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Word order and swearing in Polish


MrBubbles 10 | 614
2 Feb 2009 #1
Is there any difference between:

Kurwa co ty robisz?
Co ty kurwa robisz?
Co ty robisz kurwa?

Are they all possible, and if so is there a difference?
peter_olsztyn 6 | 1,098
2 Feb 2009 #2
Are they all possible?

yes

is there a difference?

no
OP MrBubbles 10 | 614
3 Feb 2009 #3
But there must be a difference if they are different sentences
osiol 55 | 3,922
3 Feb 2009 #4
Co ty kurwa robisz?

Not sure, but I have the feeling this one works best as a sentence.
OP MrBubbles 10 | 614
3 Feb 2009 #5
Looks to me more like 'What the fuck are you doing!', while the others are "What are you doing, you fucker"
esek 2 | 228
3 Feb 2009 #6
But there must be a difference if they are different sentences

the difference is more or less exactly the same as here:

fuck, what are you doing?
what the fuck are you doing?
what are you doing, fuck?
OP MrBubbles 10 | 614
3 Feb 2009 #7
Well, I think fuck in sentence 2 intensifies the 'what' whereas in sentences 1 and 3 it's more like a seperate sentence - "Fuck! What...." and "...doing? Fuck!" Would I be on the right track?
esek 2 | 228
3 Feb 2009 #8
this sentence in the middle is the strongest one i think (and the most grammatically correct) :

co ty kurwa robisz - what the fuck are you doing

the other two are also sometimes heard, but they may come from a guy who use kurwa (or fuck) in every other sentence... like.... fuck, i was at home and found nothing in the fridge, so i went to this fucking shop, met my fucking neighbor, fuck he is weirdo, and bought some food... :D

well...buy maybe some other people would be able to explain it better :D What is the most important these sentences means almost the same thing...
OP MrBubbles 10 | 614
3 Feb 2009 #9
It feels more natural to me too. In English the swear word often gets placed before the stressed syllable / word and I was wondering if it coul dbe the same in Polish.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
3 Feb 2009 #10
I think most of the young gentlemen round these parts, say it like this.

Kurwa co ty Kurwa robisz, Kurwa?
Vincent 9 | 848 Moderator
3 Feb 2009 #11
Kurwa co ty Kurwa robisz, Kurwa?

Just a daff question from someone learning polish. Why is there two "you's in that sentence? ty and robisz?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
3 Feb 2009 #12
Why is there two "you's in that sentence? ty and robisz?

You can say Co Robisz or co ty robisz.
It was explained to me that there is no real reason except rhythm but i am sure someone more knowledgeable than myself can explain it better.
ladykangaroo - | 165
3 Feb 2009 #13
Why is there two "you's in that sentence? ty and robisz?

Generally "second you" - "ty" shows surprise / annoyment / sometimes happiness. "Co robisz" is just a regular question, shows that you are interested in someone's actions, you may ask that for no particular reason ("what are you doing tonight?", "whassup").

"Co Ty robisz" often indicates emotional nuance. That's something a husband could say to his wife on his early return from business trip :D

From grammatical point both sentences are correct and acceptable.

And "kurwa" can be put almost anywhere in the sentence and will work fine there.
Mafketis 24 | 8,817
3 Feb 2009 #14
Kurwa co ty Kurwa robisz, Kurwa?

SeanBM FTW! That's pretty much the way 12 year olds talk now most of the time in Poland.
I'm old enough that kids talking that way is just .... sad.

The tragedy is that Poland used to have a complex and powerful system of swearing and it was possible to actually shock people with original and creative combinations.

But unimaginative overuse of a few words (kurwa, jebany, pierdolic, chuj etc) have degraded the process and robbed the words of any real power. Now they just sound cheap and ugly, rather like Soviet made shoes.
Vincent 9 | 848 Moderator
3 Feb 2009 #15
Thanks Sean

From gramatical point both sentences are correct and acceptable

Thanks also for a great explanation:)
osiol 55 | 3,922
3 Feb 2009 #16
Can any of the milder forms be inserted?

