crow, kak o si kurac
Brate Witek zasto pominjes `kurac`(if that word mean same on Polish/Serbian)?
You must be aware that there are ladies on this forum, too. :)
please Serbian friend don't spread garbage hypothesis.
You think that I belong to people who believe in theory of so called `Great migration` and that on the base of that theory I claim that Vistula wasn`t populated by Slavs (perticulary Poles) in time BC? Same theory stand on position that Balkan was populated by Slavs at arround 6 AD.
Well, that is German theory and was created by German schoolars to support expansionistic intentions of German elite. In short- to support reasons for `Drang nach Osten.`
Modern science (on the base of old data and new foundings) and authors (of Slavic and non-Slavic origin) abondened that theory already. And, not because we Slavs want different history but becuse of sake of scientific truth.
Science can`t eveolve and progress if based on false data/history. We must operate with true facts if we want to understand social (and other) mechanismm of human development.
So, I will tell you Witek- Yes, Vistula was populated with Slavs/Poles very, very early (in that time all Slavs used some form of Sarmatian name for their designation). In fact, our ancestors were practicly first humans who populated that area (and many other areas) after Ice Age has been finished.
But, Witek- think (later I would present you many valuble sources but, for now just use logic), how those Slavs on Vistula come in Vistula region?
By river of course > In old days people strongly dependent on water from rivers and they could spread on distant places only if fallow great rivers.
Now, little from climatology. Balkan was first region in Europe free from ice after glacial period (Ice Age). Genetic science (Human Genome Project), using old data about Balkan population and latest archeological foundings started to investigte genetics of Balkans. You know what they found (we speak about international project, don`t forget)?
They found (you`ll get links) that modern Slavs of Balkan represent direct descendents of old/antic Balkan popultion and, they even confirmed that genetic markers suggest that Balkan Slavic population inhabite Balkan at least 25.000 years. Archeology already know that old Balkan cultures dates from paleolithic and neolit (we speak about even 50.000 years BC).
Secund region free from ice (and important for all Slavs) was somwhere in the border region between Ukraine and Russia.
Genetics confirmed that these two populations were in contact, let`s say `from the beggining of time`. Those populations were in contact even before they settled on Balkan/in Russia/Ukraine, in time before they moved into Europe following changings in climete. Their start location was somwhere on the Near East to the region- in past known as Persia (modern day Iran).
And so, after arrival in Europe, following coast of Black See those two populations continue to cooperate, inter-mix and Slavic (Proto Slavic) genetic stock was extracted (maybe even existed before Proto Slavs came to Europe- that we can`t be sure).
Now. Key European River is Danube and smaller rivers which gravitates to Danube, represent good connection between Danube and Adriatic coast (remember comment from Catholic Enciclopedya), then we have good connection between Danube and Central Europe, Danube and Eastern Europe, Danube and Southern Europe, Black See, Northern Europe- Baltik, etc, etc.
There is no debt. Danube was/is key Slavic river. Thanks to fact that we were first on Danube and that our ancestors developed agriclture- we spread on such wide geograpical territory.
So, you see Witek. Vistula was populated with Slavs/Poles in time much, much before BC and much before Germans even exist (as I said they appeard on historic scene after penetration of Semitics into Europe).
But, European chapter of Slavic history started from Balkan after Ice Age. People can`t fly as birds and before Vistula they needed to follow Danube- our old Ister (old name of Danube- also Slavic word).