts?
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 441
4 Sep 2011 #48
Well, you're always the voice of reason Seanus, so I don't think I can add anything useful really, lol :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #49
Not always, no :( :( You are Polish, right Sid? No experiences connected to the thread?
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 441
4 Sep 2011 #50
You are Polish, right Sid?

Mostly, yes :)

No experiences connected to the thread?

Pretty similar to the OP tbh, but I don't think it's just a Polish thing, I've come across similar behaviour with most groups of people. However, if the OP thinks that it's frustrating to deal with Polish authorities, he really needs to move over here - it's not much better!
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #51
A guy I know was recently told to take an extra administrative step to finalise the formation of his company. He did so but it turned out that he set up a second company. He told them that he had been badly advised but they turned him away. They would accept no blame but it was them that told him the erroneous info and he now has to put himself out just to rectify the situation. He wasn't best pleased.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,866
4 Sep 2011 #52
However, if the OP thinks that it's frustrating to deal with Polish authorities, he really needs to move over here - it's not much better!

That's one thing I truly love about Poland - the ability to deal with "real people" on the other side of a desk, not some muppet at the end of a phone in a call centre who couldn't care less.

For instance - I had to pick up a form from ZUS not so long ago. I got the person's phone number who was dealing with it, and was told to call in the afternoon to make sure that it would be ready for the next day. It was.
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 441
4 Sep 2011 #53
They would accept no blame but it was them that told him the erroneous info and he now has to put himself out just to rectify the situation

Sounds similar to something which happened to me over here, they won't accept any blame and the letter (clearly written by a lawyer, not some two-years-out-of-school "admin assistant", as signed) came out with the usual "we always actively pursue claims against any client who we have an issue with etc" blah blah blah corporate bull****, and of course just you even DARE not send them a recorded letter, but when you ask them if they can prove they sent me some documents by recorded post, they just say "we don't have to prove anything" lol.

For instance - I had to pick up a form from ZUS not so long ago. I got the person's phone number who was dealing with it, and was told to call in the afternoon to make sure that it would be ready for the next day. It was.

there's no way that would happen here lol
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
4 Sep 2011 #54
Avalon

Wow, that was worth the read. y'know, you're more right than I wish you were on the whole matter.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,866
4 Sep 2011 #55
Sounds similar to something which happened to me over here

See, another thing here - all this stuff is outlined in law, and if the companies don't follow it, they'll automatically lose in court. I know one case where someone got away with not paying a huge bill to TP - simply because they failed to follow one step in the law. The judge automatically threw the case out. From the side of the business, it's also good - there are set steps to follow, written in the law, and the court will recognise them as valid without fuss or relying on precedent.

The system isn't perfect, but it seems more logical here.

there's no way that would happen here lol

Not a chance :/

It still amazes me that you can have personal contact with decision makers here, instead of having to talk to some worker drone on the front line who might (if they can be bothered) tell someone that you need to speak to them.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #56
Passing the buck happens everywhere. I have to say that there is a lot at stake for some admin workers here and they are procedure bound. I have had positive experiences with thoroughness. The line of command can be clear at times so they have to stamp and sign properly. It tends to be the old biddies that won't accept responsibility.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,866
4 Sep 2011 #57
so they have to stamp and sign properly. I

Seanus, you've reminded me of something -

It's truly fantastic the way that you can take a document to an office, hand it in (and get it stamped) while getting a copy stamped for yourself. Imagine sending something off to HMRC and asking for a stamped copy to be sent back?

It tends to be the old biddies that won't accept responsibility.

What I've found with them is that the easiest approach is simply to quote the relevant law at them and remind them of their responsibilities. Never fails to work.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
4 Sep 2011 #58
Not a chance, delph. It more closely resembles Japan here in that they have a 'hanko' system. It is a personal seal which only you can possess. I like having a stamp here. Only a signature doesn't suffice in this day and age. It suits Poland well as some Poles can be anarchic. In fact, many are so it makes them tow the line and adhere to often reasonable rules.

I can imagine that that would work, yes. Keep them on their toes :)
pawian 163 | 10,352
4 Sep 2011 #59
You park your car (next to other parked cars) and then get a ticket, you ask where the signs saying "no parkling" are and you are told that there "are none" and you should "know".

If you park on the grass, you should know it is illegal.

If you leave less than 1.5 metre from your car to the building wall, you should know it is illegal.

When you park your car and make it difficult for other drivers, you should also know.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,866
4 Sep 2011 #60
If you park on the grass, you should know it is illegal.

They're starting to really enforce this as well.

If you leave less than 1.5 metre from your car to the building wall, you should know it is illegal.

The point on my driving licence is proof of that one :(

It's fair to say that with driving, there's plenty of laws that you should be aware of, despite them not being explicitly signed.


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