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Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2?


Monia
12 May 2011 #91
do feel free to pop into that thread

Sure, I would pop in ( no need to ask ) if you only stopped distorting facts and blaming me for putting information ( taken from the internet) , which I placed here with no ill intentions . Maybe you have got so much time to dig into subject of new constructions going on in Warsaw , but certainly it was not my intention to put so much energy in studying the subject . But you did it so thoroughly that my help is unnecessary .

no one who has not read a history book,

Ohh , I have to disappoint you , I have read quite few , which doesn`t make me an expert as you are . However I wouldn`t dare to compare my knowledge as even close to yours .

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sascha 1 | 826
12 May 2011 #92
Problem was we fighted all at the same time...GB/France declared a world war because of you, if they hadn't done that you would speak German by now! (And the other half Russian probably).
Think about that when you whine and moan about GB or France again...

The most stupid decision in ww2 was when the austrian idiot ordered operation barbarossa. from then on just downhill.

Germans had way better telecommunications in tanks(Soviets did not even have radiofrequencies) and much better tactics.Germans had also better assault rifles and machine guns.

Useless all those inventions if the deciding person has a complex and doesn't think rational.

All in total many of those inventions in ww2 we still can see in some rudiments nowadays in weapon technology.

Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2?

...to get rid of the Krautfresser. ;)
Harry
12 May 2011 #93
do dogs fly into a blind rage while you pass them by in the streets of Warsaw, Great Danes with spiked collars and babcia’s in flight on other end of the leash? Don’ lie to me! :) Did your dad lie to you every time he asked if you wanted to play doctor with him..? Does he remind you of your Polish dentist? :)

I fear that you may be projecting your own life onto me. Apart from the fact that those Great Danes of your imagination are in reality sausage dogs.

if you only stopped distorting facts

Got to love that: you lie blatantly and then complain about me 'distorting facts'.

taken from the internet

Actually no, you claimed to have personal knowledge and I believe even offered to take photos for us.

Ohh , I have to disappoint you , I have read quite few

Yes, but perhaps you should try some which have more words than pictures?
sascha 1 | 826
12 May 2011 #94
those Great Danes

They are nice dogs, can be sometimes agressive but mostly they are o.k.. Were they actually used in wars, f.e. when russia attacked poland? ;)
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
12 May 2011 #95
I fear that you may be projecting your own life onto me

me no have no polish dentist... me no have no teeth..:(

Apart from the fact that those Great Danes of your imagination are in reality sausage dogs.

lol packs of feral sausage dogs bearing down on Harry, the meanest and toughest of them all, the ones that, in their bloodlust, didn’t choke themselves to death on babcias’ leash…

;)
legend 3 | 664
12 May 2011 #96
but less than ½ of them were mobilized by 1 September....

exactly numbers.

The Polish Air Force lacked modern fighters,

exactly numbers again. considering we had planes which werent as modern we shot down a fair ratio vs the germans. sort of like monoplanes vs biplanes.

only 37 P-37 £oś bombers were modern and comparable to its German counterparts.

37 numbers agian.

only 140 tanks were produced between 1935 and the outbreak of the war.

numbers again AMAZING ISNT IT?!

It's not as if Germany was even making particularly unreasonable demands (the return of a 95% German city and an extraterritorial corridor across land which cut Germany in two).

the demands were ridiculuos. why should poland give its only access to the water (baltic sea) to a city which ORIGINALLY was Polish. Gdansk.

...

bunch of useless facts from wiki

none of which is 1939 (and what we are talking about in this topic).
PolskiMoc 4 | 324
13 May 2011 #97
...did I miss something? :)
Poland rocked in WWII ;)

Poland had about 2,000 less tanks than Germans & more than 4,000 less tanks than Soviets. Poland did quite well considering. I mean France + England had 1,000 more Tanks than Germans & they only lasted a few days longer.

The Netherlands only lasted 4 days & Norway & Denmark combined only lasted 1 day.

