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The Untold Battle of Britain


Matowy - | 294
2 Jul 2010 #31
Why does everyone keep saying that Harry is trolling? His posts are much less provocative than most others.
Bzibzioh
2 Jul 2010 #32
Or the Polish style: run for British ports before the first shot is even fired.

Nah, that was actually smart tactical move. Battling the strongest army of the day while counting on a help of your not-so-interested friends - not so much.

simply ignore that miserable scamp. :)

It's really easy and fun to yank his chain.
enkidu 7 | 623
2 Jul 2010 #33
Curious then that the majority of Poles in the UK in 1945 decided to take up the offer of a free home, free food and free money while they looked for a job which a British worker could have taken. And that so few of them took up the offer of a free trip back to Poland to continue fighting for a free Poland, especially given how many of them whined about the British not continuing that fight.

So - you've lost the last discussion on this topic, but thanks to your mod-friend, most of ths thread magically vanished, and now you are able to give it another go.

How do you feel about this, you small cheater?
mattm1970 4 | 9
2 Jul 2010 #34
channel4.com/programmes/the-untold-battle-of-britain/episode-guide/ser ies-1/episode-1

channel4.com/programmes/the-untold-battle-of-britain/articles/witold-u rbanowicz-interview

These are the links to the TV show - Add " h t t p . / / w w w. " to the link - the forum won't let me add links due to a spam filter
Torq
2 Jul 2010 #35
the Polish style: run for British ports before the first shot is even fired.

That is the most common style of fighting of Polish troops throughout history:

1. Polish troops at Grunwald trying to break through the Teutonic lines to safely reach
British port:

2. Polish winged hussars on their way to Britain:

3. Polish infantry fighting Russians in Olszynka Grochowska to make way
for the main Polish forces to reach Great Britain...

4. Polish cavalry on their way to promised British land in September 1939
(notice how cowardly Polacks are rushing their horses to run away to Britain
as quickly as possible):

Coward Cavalry

All Polish troops have it written in their fighting manuals and all their commanders
have one basic instruction: in case of any trouble - break through enemy lines and
reach Great Britain.
Harry
2 Jul 2010 #36
british could not deal with Poles so they send Poles in Soviet hands to be kill

Yes marek, that is exactly what happened. But you forgot to mention that it was the Jews in the British government who agreed the whole plan with the Jews in the Soviet government and the Jews bankers who then ran the USA (but now obviously run the whole world).
enkidu 7 | 623
2 Jul 2010 #37
Oh that is interesting. Could you continue please? I believe you might have some first-hand information.
Harry
2 Jul 2010 #38
Oh come now! You must know that anything bad for Poland or Poles is always the fault of the British and the Jews. It was the Jews in the British government who made sure that no Poles were invited to the London Victory parade! Just as it was the Jews in the Polish Vogt who attempted to bring shame on Poland by forcing Poland to repeatedly break international agreements in the interbellum and stab Poland's allies in the back!
Torq
2 Jul 2010 #39
This is 100%, no - this is 200% true! This approach of Poles towards Jews was (and still
is) despicable! Luckily, all the major Polish anti-Jewish criminals were caught and forced
to plant a tree in Yad Vashem to repent for their crimes.

Every Polish anti-semite who killed more than 1000 Jews, raped more than 1000 Jewish
women and ate more than 1000 Jewish babies was forced to plant a tree there.

The well-known Polish bandit - Władysław Bartoszewski (nickname "Professor"), during
the tree planting ceremony in Yad Vashem (he's the first from the left)...


...note the evil, racist smirk on his anti-semite face.

Of all the nations in the world, most of the criminals in Yad Vashem come from Poland
(which is no surprise for those of us, who know those Polish anti-semitic monsters)...

holocaustforgotten.com/yadvashem.htm
...over 6000 Polish bandits, compared to Great Britain's 13 (including Scotland).
Shame on you Poland!!!
Canada Bob - | 3
4 Jul 2010 #40
For the folks who missed the program about 303 Squadron, you can download it from here, just add the h t t p prefix to the address below...

Canada Bob.

broken link
Cud nad Wisla - | 6
7 Jul 2010 #41
I saw this programme and enjoyed it, I think the Polish pilots certainly got a raw deal. Indeed some British politicians resigned over their treatment after the war. The Yalta Betrayal of the Polish Government In Exile was surely a scurrilious decision by Churchill and Roosevelt? Perhaps if the great Sikorski had lived things could have been different.

I don't know why but Ireland recognised the Polish Government in Exile for many years after the war!

There is a 303 Squadron game on the Channel 4 website (I can't post the link because admin think I might be spamming) it's funny, during the game the Polish pilots ask their commander can they shoot German airmen who have bailed out. You even get a medal if you shoot the Germans in their parachutes! I can't get past mission 3, the gunners on those Dornier bombers are lethal! I salute the pilots of 303.

