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When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed?


nott 3 | 594
31 Aug 2010 #271
Oh please!

Of course, the possibility of a land grab of a rich region had of course NOTHING to do with it....of course not...suuuuuuure!

'Please' is not an argument in history. Tell me of the intervening Polish army, then I might reconsider.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
31 Aug 2010 #272
It doesn`t matter now. What I thought funny was your omitting it in your posts.

Man, excuse me...as I'm the only one bringing facts and history to the table here anyhow.

On the other hand, it is completely unknown in German teaching. Probably.

Most people know that there was a difference between upper Silesia with a polish majority and lower Silesia with a clear german majority.

Most Poles even today deny any german majority at all...;)
nott 3 | 594
31 Aug 2010 #273
those brave, patriotic miners fighting for their freedom against the german beasts! *snicker*

So how many Polish regular units were fighting there?

Isn't it ironic that Silesia flourished under prussian, german rule and detoriated under polish rules and that so so many Silesians voted with their feet for Germany even decades later...

You know you are being nasty now...

Most Poles even today deny any german majority at all...;)

Pphulease, BB... Nobody sane in Poland claims that Lvovians are indigenous to Wroclaw :)
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
31 Aug 2010 #274
You know you are being nasty now...

I'm just answering in kind!

And actually I tire of these talks...since I became a member of PF these topics arise again and again and again. And all links were already posted at least once and all possible arguments exchanged at least twice...how about using the PF search function for once?

Nothing new happened during the last years, seriously! ;)
pawian 177 | 14,533
31 Aug 2010 #275
Isn't it ironic that Silesia flourished under prussian, german rule and detoriated under polish rules and that so so many Silesians voted with their feet for Germany even decades later...

Again you don`t know Polish history enough. After the war, thanks to powerful and influential communist governors, Silesia was one of the most heavily developed areas in Poland. Do you know that the local communist, Edward Gierek, even ruled as the First Secretary for 10 years? (sth like President) In 1970s and 1980s Silesia received huge investment and dotations and miners lived much better-off than the rest of society. Today, retired miners` pensions are higher than others`.

I hope you receive this lesson with understanding and will bear ii in mind for future reference.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
31 Aug 2010 #276
I hope it will flourish again in the future and becoming silesian in character again as it once was, so that future generations can close this dark chapter once and for all....
Seanus 15 | 19,706
31 Aug 2010 #277
Pawian has a point here, BB. Gierek wasn't the best of leaders but he improved the standard of living for many miners. Check the wealth ratings for voivoidships and regions back then and you will see.
Zed - | 195
31 Aug 2010 #278
I swear to God. B Boy.... I will place you in command of polish freedom fighters as soon as you agree, then I will finance an armored division and order you to win Lwów for us. :-). You enlist others, they may speak german, silesian or whatever :-)
nott 3 | 594
31 Aug 2010 #279
Do you know that the local communist, Edward Gierek

Hey hey, he wasn't a Silesian. Not even born in Silesia, and not ever living in Silesia. He was from Jastrzębie, which is Czerwone Zagłębie, which is Aldrajch, not Silesia. Gorol z goroli, and mostly living in Belgium anyway.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
31 Aug 2010 #280
Pawian has a point here, BB. Gierek wasn't the best of leaders but he improved the standard of living for many miners. Check the wealth ratings for voivoidships and regions back then and you will see.

I have no idea about that...I only know about the millions of Silesians leaving for Germany...didn't look like a nice place to be...but I can be wrong though.

I swear to God. B Boy.... I will place you in command of polish freedom fighters as soon as you agree, then I will finance an armored division and order you to win Lwów for us. :-). You enlist others, they may speak german, silesian or whatever :-)

Only when I get a helmet!!!
pawian 177 | 14,533
31 Aug 2010 #281
And actually I tire of these talks...since I became a member of PF these topics arise again and again and again.

And you, the Black Knight, are still fighting for the German cause in a Polish forum.

Do you expect to get a medal for it? :):):):)
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
31 Aug 2010 #282
Well...I hope I could enlighten some Poles during my time here! :)

(Some of you are really filled with nationalistic crap...but I blame the education)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
31 Aug 2010 #283
Not everyone is cut out to be a miner, BB ;) There's your answer :)
MartAnthony 2 | 38
31 Aug 2010 #284
All this talk of history is nice. But the seed for Silesia has always been there locked behind wall. But now the wall is gone and slowly the idea is growing stronger. It's only a matter of time.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
31 Aug 2010 #285
But...there are not many real Silesians left, aren't there? :(
nott 3 | 594
31 Aug 2010 #286
I only know about the millions of Silesian leaving for Germany...didn't look like a nice place to be...