So Poland really fought very well in WW2 compared to others. England only did well later on because it was protected by the English channel.

But the English were useless like on land at dunkirk.

The Polish 7TP tank & 9TP was generally supeiror German tanks.'

Remember the German tank superiority comes out of Czech Republic.

The best German tanks during the Invasion of Poland were Czech Skoda tanks liek the (t) 35

Then later Ferdinand Porsche who came from Czech lands invented the Tiger tanks the Elefant Tanks & then Panzer VIII Maus tank.

Porsche probably was of Czech roots. Because his name suggests he is of Slavic orgins.

Much like German Nazis took Maria Ortisch as the ideal German beauty
But, her real name was Maria Orsic & she was from Croatia & when she came to Germany they changed her Ortisch

Also Polish Wz 35 anti tank guns were superior to German anti tank guns

Then how do you explain the "Operation Paperclip"???
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
operationpaperclip.info
jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/OperationPaperclip.html

Getting german tech, patents and scientists into the West shouldn't had been necessary if they were all on the same page... ;)

Operation paperclip?
Yeah & Wernher Von Braun was highly influenced by the Polish Russian Konstantin Ciolkowski (Tsiolkovsky)
Wernher Von Braun highlighted just about every page of Ciolkowski

The Invention of the Multistage rocket goes back to Polish Kazimierz Siemienowicz

Let's not forget Wernher Von Braun was born in Polish lands & His Father came from Kognisburg where almost all Germans are mixed with Slavic.

Wernher Von Braun has a Slavic shaped head.

Herman Oberth came from Romania & Herman Oberth looked more Romanian than German LOL
Harry
13 May 2011 #98
the demands were ridiculuos. why should poland give its only access to the water (baltic sea) to a city which ORIGINALLY was Polish. Gdansk.

The request was for an extraterritorial highway across the Polish corridor, not for Poland's access to the sea. As for Gdansk, in 1939 Danzig was most certainly German. It would be that way today were it not for ethnic cleansing and colonisation.

Wernher Von Braun has a Slavic shaped head.

Oh look: a Polish Nazi!
PolskiMoc 4 | 324
13 May 2011 #99
PolskiMoc: Wernher Von Braun has a Slavic shaped head.
Oh look: a Polish Nazi!

Look at this picture.

Wernher Von Braun's head is very slavic shaped.

No, I hate Nazis. Nazis helped create Israel & Promoted the Islamification of Europe.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
13 May 2011 #100
We got our asses kicked because of number 1 reason numbers.

I would say that's at least half the reason.

So hopefully Poland will learn from this and increase its population now. Poland just increasing its population by a few million in the next 5-10 years will be very beneficial to Poland in many ways. If it doesn't, that will only hinder Poland.

When I first learned about WWII, I thought Germany had like 42 million people and Poland had like 32 million people. Instead Germany had 71 million people (virtually homogenous) while Poland had about 31 million people with an ethnic Polish population of only 25 million people (while havng non-Poles less loyal to Poland then the ethnic Poles). I had no idea the German population was so much bigger.

Germany back in WWII had a nice big juicy youthful ethnic German population that was just chomping at the bit to fight (Not so today at all). Germany also initially only had about 45-60 days worth of oil and resources for its army. Germany only got several years worth of war supplies when it signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with Soviet Russia which assured Germany of almost limitless war resources. Without the unlimited war resources, the Nazi German army would have run out of gas.....literally, within 60 days of invading Poland. Without those Soviet supplies, the German war machine would have been nothing after 60 days. And Soviet Russia, despite having almost twice as many people as Germany, didn't dare invade much smaller Poland until it knew Germany was well into Poland. Neither Germany or Russia were ever successful in invading Poland (and holding it down) WITHOUT each other's help, despite each nation haveing large numerical advantages over Poland.

Today, Germany has about 81 million people. 22% of Germany is 65 years and older and the average age is 46.. Not exactly the fighting type of demographic. About 10 million people in Germany are non-German so the ethnic German population is about 26% age 65 and older and the average age of the ethnic German is about 48.

