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Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science)



Seanus 15 | 19,748    
21 Oct 2011  #121

Most of the main achievements have come from Polish Jews. Can that really be disputed?


retroDog    
21 Oct 2011  #122

Seanus:
It can't be disputed, because your statement perfectly makes no sense.
Who do you mean by Polish Jews? What achivements you are talking about?
Your post is useless as it's statement without any information.
polmed 1 | 217    
21 Oct 2011  #123

Most of the main achievements have come from Polish Jews. Can that really be disputed?

But Seeanus must know that better , lols.
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 442    
21 Oct 2011  #124

It is truly an amazing thing that Jews chose to live there because it was so bad.

Based on what all the kosher restaurants round here serve, it must have been the food. :D

Funnily enough, if Poles hate Jews so much, why do they continue to insist on living in the largely Jewish area where I live? There's plenty of other places they could live instead. Or are all the claims about "Jew-hating" Poles not quite as true as people make out on here? ;) They could easily live in the adjoining Muslim or English areas and save even more money, but no... they live amongst the people they "hate" instead. Something not quite right there ;)

Who do you mean by Polish Jews? What achivements you are talking about?

A starting point is here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Polish_Jews

Your post is useless as it's statement without any information.

Nowhere near as useless as cowards who troll under "Guest" names.
RetroDog    
21 Oct 2011  #125

Sidliste Chodov:
the list you linked is unfortunately useless, as it list only ONE scientists ( Michelson , he got Nobel for Michelson-Morley experiment, very precise measurements of speed of light )

No Charpak or others.
and there is a link named List of Poles , and on this list , surprise surprise, we have Charpak but no trace of Michelson (both born in Poland), there is Wilczek but no Feynman (both born in USA)

Useless mess, sorry.
Should I compare Michelston only to list of Polish scientists?

First part of your post is wise and informative, I wonder why you haven't used the same part of brain for second part.

At your service : cowardly troll hidden behind guest name.
AlexTheGreat - | 12    
21 Oct 2011  #126

Most of the main achievements have come from Polish Jews. Can that really be disputed?

No, it can't be disputed. We have to ask ourselves why have Jews been able to excel in science far more than Gentiles in proportion to their population.

Without a doubt, one reason is because Jews stress education. Here in America, Jews are a lot more likely to have a college degree than their Christian compatriots. This importance of education partly comes from religious philosophy. Judaism is a very open minded religion unlike Christianity where all the priest can say is, "Don't do that or you'll go to hell!". Jews have made it clear that religion should never get in the way of science. This is not the case with Christians though considering Galileo was condemned for supporting the heliocentric theory. Even today the Catholic church still opposes science by saying that genetic engineering is sinful. The funny thing is that genetic engineering is such a vague term, it only proves how ignorant the Vatican is.

I was recently at a wedding where the groom was a lawyer who graduated from Harvard Law School. Most people would view that as a great accomplishment while the parents simply viewed it as something that was expected. And guess what, the parents were Jewish.
pawian 127 | 6,555    
21 Oct 2011  #127

=AlexTheGreat]This importance of education partly comes from religious philosophy. Judaism is a very open minded religion unlike Christianity where all the priest can say is, "Don't do that or you'll go to hell!". Jews have made it clear that religion should never get in the way of science.

Harry, very interesting explanation.
Seanus 15 | 19,748    
21 Oct 2011  #128

Wow, one of the best posts I have read to date, Alex!! The Jews are simply in a league of their own. Truly ingenious!
Ironside 46 | 8,411    
21 Oct 2011  #129

AlexTheGreat]This importance of education partly comes from religious philosophy. Judaism is a very open minded religion unlike Christianity where all the priest can say is, "Don't do that or you'll go to hell!". Jews have made it clear that religion should never get in the way of science.

You are taking a **** aren't you ?

:D
keep writing its all very funny Al!
RetroDog    
21 Oct 2011  #130

However one may consider that to go to university you need money....
Seanus 15 | 19,748    
21 Oct 2011  #131

Why, I-S? How is he wrong?
AlexTheGreat - | 12    
21 Oct 2011  #132

However one may consider that to go to university you need money....

Irrelevant. Before you need money for a good university, you need to be accepted into a good university. Every year MANY Jews get accepted into an Ivy League school or other top level university. In fact, Jews score the 3rd highest on the SAT. The only two groups that score higher are Unitarian Universalists and Quakers. Neither of them are mainstream Christian though.
Ironside 46 | 8,411    
21 Oct 2011  #133

Why, I-S? How is he wrong?

he is funny dude don't interrupt S-s !