:)
isthatu2 4 | 2,694
7 Jul 2010 #42
it's funny, during the game the Polish pilots ask their commander can they shoot German airmen who have bailed out.

So realistic then! Shooting men dangling in parachutes who would land in almost instant captivity,really bloody brave and honourable(shame its so true.)

One thing for sure Polish pilots came to defend England in crucial point of bob

Nope,even the Polish pilots in the programe admitted they were only there to fight germans,nothing to do with defending Britain,britain was considered(quite rightly) by most european free forces to be little more than a huge aircraft carrier,the last free nation still in the fight etc.

that is not an untold story though.. it's rather well known but i guess maybe not in england?

It is far from untold in the UK either.....every friggin school boy who's seen " The Battle of Britain" knows about the Polish pilots...every Memorial day (11.11) across the UK Poles and Polish flags have been prominent for decades.

(basically,every programe in the "untold" thread was about a rather "Told" story; blacks and malays in Nelsons fleet,Dodgy dutchmen maybe starting the 1666 fire of London etc

You mean the Polish should have started a new war with the Soviet Union immediately after WW2?

No,but apparently Britain should....

british could not deal with Poles so they send Poles in Soviet hands to be kill

Talking out your bum hole buddy,bloody thousands of Poles in my neck of the woods,and have been for 70-80 even 100 years now.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
7 Jul 2010 #43
The Yalta Betrayal

Yawn...change the record, this one is very boring..

Look at Britain post WWII and ask yourself if they could have taken on the Russians?

I don't know why but Ireland recognised the Polish Government in Exile for many years after the war!

The goverment was based in London for many years so I'd say they were recognised in the UK too..In fact they were based in London up to 1990..What was your point exactly?

Talking out your bum hole buddy,bloody thousands of Poles in my neck of the woods,and have been for 70-80 even 100 years now.

Im from Manchester, we had the largest settlement of Poles pre-war and even more post war.

Polish Circle Social Club is an established organisation that provides a friendly welcome to all guests and clients throughout the local area. The Kolo Polskie also known as the Polish Circle Social Club, which is situated in Manchester close to the city centre, It was founded in 1937 and in 1938 it was established as a Social Club. The friendly organisation now has many years experience in the Members Club sector.

Yeah we're that unfriendly in Manchester they decided to settle here and open up a social club :D
Seanus 15 | 19,674
7 Jul 2010 #44
Sikorski is alive now, Cud na Wisła ;) ;)
enkidu 7 | 623
7 Jul 2010 #45
The goverment was based in London for many years so I'd say they were recognised in the UK too..In fact they were based in London up to 1990..What was your point exactly?

I think I can answer this question. Polish government in exile wasn't recognised as a government. It was tolerated as any other private organisation or association.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
7 Jul 2010 #46
No,but apparently Britain should....

Nobody wanted another war. But it would have been kinda nice if the Western Allies had required a little more convincing about the whole Iron Curtain idea. It backfired anyway (the Cold War) and ultimately brought a lot of misery to much of the world. Poland was only one of many victims, though unsurprisingly on Polish Forums we tend to concentrate on our own country. But the list goes on - East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria, China, Korea, Vietnam... and ultimately even the US with Cold War witch hunts and school kids being prepared for a Soviet nuclear attack.
Harry
7 Jul 2010 #47
But it would have been kinda nice if the Western Allies had required a little more convincing about the whole Iron Curtain idea.

Could you perhaps remind me who it was that first spoke out against the Iron Curtain? I believe it was the same person who I last night saw being referred to by a Pole as "a bandit, because of him we lost half of Poland".
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
7 Jul 2010 #48
I believe it was the same person

I regret to inform you that I am unable to participate in all the discussions and threads you are involved in. I therefore remain unable to identify the person in question.
Cud nad Wisla - | 6
7 Jul 2010 #49
The goverment was based in London for many years so I'd say they were recognised in the UK too..In fact they were based in London up to 1990..What was your point exactly?

Britain ceased to recognise the Polish Government in Exile during the war as it displeased Stalin. They had to vacate their embassy as far as I am aware. My point is that Poland was sold up the river by the Allies.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
7 Jul 2010 #50
My point is that Poland was sold up the river by the Allies.

Yawn...keep repeating it, it doesnt make it true...I noticed how you failed to answer my question:

Look at Britain post WWII and ask yourself if they could have taken on the Russians?

? Answers on a post card please!
jonni 16 | 2,482
7 Jul 2010 #51
Britain ceased to recognise the Polish Government in Exile during the war as it displeased Stalin.

In fact America, Britain, and the rest of the world ceased to recognise them when it became clear there was a functioning government operating from Warsaw.

