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Give Poland back it's lost land !


gumishu 11 | 4,956
4 Jan 2019  #91
no I'm not a muslim and I thouroughly despise Islam which is even more toxic to true spirituality than christianity - the teaching I follow can be found here askrealjesus.com and the affiliated websites

as for politics i support the current Polish government but not blindly so - though in the current Polish political scene there is nothing better

the current Polish government can't be classified in terms of the opposition leftists vs conservatives - as they are socially minded but still conservative (no state promotion of in-vitro, no gay marriages, and against free access to abortion) - I share these views with them - I support free market but believe state should have an eye on it at least not allowing laws to be passed giving existing companies near monopolies
Ironside 47 | 9,572
5 Jan 2019  #92
First of all Vilnius was founded and built by Lithuanians

London was build and founded by the Romans, So what? The same goes for Wilno, It doesn't mean some Leuitava 1000 years later hold God's given rights to it.

Anyhow historically during the tribal times Trakai was 'a capital.' At the time Wilno was some castles or fort. Only union with Poland and Polish settlers made Wilno into a mayor city and later a capital of the Dutchy. You seems to have it wrong.

Country that call itself Lithuania has no rights whatsoever to Wilno because they are not heirs of the Grand duchy of Lithuania nor Commonwealth. Trying to claim a land and a city with people who didn't share their views it was just an aggression, it was an attempt on conquest.

you are wasting your time

Go and waste your time somewhere else nutter, you got depression, bet you're familiar with pot and other stuff. leave the talking to people without such major mental disorders. I don't butt into your lame epistolography on this forum, talking BS about you. Have some manners if you lack common sense,

What kind of discrimination?

For example restitution of the land. School system, minority rights under EU directives. All that is sabotaged by that funny state called who knows why - Lithuania.

Ah, talking about Putin - who sitting in his pocket? Getting money from him via some Russian state company - GrybauskaitÄ—.
Lithuanian Man
5 Jan 2019  #93
I see that you are just a delusioned polish chauwinist, and a total hypocrite, discussing with you is truly a waste of time. And your lack of basic manners... Good luck to you sir, and I hope we never speak again.
gumishu 11 | 4,956
5 Jan 2019  #94
noone sane in Poland wants Vilnius back - there is a bunch of nationalist who do - but I would hesitate to call them rational
Ironside 47 | 9,572
5 Jan 2019  #95
I see that you are just a delusioned polish chauwinist, and a total hypocrit

You should stand in front of the mirror and take a good look at yourself. You had a chance to learn something or at the very least have your knowledge and convictions challenged/

Instead you choose to run away like a mingy coward. A Good riddance.
mafketis 17 | 6,875
5 Jan 2019  #96
Country that call itself Lithuania has no rights whatsoever to Wilno

So what do you want to do about it? Invade?
gumishu 11 | 4,956
5 Jan 2019  #97
yeah - gather a bunch of football hooligans and go on a conquest spree on the eastern side of the border - the guys know how to wield a baseball bat :P
Ironside 47 | 9,572
5 Jan 2019  #98
So what do you want to do about it? Invade?

No, I want for them to have reality check and to behave. Poland could use a friendly neighbor that doesn't discriminate against their Polish minority and realise that the best investment into their own independence and the very existence of their country is to have a good relations with Poland.

So far they are acting as if they were some regional power or whatnot with Poland as their enemy. So dumb.

eah - gather a bunch of football hooligans

dude they don't even have air forces and their reserves or manpower is just pitifully low. Poland could take on them anytime and win.
pawian 153 | 8,369
16 Feb 2019  #99
That`s madness. How can a NATO member attack another member? Please, come to your senses, your arguments are ridiculous, don`t let emotions carry you beyond all limits.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,274
16 Feb 2019  #100
That's what happens when anger overpowers reason and when one lives in a time warp and on a different planet. Your reaction is fully justified.

Now, you can give credit me for clarity and no weasel words.
Vlad1234 14 | 544
16 Feb 2019  #101
Why Poland does need to recover its former lands when ethnic Polish population is in decline? A nations have reasons to expand their borders when their population is on the rise. To get territories populated by Ukrainians and Belarussians and be happy? Maybe its better just to create Europe with no borders?
Torq 26 | 2,362
16 Feb 2019  #102
Why Poland does need to recover its former lands

She doesn't.

We still have enough underdeveloped and poor regions in Poland to even consider incorporating backwards eastern lands, with huge national minorities living on them. A recipe for disaster.

No political party (no matter how marginal and insignificant) even brings up the topic nowadays. It's a non-issue.
pawian 153 | 8,369
16 Feb 2019  #103
Now, you can give credit me for clarity and no weasel words.

Ok, I give credit you for no clarity and weasel words.
Which flag should I salute now? :):)
Vlad1234 14 | 544
18 Feb 2019  #104
No political party (no matter how marginal and insignificant) even brings up the topic nowadays. It's a non-issue.

Nowdays - obviously no. However there could be an interesting question about the distant future. Which European countries may recombine or form a confederacy. For example, I wouldn't be wondered to see Germany and Austria joining in the same state or forming a confederacy someday. The same thing may happen to some Slavic countries as well. Shell we move towards the World without the borders or what?
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,274
18 Feb 2019  #105
Right after we make doors, walls, locks, and individual bank accounts illegal.
Torq 26 | 2,362
18 Feb 2019  #106
The same thing may happen to some Slavic countries as well.