As for your question, you mean that don't know?
Have you ever heard about great arts of ancient Israel or laws of Israel (Judea) ?
night :)
grubasalterego    
21 Oct 2011  #134

I was recently at a wedding where the groom was a lawyer who graduated from Harvard Law School. Most people would view that as a great accomplishment while the parents simply viewed it as something that was expected. And guess what, the parents were Jewish.

Becoming a lawyer a "great accomplishment"?You got to be kidding me.Only person with no morals can become a lawyer and I consider lawyers to be the lowest scum comparable only to the worst crimminals and politicians.

As for Jews being so great,they are not.The reason for them being succesfull is that they stick together not that they have some super natural abilities.And that was also the reason for racial quotas in universities in pre war Poland.Without quotas the Jews would control all highly paid professions just like they did control many trades.In pre war Poland it was virtually impossible for a non Jew to compete with Jews because they were doing everything possible to put non Jews out of bussines.If for instance you wanted to open bakery and compete against Jewish baker,the Jew would lower his prices to the point were he was losing money but he was compensated by the rest of Jews (gmina żydowska) for the losses until he put non Jew out of bussines.So much for their super natural abilites.I personally know some Americans of Jewish descent and many of them seem to be retarded.
Seanus 15 | 19,748    
21 Oct 2011  #135

Funny? Haha funny or strange? I feel he is neither. He is right on the money!

No, I don't know. From a leading academic and inventor nation, I see where he is coming from.

Arts of Israel? There are plenty :)
AlexTheGreat - | 12    
21 Oct 2011  #136

Becoming a lawyer a "great accomplishment"?You got to be kidding me.Only person with no morals can become a lawyer and I consider lawyers to be the lowest scum comparable only to the worst crimminals and politicians.

You're an idiot and an uneducated antisemite. Graduating from Harvard Law is something very few people are capable of doing. I can already tell you're some polack who couldn't even finish high school.

Name calling ends in suspension.
Seanus 15 | 19,748    
21 Oct 2011  #137

Becoming a lawyer or academic law practitioner isn't easy although some Jews make it look that way. Scotland has a rich law tradition. I've met judges and standard lawyers here. Nice folks and smart :) However, are there many eminent/exalted academics here in the field of law? My ex prof in Scotland is one of the leading authorities in European and PIFL in Europe. Paul Beaumont is his name.
AlexTheGreat - | 12    
21 Oct 2011  #138

I don't know how many Americans visit this site compared to Europeans but let me make it clear that accredited law schools in the USA are VERY tough.
Ironside 46 | 8,411    
21 Oct 2011  #139

Arts of Israel? There are plenty :)

name one !

Haha funny or strange? I feel he is neither. He is right on the money!

He is both !However he is not right.

I see where he is coming from.

So do I, hes coming from USA ( or troll-land)talking about Jewshachievements!Where in U.S. what a BS.
funny stuff!

Seanus I clearly overestimated you
Seanus 15 | 19,748    
21 Oct 2011  #140

Polonthemeds, are you doubting the unquestionable successes of Jews here? Their prowess is not to be sneered at.
modafinil - | 421    
22 Oct 2011  #141

Jews are a lot more likely to have a college degree than their Christian compatriots. This importance of education partly comes from religious philosophy

The most eminent Acadenic Jew (who done F'ck-all as a student), after a visit to Israel:
"Where dull-witted clansmen of our tribe were praying aloud, their faces turned to the wall, their bodies swaying to and fro. A pathetic sight of men with a past but without a future."

(Einstein regarding his visit to the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, February 3, 1923)

I'd laugh at any man of science who condones or expresses schmiel of an angry, jealous g_d.
boletus 30 | 1,367    
22 Oct 2011  #142

AlexTheGreat:

No, it can't be disputed. We have to ask ourselves why have Jews been able to excel in science far more than Gentiles in proportion to their population.

You are so pathetic with your ridiculous semitic claim in its purest form, which you just put forward. Let us put this to the simple test. Attached is a short list of authors of scientific papers subjected during the last three days for electronic publishing within the specific section of Quantum Physics, hosted in the e-print archive, arXiv.org , at Cornell University Library.