They had to vacate their embassy as far as I am aware.

This is normal practice after a regime change. They still (both governments in exile - for a time there were two) continued to operate from the UK until 1990.

My point is that Poland was sold up the river by the Allies.

Your point becomes mere sniping since you fail to suggest a practical and achievable alternative.
Cud nad Wisla - | 6
8 Jul 2010 #52
In fact America, Britain, and the rest of the world ceased to recognise them when it became clear there was a functioning government operating from Warsaw.

Were these not Stalinist puppets they were recognising?
z_darius 14 | 3,965
8 Jul 2010 #53
Cud nad Wisla:
The Yalta Betrayal

Yawn...change the record, this one is very boring..

Look at Britain post WWII and ask yourself if they could have taken on the Russians?

Post WWII?
The Teheran Conference of 1943 was post WWII?
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
8 Jul 2010 #54
I asked what could Britain have done post war - are you aware the state Britain was in? I wasnt referring to Teheran I was however referring to the ravaged state of my country, little food, inner cities looking like bomb sites - whoops my bad they were bomb sites! Massive debts and mass umemployment...Simply put, we had no choice. What about your neighbouring countries - why not ask them why they didnt help? What about America? What about France? What about Holland? What about Italy??
z_darius 14 | 3,965
8 Jul 2010 #55
I asked what could Britain have done post war - are you aware the state Britain was in?

It was in the state of war. And, compared to other European countries, it remained fairly intact. OK, I agree though that continued robbery of far away lands was kinda harder for the Brits.

I wasnt referring to Teheran I was however referring to the ravaged state of my country

You obviously weren't referring to Teheran, where Britain did betray Poland, and the betrayal had nothing to do with the "ravaged state" of your country.

Massive debts and mass umemployment

One doesn't need WW2 for that. Thatcher was sufficient.

What about your neighbouring countries - why not ask them why they didnt help?

You mean Germany and the USSR whcih attacked Poland in the first place? Or do you mean Czekoslovakia that was given away By the British to the Germans?

What about America? What about France? What about Holland? What about Italy??

None of those countries signed any deals with Poland in regards to mutual aid in case of a military conflict.
nott 3 | 594
8 Jul 2010 #56
Amathyst:
Look at Britain post WWII and ask yourself if they could have taken on the Russians?

You suggesting Stalin would have invaded Britain if it didn't agree to creating the puppet regime in Moscow?

In fact America, Britain, and the rest of the world ceased to recognise them when it became clear there was a functioning government operating from Warsaw.

There was a functioning government in France years before. Any logical conclusions?

It didn't 'become clear'. It was the result of Yalta, Feb 1945, where the Allies agreed that Poland becomes the Soviet province.

Betrayal is betrayal, whatever reasons there might have been.
enkidu 7 | 623
8 Jul 2010 #57
I asked what could Britain have done post war

Well... at least Britain could not degrade Polish generals to the level of day labourers.
Look at the stories of the heroes of the Polish 303 sqad. They were branded as a saviours of the UK. They were hailed by the King himself. After war they were discarded like empty beer-can. Was that necessary?
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
8 Jul 2010 #58
at least Britain could not degrade Polish generals to the level of day labourers.

They were lucky to have a job, did you not read my post "mass unemployment"

After war they were discarded like empty beer-can. Was that necessary?

No different to the British soldiers then. Somethings never change!

Why do you think they should have had preferential treatment? Because they fought in a war? Or because they were Polish?
enkidu 7 | 623
8 Jul 2010 #59
They were lucky to have a job, did you not read my post "mass unemployment"

Name the one (single one) British-born General-Major, bearer of the Order of the Lion and CBE who was forced after the war to work as a day labourer in the factory and I would gladly shut up and accept your argument.

(...)
Why do you think they should have had preferential treatment? Because they fought in a war? Or because they were Polish?

They were asked to leave the country they fought and die for. Don't you see anything shameful in this kind of treatment?
Ironside 53 | 12,487
9 Jul 2010 #60
Shooting men dangling in parachutes who would land in almost instant captivity,really bloody brave and honourable(shame its so true.)

killing German pilots who were targeting civilian population and who started practice of shooting defenceless pilots during Polish campaign, bloody shame!
Does Dresden rings any bells?hypocrite...

Nope,even the Polish pilots in the programe admitted they were only there to fight germans,nothing to do with defending Britain,

Ipso facto their were defending Britain regardless of their motivation, its amazing as Britain proclaimed war in defence of Poland but actually didn't defend her, eh!

Name the one (single one) British-born General-Major,in his 50s bearer of the Order of the Lion and CBE who was forced after the war to work as a day labourer in the factory

We are talking older man here, who's land become part of Soviet Union.


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