I've only really noticed kurna being used as a stand-alone word.
cjjc 29 | 408
3 Feb 2009 #18
kurde

From all the people I've met this is the only one I've heard.

Actually thinking about it I have heard "kurcze"

I have also heard "Ja pierdikam" and realised it wasn't bad. Kinda like "Bloody hell" I guess.
osiol 55 | 3,922
3 Feb 2009 #19
My question was about using those milder words in a sentence like the one at the start of this thread. Would it sound natural? As far as I can tell, they probably wouldn't, but then maybe I only ever talk to coarse individuals.
ladykangaroo - | 165
4 Feb 2009 #20
Would it sound natural?

It would :) It wouldn't be natural only if you were raging angry, you do not use mild replacements then of course.
OP MrBubbles 10 | 614
4 Feb 2009 #21
Why is there two "you's in that sentence?

Well now you mention it, it could also be emphasis ie "What are you doing"? Rather than someone else"
Bondi 4 | 142
5 Feb 2009 #22
Kurwa co ty robisz?
Co ty kurwa robisz?
Co ty robisz kurwa?

Hmm, I wouldn't dare to say the first and the last one to a female. :o) "Kurwa, co ty robisz?!" may sound like you call her a whore, unless you really press it: Kuuurwa! Co ty robisz?! :D

The tragedy is that Poland used to have a complex and powerful system of swearing and it was possible to actually shock people with original and creative combinations.

It's the same in every language, I suppose. Even English, which is really poor when it comes to swearing, could still use "fancy swearings" like: "Glorious piece of a heavenly shit!" But most people have no creativity these days, they are just sad and blatant...
Easy_Terran 3 | 312
5 Feb 2009 #23
"Kurwa, co ty robisz?!" may sound like you call her a whore

No.

"Kurwo, to ty robisz" - yes, that's exactly it, calling a girl a whore.

Kurwa co ty robisz?
Co ty kurwa robisz?
Co ty robisz kurwa?

Fuck, what you're doing?
What the fuck are you doing?
What are you doing for fuck sake?
ladykangaroo - | 165
5 Feb 2009 #24
"Kurwa, co ty robisz?!" may sound like you call her a whore

Not at all, the sentence would have to start with "Kurwo" / "Ty kurwo"...
Elssha - | 123
6 Feb 2009 #25
On paper, yes.
In real life, specially when yelled/ said strongly you'll get slapped before the ending registers. The first and third especially.
I'd suggest just omitting using kurwa/kurwo when directing it at a girl altogether. Do holery (sp?) is almost as strong... far less slap-friendly.

And yes, I know many a Polish female who'll slap first, contemplate endings later... eventually perchance apologize.
Easy_Terran 3 | 312
6 Feb 2009 #26
On paper, yes.

On paper AND in real life.

Kurwa and kurwo - two different things (well, in this case)

Głupia kurwa - a stupid whore
Głupia kurwo - you stupid whore
ladykangaroo - | 165
6 Feb 2009 #27
And yes, I know many a Polish female who'll slap first

It seems that you might know Polish females who barely speak Polish but read extensive passages written by divine marquis...

Do cholery (sp?) is almost as strong

Oh crap, you may be pretty damn right, pardon my French :D
McCoy 27 | 1,275
6 Feb 2009 #28
Głupia kurwa - a stupid whore
Głupia kurwo - you stupid whore

what a nice topic. you can insult women and they still think that youre discussing the linguistic issues.

just kidding. całuje rączki pieknych pań ;)
Easy_Terran 3 | 312
6 Feb 2009 #29
they still think that youre discussing the linguistic issues.

ROTFL :)))

całuję rączki pięknych pań
peter_olsztyn 6 | 1,098
6 Feb 2009 #30
In real life, specially when yelled/ said strongly you'll get slapped before the ending registers. The first and third especially.

Kurwa means nothing just like yyy or aaa or exclamation mark or comma and native speaker can feel the difference.


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