This works like a free-for-all publication system, since it does not require peer reviews. But it is fast, you can publish your stuff immediately and you can make claims of being the first ever to discoveries of some sort. It is the first stage to traditional publishing - many of the articles appearing here will see their light in some renown scientific magazines two or three years later in a printed form.

The e-print archive handles a huge selection of various fields: Physics, Mathematics, Nonlinear Sciences, Computer Science, Quantitative Biology, Quantitative Finance and Statistics. The Physics alone is represented by 12 chapters: Astrophysics, Condensed Matter, General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, High Energy Physics - Experiment, High Energy Physics - Lattice, High Energy Physics - Phenomenology, High Energy Physics - Theory, Mathematical Physics, Nuclear Experiment, Nuclear Theory, Physics (proper) includes: ( Accelerator Physics; Atmospheric and Oceanic Physics; Atomic Physics; Atomic and Molecular Clusters; Biological Physics; Chemical Physics; Classical Physics; Computational Physics; Data Analysis, Statistics and Probability; Fluid Dynamics; General Physics; Geophysics; History and Philosophy of Physics; Instrumentation and Detectors; Medical Physics; Optics; Physics Education; Physics and Society; Plasma Physics; Popular Physics; Space Physics), Quantum Physics.

The list of authors that I promised comes from the section of Quantum Physics, submitted in the last three days alone: Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Now you have a chance to scan through an pin point all the Jewish names in there. Hard, isn't it? But I can easily point many other nationalities: Chinese, Japanese, German (actually I know that many of them are Austrians), Indians, Spanish/South Americans, Russian, former Yugoslavian, Greek, Hungarian, Italian, Arabic of some sort... and yes, even Polish.

So what was you point about Jewish superiority in science?

Fri, 21 Oct 2011
Christian Weedbrook, Stefano Pirandola, Timothy C. Ralph
R. Tanas, A. Miranowicz, Ts. Gantsog
Swapan Rana, Preeti Parashar
Hong-Wei Li, Shuang Wang, Jing-Zheng Huang, Wei Chen, Zhen-Qiang Yin, Fang-Yi Li, Zheng Zhou, Dong Liu, Yang Zhang, Guang-Can Guo, Wan-Su Bao, Zheng-Fu Han
András Bodor, Lajos Diósi
Shengshi Pang, Shengjun Wu, Zeng-Bing Chen
Arka Majumdar, Dirk Englund, Michal Bajcsy, Jelena Vuckovic
Oriol Romero-Isart
Ryszard Paweł Kostecki
Zafar Ahmed
Chengcheng Zhou, Kang Xue, Gangcheng Wang, Chunfang Sun, Guijiao Du
Demetrios A. Kalamidas
Hubert J. Krenner, Stefan Völk, Florian J. R. Schülein, Florian Knall, Achim Wixforth, Dirk Reuter, Andreas D. Wieck, Hyochul Kim, Tuan A. Truong, Pierre M. Petroff

Jun Li, Jinshuang Jin, Xin-Qi Li, YiJing Yan
Laszlo B. Kish, Ferdinand Peper

Thu, 20 Oct 2011
Neil B. Lovett, Matthew Everitt, Robert M. Heath, Viv Kendon
M.E. Shirokov
Zhi-Rong Zhong, Xiu Lin, Bin Zhang, Wan-Jun Su, Zhen-Biao Yang
M. Holden, D.G.C. McKeon, T.N. Sherry
Xiao-Qi Zhou, Pruet Kalasuwan, Timothy C. Ralph, Jeremy L. O'Brien
Y. L. A. Rezus, S. G. Walt, R. Lettow, A. Renn, G. Zumofen, S. Goetzinger, V. Sandoghdar
Sibylle Braungardt, Mirta Rodríguez, Roy J. Glauber, Maciej Lewenstein
R. Rossi Jr
A. N. Litvinov, K. A. Barantsev, B. G. Matisov, G. A. Kazakov, Yu. V. Rozhdestvensky
Willi-Hans Steeb, Yorick Hardy, Jacqueline de Greef