The average Pole is about 37, the population is about 39 million and about 15% of the Polish population is 65 and older. Its good Poland improved its demographics much more then Germany improve hers since the end of WWII but it needs to do more just in case there maybe some aggression coming from Germany. I don't think there will, but you never know.

One of the keys to Poland's security is its population numbers numbers numbers numbers. In Europe, he who has growing population numbers.... has a future. Its no coincidence that the most influential countries in Europe have the biggest population numbers.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
13 May 2011 #101
The average Pole is about 37, the population is about 39 million and about 15% of the Polish population is 65 and older. Its good Poland improved its demographics much more then Germany improve hers since the end of WWII but it needs to do more just in case there maybe some aggression coming from Germany. I don't think there will, but you never know.

Unfortunatly the average 37 year old Pole is not living in Poland...he is working in Germany , or France , or the UK....
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
13 May 2011 #102
In Europe, he who has growing population numbers.... has a future.

But yet Malta and Estonia do just fine, despite being tiny.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,432
13 May 2011 #103
So hopefully Poland will learn from this and increase its population now. Poland just increasing its population by a few million in the next 5-10 years will be very beneficial to Poland in many ways. If it doesn't, that will only hinder Poland.

Are you planning to go to war? ;)
wildrover 98 | 4,451
13 May 2011 #104
In Europe, he who has growing population numbers.... has a future.

Or a lot of unemployed people.....
ZIGGYPULASKI
14 May 2011 #105
Still talking about the past?That shadow from 1939 sure is a long one.How long are you Eastern Europeans going to hate each other?another 1000 years give or take a few hundred?.Its always the same movies german,russians and poles hate each other and then there is the double feature czech hates pole and pole hates ukrainian etc ad naseaum.What i cant get is how long do the children have to pay for the sins of the grandfather?(Do yourself a favor and try not to drag the jews into this one I know you need distractions but give it a try)Oh the Prussians stole our land in 1743,the Russians were after our grain,The Kaiser tried to Germanize Poland etc etc.What I cant get is you're all Christians? OOPS did I say that Oh I see, its about the Estern Orthodix hating the Cathiolics and vice versa and the Protestants hating the Catholics and vice versa etc etc.How did the worlds most cultured and intelligent people create so much atrocity..Well goodbye for now,I have to go to sleep,I hope I wont be haunted by nightmares from

Eastern Europe
guesswho 4 | 1,289
14 May 2011 #106
hating

yep, this is what I keep saying on PF too, the war is over, move on.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
14 May 2011 #107
So many morons patronising Poles when Poles dont even read this forum:)))))
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
15 May 2011 #108
Simply Poles are so backward that they are barely can put together their own letters. Needless to say that foreign language causes them a great deal of trouble....
Torq
15 May 2011 #109
Needless to say that foreign language causes them a great deal of trouble....

As opposed to our dear Asian neighbours - Russians, who are foreign languages masters...

that they are barely can put together

... :D
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 May 2011 #110
Less of the insults and more discussion, CK. How does it feel to come from a country with a nihilistic government which has demonstrated almost zero respect for its people throughout the years and which was ruthlessly opportunistic in WWII? How sneaky was Katyń? Vulture culture :(
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
15 May 2011 #111
... :D

Shame on me... Certainly it should be "are able")). But I have excuse, for Russia is so enormously great that we do not need to speak English well. Instead you have to learn Russian!
Torq
15 May 2011 #112
Instead you have to learn Russian!

Sorry, but I have no interest in Mongolic languages.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
15 May 2011 #113
nihilistic government which has demonstrated almost zero respect for its people

Seanus, with all my respect to your person, you simply have only faint understanding of Russian cultural life, whirlpool of ideas and notices inside our society.

ConstantineK: Instead you have to learn Russian!