Geez, BB, are you being serious? the key word is Western. Western Germany. As opposed to Eastern Germany and PRL. People who didn't even speak German, and their only chance to get the citizenship was a grandpa in Wehrmacht.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
31 Aug 2010 #287
Yeah...

I always wondered how many Germans where still left even after the purges of millions after the war...hmmm....with Wehrmachtsgrandpa I mean...
nott 3 | 594
31 Aug 2010 #288
But...there are not many real Silesians left, aren't there? :(

Quite a lot... They even claim their dialect is a language.
pawian 177 | 14,533
31 Aug 2010 #289
He was from Jastrzębie,

Sosnowiec.

which is Czerwone Zagłębie, which is Aldrajch, not Silesia.

Yes. I am sorry, these areas are so close to each other...... Neighbours! :):):):)

Sosnowiec is No 16, Katowice, pure Silesia, is 14.
nott 3 | 594
31 Aug 2010 #290
I always wondered how many Germans where still left even after the purges of millions after the war...hmmm....

Really few. I remember meeting an old granny in the 70ies, speaking with broken Polish, but mostly with hardly intelligible German. She just stayed there, in Gliwice, she wouldn't have gone this was her place. Her family left, she stayed alone. She remembered the '3 days of freedom'...

edit:

nott:
He was from Jastrzębie,

Sosnowiec.

He was the 1st Secretary in Sosnowiec. Origins from Jastrzębie.

nott: which is Czerwone Zagłębie, which is Aldrajch, not Silesia.

Yes. I am sorry, these areas are so close to each other...... Neighbours! :):):):)

Don't you fcking remind me...
:)
pawian 177 | 14,533
31 Aug 2010 #291
He was the 1st Secretary in Sosnowiec. Origins from Jastrzębie.

Born in Porąbka, today a district of Sosnowiec, was secretary in Katowice.

But it doesn`t matter, really. What matters is he was from Czerwone Zagłebie which isn`t Silesia.

But, later on, he ruled Silesia and developed it.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
31 Aug 2010 #292
Silesians need a separate passport to get to Sosnowiec, pawian. It is not Silesia ;) ;)
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
31 Aug 2010 #293
Is there some joke I'm missing? :)

Czerwone Zagłębie, which is Aldrajch, not Silesia.
Yes. I am sorry, these areas are so close to each other...... Neighbours! :):):):)
Don't you fcking remind me...

What's about it?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
31 Aug 2010 #294
Yes, BB. Many from Upper Silesia say that they need a passport to travel to Sosnowiec. People from there are 'particular' ;)
nott 3 | 594
31 Aug 2010 #296
Born in Porąbka, today a district of Sosnowiec, was secretary in Katowice.

But it doesn`t matter, really. What matters is he was from Czerwone Zagłebie which isn`t Silesia.

I might've mixed up something, but for me he was always strongly associated with Jastrzębie for some personal (his) reason.

But, later on, he ruled Silesia and developed it.

Hm, Silesia under Gomulka was already quite developed. The Soviets needed steel. After Gierek went to Warsaw, he introduced more miner's privileges, but people preferred the memory of Ziętek.

Is there some joke I'm missing? :)

Just some of our intra-Polish bickering, nothing to you, dojcze... :)

Geez, midnight. Good night.
noreenb 7 | 557
31 Aug 2010 #297
My answer on your question is "I think that never".
I haven't robbed any German lands in spite of I am Polish.
landora - | 199
6 Sep 2010 #298
why dont you give back the eastern German lands which you stole

We will, once Germany gives Poland back every single item they stole during the war and occupation, and when they give back the lives of those killed during the war and in the concentration camps. Oh, and when we get our stolen eastern cities back.

Not possible? Oh well, I guess we will just keep them than.
Marek11111 9 | 816
6 Sep 2010 #299
I said before that Poland needs nuclear weapons or Germans will demand so called their land back that they stole from Poland in first place

It’s in all Germans blood to start conflicts and wars .
Crow 146 | 9,105
6 Sep 2010 #300
When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed?

Germans! Cry!

youtube.com/watch?v=uJRrlG7jP88
while Germans cry, Serbs would dance... as they dance here


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