Intermarium is a nice idea for a Central European Federation...



Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,013
18 Feb 2019  #107
Federations are the future...especially for the smaller countries. There just is no other way to keep up with the building super blocs. That's a geo-strategical phenomenon developing in the next decades.

A if not THE main challenge for our politicos and elites.
Torq 26 | 2,362
18 Feb 2019  #108
Correct.

Unfortunately the EU doesn't seem to do much to counter such tendencies. On the contrary, there are attempts at creating blocks within the EU (Core EU, Germany-France alliance, "Two Speeds Europe" etc. etc.), so it looks like smaller blocks of countries are indeed the future of our continent with EU remaining something of a loose symbol, like The African Union.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,013
18 Feb 2019  #109
Unfortunately the EU doesn't seem to do much to counter such tendencies.

The EU is already such a federation. She puts us Europeans in a prime position compared to most other regions. To throw this all away would be madness!

To break up the EU to build something of an Intermarium is one step back, an unnecessary step back. Instead I would prefer the V4 or V6 or Vx INSIDE the EU.

Also a two speed - Europe could help. It will still need a long time to synchronize all european countries and to put them on the same levels, economically and politically. There must be found ways to handle that in the meantime without having to break it all up. A two- or three speed Europe could help.

Not several federations inside Europe should be pitted against each other but the EU should be our super bloc to give us a fighting chance against the upcoming blocs from other world regions.

That doesn't mean that will all work only when we become "one", that will most probably never happen. It won't be even necessary. No super bloc of the future will be totally homogeneous! No matter the region, to many people will be involved.
Torq 26 | 2,362
18 Feb 2019  #110
Hmm... perhaps you're right, BB. V4 plus the Baltics, Croatia, Slovenia, Romania and Bulgaria could form one such block within the EU. Intermarium without Ukraine and Belarus should work well too.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,013
18 Feb 2019  #111
Better we hash it out in Brussels, hacking at each other over tables, as going up against each other economically or even militarily again...that way are only losers!

And the bigger the voice the VX have in Brussels the less reason to moan and groan about "them" in Brussels and "these Germanazis" again...and the more ways to make the EU also "theirs"!

...then there is still the dire need of an EU footie team!!! :)

PS: I'm not sure about the Baltics and Croatia as part of any VX though...
Torq 26 | 2,362
18 Feb 2019  #112
Exactly. :)

Having the EU footie team would be rather harsh on the rest of the world. I can't see any team in the world capable of offering any sort of resistance to such joint team.

P.S. Why the doubts regarding Croats and Balts?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,013
18 Feb 2019  #113
I can't see any team in the world capable of offering any sort of resistance to such joint team.

We would soooo rule!!!! :):):)

P.S. Why the doubts regarding Croats and Balts?

Where is the historical connection to an Intermarium? I see them rather in a nothern federation (Baltics) or a central federation (Croatia)...

For Central...you have to make place for Germany somewhere...we are so central too! :)
Torq 26 | 2,362
18 Feb 2019  #114
You couldn't be more central if you tried! :) Remember our old Central Euopean Empire plans? LOL
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,013
18 Feb 2019  #115
How could I forget! I tell you...one time in the future!!! :)
Ziemowit 12 | 3,370
18 Feb 2019  #116
Mitteleuropa? (Jestem za, a nawet przeciw!)
Vlad1234 14 | 544
18 Feb 2019  #117
Torq writes:
Hmm... perhaps you're right, BB. V4 plus the Baltics, Croatia, Slovenia, Romania and Bulgaria could form one such block

within the EU. Intermarium without Ukraine and Belarus should work well too.

Don't worry. Soon Ukrainians and Belarussians will extinct and due to demographic tendencies you will border other nations to the East and have millions of them inside of Poland. But in difference from Ukrainians you will not be able to show even slightest dissatisfaction with them. And guess why?

youtube.com/watch?v=_FlBCJbb2oo&list=RD_FlBCJbb2oo&start_radio=1
Torq 26 | 2,362
18 Feb 2019  #118
But in difference from Ukrainians you will not be able to show even slightest dissatisfaction with them.

Who's showing dissatisfacton with Ukrainians? They are generally honest and hard-working bunch, and integrate in Poland very well.

BB's point (and mine) was that neither Ukraine nor Belarus are EU members, and that might be a problem if they were to be included in the EU-Intermarium group.
Vlad1234 14 | 544
18 Feb 2019  #119
Sorry if I understood you in a wrong way. To some extent I was joking. However it seems Ukrainians are often beaten severely in Poland nowdays (though I don't claim it characterizes attitude of majority toward them).
Torq 26 | 2,362
18 Feb 2019  #120
No problem. I don't think most people in Poland are in any way hostile towards Ukrainians--actually with such a huge number of them coming here in recent years, there have been surprisingly few incidents. For me personally, they are the best immigrants ever (culturally and linguistically similar, showing respect towards Poland, and willing to work hard).

By the way - according to this article...

nczas.com/2019/02/18/szokujace-wyniki-sondazu-wiecej-polakow-chcialoby-ukrainy-w-nato-niz-sami-ukraincy/

... Poles are more pro-Ukrainian than Ukrainians themselves! :)


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