just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian

Are you on the market?!! What's a shame....

PS:
Tell me where the Ukainians live in the AU???
Just joking...:)
Everyone will get what deserves!! That is why I don't care!
Peace!!

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You want to know more about your ancestors...that's why I mentioned...study Polish history!!

[quote=Ksysia]just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian[/qote]
Only peasants didn't know (Ksysia???) that the both parties knew the language of each other...
very well!!

I am hoping that Krzyzacy is not the only source of your history education.

Anyways,


what is so weird about it. Russians admired Stalin at one point too. Bandera stood for everything Ukrainian and for the luck of a better hero he has to do for now:).

Besides, you all can talk about for years. He will always remain a symbol of somebody who wanted Ukraine to be free.

It is easy to criticize another nationality, so we don't have too look at our own mistakes.

If you were intelligent enough, you'd know what I meant by the name "Krzyżacy"

Yes, one of his mottos was: Freedom through genocide of the Polish minority.

intelligence is about expressing yourself clearly and to the point and you confuse it with sarcasm and contempt for other posters.
Nuf said.


Link please.
Genocide? Hmm.......Holodomor was a genocide. I know most of the Polish posters speak with anger and pain because you lost families, land, but that is what happens when somebody tries to show another religion down the throat for extended period of time. Ukraine , or rather Kievan Rus was a center of an Orthodox religion and a very powerful one at that.

If you are so excited why don't you open a new topic somewhere about 'Ukraina'!!??

Here, ON THIS SITE!!! we're talking about Poland and Polish history, Polish language, Polish people, Poles in general!!

You have reading comprehension problems. lol


NO< WE DON"T> READ THE RULES>

;)

PS> I hate newbies.

Link to what? UPA/OUN leadership planned, organized, and carried out an extermination of the Polish population in Wołynia.


You seem flaky so I'll ignore your stupid comment.

you said that one of his mottos was: freedom through genocide. Can you provide a link or you just basing it on a general interpretation of the history?

Bandera hated Poles just like many Ukrainians did and they had reasons. Retaliation is what happened.

I heard there will be a Bandera ulice in Krakow is that true?

No. You've heard wrong. Krakow will not have a Himmler street either, if that's what you will hear next.


You mean in the same way Hitler hated Jews and he had reasons, and retaliation is what happened. Of course, on a different scale, but the same principle applies.

Intelligence is about to know...especially when asked !!!!!
You are here because you want to be here & and..

Just for you...I'm explaining, name "Krzyżacy" (The Knights of the Cross) a group of monks who were executing Polish people by cutting them into half or in many other different disturbing ways.

These Krzysacy seem very Teutonic to me.

and you seem ugly and stupid...!


I am not 'new here!!.. it's just I don't like to waste my time with people kind of like you- aphrodisiac or 1jola

NO, I did not mean that. Of course you are free to interpret what I said they way you wish. Far fetched interpretation, but there is nothing I can do:).


I am glad we are on the same page:)

No! I am not on the same page with you, mate!

I am Polish and a very proud Australian citizen not a Jew!

what I meant by being on the same page is that I agree with you that we both don't like wasting time on each other, so please keep the promise.

I wonder what according to you happened in Volhynia. Your explanation 'from Kievan Rus to WW2 slaughter' is a little too vague. Would you say something similar in court, as an advocate of a Ukrainian who brutally murdered thousands of Poles?


Genocide isn't about numbers. You probably read this before:
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.


Who would dare to criticize those Ukrainian Angels? As long as they don't 'lie', they can sleep in peace.

so, which one would you pick for vacation: Ukraine or Uruguay? ;)

we are not in court.


agree, therefore Ukrainians experienced genocide by Poles for centuries.


I have been on this board for a while and Ukrainians have been criticized on an ongoing basis. You don't expect me to take responsibility for the action of somebody else, or do you? I am not comfortable with the collective responsibility. I personally would never kill anybody, but a war and ethnic conflicts is a different story and I am not in a position to judge either side.


Ukrainians got their share from the hands of other nations. What boggles my mind is the fact that many posters here are playing victims.

I said it a long time ago: it is up the both of the governments to clear and apologize, only then both sides will be able to move on.

they 'got their share' from their own government which starved them.

It means you are BULLY towards Polish people and Poland.

You- aphrodisiac and 1jola and many, many more here should be exposed as the enemy of Poland and Polish people .

Why don't we do that?? We'll see how many Jews are involved or if any other nationalities are .

NO, it was the Soviet government.


I think the the operating body (the Soviet government) was a crucial part of the Holodomor. I also think that there is nothing uplifting about starving people: Ukrainians or not.

oy, chill, I edited out!
You are way to defensive to assume my mention of Ukrainians starving was meant to be uplifting.

I am chilled out. I am just not sure what you were trying to convey? Puzzled.

I'll just re-qoute myself. That said, I have to try much harder not to involve myself in these discussions..
Have a nice day!

You might as well say that Jews and Poles experienced genocide by Ukrainians for centuries.
In that definition 'destruction' should be understood as physical extermination.


Ok, but your explanation was vague and misleading nonetheless :) I hoped that you would try one more time.


Rather Poland: the bad, the worse, and the worst ;) Is the victim status of Ukrainians unchallengeable?


I don't care about their apologies, but they shouldn't complain when Poles criticize UPA.

why? You have said it and I don't see a reason to repeat myself.


Sure. Orthodox faith is part of the Ukrainian make up and it has a long and strong tradition. I went back all the way to Kievan Rus because this is where that faith originated. Poles were too forceful with their Catholic Religion (just one of the reason for being disliked) on local Ukrainian population. One cannot force another religion. It always results in either covert or overt reaction. During the Lithuanian COmonwealth - the Lituanians let the Ukrainians to practice their won faith and often converted to Orthodox, which was very smart of them. Poles showed Catholic religion and eventually it ended up in the bloodshed.


I don't know. It takes time from what I understand.


UPA was good for Ukrainians and bad for Poles. There is nothing else to add in my opinion. We will always disagree on those matters.