Wed, 19 Oct 2011
Tobias Eberle, Vitus Händchen, Jörg Duhme, Torsten Franz, Reinhard F. Werner, Roman Schnabel
Jerome Blackman, Wu-Teh Hsiang
Jacob Mower, Dirk Englund
Jen-Tsung Hsiang, Tai-Hung Wu, Da-Shin Lee, Sun-Kun King, Chun-Hsien Wu
Atsushi Noguchi, Shinsuke Haze, Kenji Toyoda, Shinji Urabe
Li-Guo Qin, Li-Jun Tian, Yan-Ling Jin, Guo-Hong Yang
Jingling Lian, Yuanwei Zhang, J.-Q. Liang
Jean-Daniel Bancal, Stefano Pironio, Antonio Acin, Yeong-Cherng Liang, Valerio Scarani, Nicolas Gisin
Norman Y. Yao, Chris R. Laumann, Alexey V. Gorshkov, Hendrik Weimer, Liang Jiang, J. Ignacio Cirac, Peter Zoller, Mikhail D. Lukin
Zhengping Jiang, Neerav Kharche, Timothy Boykin, Gerhard Klimeck
G. Leschhorn, T. Hasegawa, T. Schaetz
W.M. Stuckey, T.J. McDevitt, M. Silberstein
Mohammad Bahrami, Afshin Shafiee
Gaëtan Borot, Céline Nadal
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,382    
22 Oct 2011  #143

Jews have made it clear that religion should never get in the way of science.

That is BS. In Israel Orthodox Jews deliberately exclude Maths and science from the curriculum, only study the Torah and are not expected to work and what is more they expect their non orthodox countrymen to support their lifestyle and they are growing in number.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,778    
22 Oct 2011  #144

what in god's name is this thread even about now?

*pun intended.
Palivec - | 381    
22 Oct 2011  #145

Evil Jews I think.
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 442    
22 Oct 2011  #146

So what was you point about Jewish superiority in science?

Yet out of the three Polish names you pointed out, one has a clearly Jewish surname :D

I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that there are some Jews amongst those other Slavic and Germanic surnames as well.
polmed 1 | 217    
22 Oct 2011  #147

Soon, we will find out from disillusioned losers , that all professional people are disguised Jews in fact , how pathetic .

you're some polack who couldn't even finish high school.

Your obvious anti- Polish resentment , haughtness and arrogance is not winning you friends all over the world , you are on the same side as Hitler once was and look what happened to your nation - perished . Be humble and don`t insult other people , especially when you are a Jew .
magpie 6 | 133    
22 Oct 2011  #148

what in god's name is this thread even about now?

To see how many times you can get the word 'liar' in any one post, I think.
boletus 30 | 1,367    
22 Oct 2011  #149

Yet out of the three Polish names you pointed out, one has a clearly Jewish surname

I was trying to be fair and I did it purposely. The origin of Maciej's last name could be Polish, Jewish or German. I have no desire to be checking it out, since I am not a racist or I am not convinced about superiority of one group of people or another - it does not really matter to me. But I do not like ridiculous claims and this is why I am here in this thread.

But don't you see how stupid his (AlexTheGreat) claim is? Actually the random list I presented shows that most of the authors are actually Chinese - with probability 99% that none of them is actually a hidden Jew.

If you really want to make any meaningful comparison, you have to know a bit about a subject matter, eliminate the outliners, and concentrate on those who publish the most and who are cited the most. In words - do exactly what every self-respecting scientist does in his/her spare time. :-)

Take for example Asher Peres - from Technion-Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa. He has 56 publications on ArXiv.com in Quantum Physics section, in the last 10 years. Well respected.

Then take the Horodeckis family: Michał, Paweł, Karol and Ryszard (the father) - from Gdańsk University. Altogether 168 publication at the same field, during the same period.

Karol - 19
Michał - 113
Paweł - 113
Ryszard - 59
This does not end up to 169 because they often publish together: two, three or even all four of them.

And now - surprise, surprise - go google "Peres-Horodecki criterion" - 52,100 results. Here is the wikipedia entry, if you are interested:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peres-Horodecki_criterion

Apparently, true scientists cooperate. Only arrogant trolls make all sorts of ridiculous statements, like the ones in this thread.
MediaWatch 10 | 947    
22 Oct 2011  #150

I really find your accusation amusing

AlexTheGreat: Except most Poles didn't consider Jews as fellow Polish neighbors for the majority of Polish history..

Perhaps you don’t realize it but it is you who has this need to distinguish who is who and you’re doing just that in this thread. What’s the matter?

That's a good point.

I never understood that double standard.

If Poles merely make an observation about how a citizen of Poland is a Polish Jew (because many Polish Jews are proud of being Jewish and identify themselves as Polish Jews), that is a no no according to Jewish nationalists. But when Jewish nationalists distinguish a Polish citizen as a Polish Jew because he did something they thought was positive, then its OK.

I don't get it.




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