Sorry, but I have no interest in Mongolic language

Sorry Torq, but the time will come and you will not have a choice. Nobody will be concerned with your personal fillings and attitudes.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 May 2011 #114
CK, that's just an assumption of yours about me so I will see fit to ignore it and point to facts. Kasparov and so many others (remember Sasha here?) have worked to democratise Russia but you have a leader who spoke well of a man perhaps even more evil than Hitler in Stalin. Hitler rallied his people (well, the people he commanded anyway) whilst Stalin killed his. The Soviets wanted the largest share of the spoils possible and America wanted a new enemy. Your grabbing at Berlin was further evidence of Soviet imperialism. Tell me, CK, what are your views on communism? I ask almost anyone here and they are against but so many Soviets lapped it up like the soup of the day (soup of the decades in your case). Remember, your WWII history is one of the vulture culture.

CK, I don't pretend to have a wealth of knowledge on Russia but I go with those that do.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
15 May 2011 #115
Kasparov and so many others

Oh my god, please leave this "zhid" and his friends alone. I have no intention to discuss their idiotic ideas. All in Russia are tired of their burlesque activity. It is well enough that we, Russians, tolerate them.

Tell me, CK, what are your views on communism?

Seanus, you know my views very well. Though I am not communist, but I respect communism as idea of equal happiness and wellbeing.

have worked to democratise Russia

Now Russia is sufficiently democratic state. I would assert the fact that Russia is even more democratic than US.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 May 2011 #116
What does his being Jewish have anything to do with it? He speaks Russian as well as you do and I'm quite sure that he knows the regime every bit as well as you do, if not better. He spends a lot of his time analysing it, do you? Less of the Jewish slurs, please.

Animal Farm is in the post :)

Democratic state? ROTFL. How exactly?

Now let's get back on topic. Why did Russia attack Poland in WWII? To seize and inculcate.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
15 May 2011 #117
What does his being Jewish have anything to do with it? He speaks Russian as well as you do and I'm quite sure that he knows the regime every bit as well as you do, if not better. He spends a lot of his time analysing it, do you? Less of the Jewish slurs, please.

Have you read Bulgakov's prose? To be precise, Heart of a Dog's? Prof. Preobrazhensky once said that everyone has to do his particular work. Worker has to work at a plant, doctor has to cure etc. Otherwise the life of the society will fall into total disarray. So, this Zhid, personally I have nothing against Jews, but Kasparov is Zhid, has to play chess. Instead he is trying to do the job which is totally uncharacteristic for him.

Democratic state? ROTFL. How exactly?

The same way as you have it on the western part of the world. With some flaws, but certainly democratic. And common people perfectly understand this and will vote for Medvedev-Putin again, not for Kasparov

This thread is wandering from the original topic
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 May 2011 #118
I'll reply via PM as you seem to be totally incapable of keeping on track, CK.

Let me guess, CK, Russia did no wrong in WWII with respect to Poland, right? Everything was noble and you helped out where you could, right?
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
15 May 2011 #119
Let me guess, CK, Russia did no wrong in WWII with respect to Poland, right? Everything was noble and you helped out where you could, right?

Not at all. But at least we deserve more respect than Brits and Fanks who left Poland as prey of Hitler. I am 100% sure that Brits being on Russian place would simply have concluded separate treaty with Hitler leaving Poland in his sphere. Instead you profane the memory of those heroes who gave their lives to free Poland.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 May 2011 #120
Oh really? Britain entered very quickly whilst Russia sat as an observer til Apr 1940. I'm not saying that Britain helped out Poland, they didn't, but we opened up different fronts long before you guys got away from your vodka. Much depends on leaders, CK, so forget the word 'Brits'. Winston Churchill was a bumptious man that didn't like Poles that much so Poland wasn't a priority for him. That shouldn't reflect on your standard Brit as leaders often take the helm and navigate with the help of a select few individuals to see through their various strategies.

Maybe we didn't save Poland but at least we didn't attack it like a vulture after the Nazis had done the dirty work.


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