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"Poland's Concentration Camp" ??


Harry
29 May 2008 #271
- calling me an antisemite, which is a libel
- calling me your "favourite" antisemite, which indicates you support antisemites.

- See you in court. Bring a very good lawyer.
- I just love the way you post. That makes you my favourite.

seclusion camp.. lol um no,

The Polish government prefer that name:
"the Bereza Kartuska seclusion camp"
msz.gov.pl/Intervention,of,the,Embassy,of,Poland,in,Paris,against,the,term,%E2%80%9EPolish,concentration,camp%E2%80%9D,used,on,the,memorial,plaque,for,Aron,Skrobek,14381.html
z_darius 14 | 3,968
29 May 2008 #272
See you in court. Bring a very good lawyer.

I'll give it a wait.
The way you spew hatred against Poles there may be no need. Someone living in Poland and reading the hate filled posts of yours may take care of you beforehand. I would be neither surprised nor sad.
Harry
29 May 2008 #273
Someone living in Poland and reading the hate filled posts of yours may take care of you beforehand.

I've been here for 13 years and nobody has yet.
Crnogorac 3 | 111
29 May 2008 #274
More lies from our favourite anti-semite. See the difference? Or do you just not care about truth?

Israel is an anti-semitic state. They are killing true semites - Palestinians tj. Arabs, every day in a genocide from 1948 which lasts until today.
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654
29 May 2008 #275
Did you used to live in the Tri City Harry?
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
29 May 2008 #276
Bereza was more like a more brutal version of Guantanamo, where you got kidnapped to if you stepped on the wrong toes and where torture and humiliation was the order of the day.

and look at the amount of deaths compared to * real * concentration/death camps.. did the guards at this facility take all the political prisoners and gun

them down? gas them?

again I say , no comparison.. Poland as any other country is not perfect by
any means .. but this type of behavior was going on in all regions.. and I am
sure if you google it, you find much worse going on in other countries that
would make people vomit at the thought.

example
select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30A17F83F5F11738DDDAC0994DC405B818FF1D3

does it make it right that they were tortured? no.. does this happen today
of course it does.. but comparing it to the genocide nazi's intended to perform
on all who were opposing them.. including their own .. I dont even know
why anyone would compare..
cyg 5 | 119
29 May 2008 #277
Jeez, Patrycja, do you try to at least understand who's saying what, or do you just respond with the same mantra to everyone? You begin by quoting my post, but then go on to argue against something I never said, which is that Bereza was comparable to Auschwitz. It didn't have to be to be a horrid s***hole and a serious blemish on Poland's honor, just like Guantanamo is for the US without anyone having been killed there at all.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
29 May 2008 #278
A racist sack of sh*t making racist comments!

That's nothing compared to your hateful crap spread all around the place, you damn punk... oy...

a horrid s***hole and a serious blemish on Poland's honor

You were brainwashed by commie propaganda.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 May 2008 #279
I could have used u guys in my class on racism today. U could have fired up the discussion.
celinski 31 | 1,258
29 May 2008 #280
More lies from our favourite anti-semite

Are you kidding, he is no where near anti semitic. This lead me to this question, how do you define anti Semitic?
Harry
29 May 2008 #281
You were brainwashed by commie propaganda.

Now that really is highly unlikely.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 May 2008 #282
I taught this today. It is someone who is against Semites simply, what they stand for and their ethnicity. I can be more precise but, in a nutshell, that's it
cyg 5 | 119
29 May 2008 #283
You were brainwashed by commie propaganda.

If you think commies were the only ones incarcerated there, think again. Some of the most brutal treatment was reserved for Nationalists, and I wouldn't think they'd like you to think of them as reds.

Accusing someone of commie brainwashing just because he doesn't see pre-war Poland as the promised land is a bit rash, to say the least.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703
29 May 2008 #284
would that be pre war Poland the military dictatorship of Marshal watsisname rydz smigly?
southern 75 | 7,096
29 May 2008 #285
of commie brainwashing

Who brainwashed Harry?
Crnogorac 3 | 111
29 May 2008 #286
It's a pity that an inflamatory creature like that lives in Poland, makes a living in Poland and, and that New Warsaw Express considers it appropriate to employ such hateful individuals.

Classical "rise" for Jewish ties and connections. Above all the most important qualification (not his knowledge or education) is that Harry is a Jew. That is the world of Jewish conspiracy.

We're glad to have him writing a column and an occasional article for us,

Are you at the New Warsaw Express some sort of sado-masochists?

As far as "polonophobia" (a horrid word - makes us sound diseased or something) - being Polish myself, and having known Harry for a number of years, I can definitely assure you that he is nothing of what you allege.

A wolf may change his coat, but his behaviour never.

If not succumbing to national myths and having an independent point of view means you're a polonophobe, then I'm one too.

Your newspaper is most likely on the payroll of George Soros, who finances you to publish attacks on Poles, ridicule the Catholic Church and degrade anything Polish.

Harry and I have had our share of disagreements, and I've often thought he argues points that don't really need it, but I've never felt that he has any sort of bias against Poles or Poland.

Then you must be blind with your eyes wide open.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
29 May 2008 #287
Who brainwashed Harry?

First of all there's nothing to wash...
cyg 5 | 119
30 May 2008 #288
Your newspaper is most likely on the payroll of George Soros

I damn well wish it was - half of my worldly worries would disappear. Alas, my considerable Masonic/Jewish/whathaveyounot influence doesn't reach that high.

Then you must be blind with your eyes wide open.

Yeah, right. Let's just say you know everything better than I do and get it over with.
Harry
30 May 2008 #289
I damn well wish it was - half of my worldly worries would disappear. Alas, my considerable Masonic/Jewish/whathaveyounot influence doesn't reach that high.

Don't worry about it, I'll have a word down the lodge next week. I'm sure the illuminati guys there can put you in touch with George.

Classical "rise" for Jewish ties and connections. Above all the most important qualification (not his knowledge or education) is that Harry is a Jew. That is the world of Jewish conspiracy.

You are just so perceptive. Why didn't it occur to me before that I got my job because I'm Jewish?
swiggsy 1 | 4
30 May 2008 #290
well you did, didn't you barry.
Harry
30 May 2008 #291
Not quite.
swiggsy 1 | 4
30 May 2008 #292
well you didn't get it from your skill on the trampoline did you.
southern 75 | 7,096
30 May 2008 #293
Not quite.

Maybe this is Mata Harry.
Piorun - | 658
30 May 2008 #294
Your newspaper is most likely on the payroll of George Soros

Soros? I don’t think so! Their weekly publication reaches 7000 subscribers and it’s distributed as PDF in email and the print version is no longer around. With such a views and great minds at work as Harry somehow I’m not surprised. And cyg are you Cygielski? one of the Translators of The Last Eyewitnesses, Volume 2 : The Children of the Holocaust Speak.
cyg 5 | 119
30 May 2008 #295
And cyg are you Cygielski?

Is that a trick question?
Piorun - | 658
30 May 2008 #296
A trick question? Not at all. I think you wrote couple of human interest articles about polish migrant workers. One of them was about people from Siemiatycze traveling to Belgium in search of illegal work before Poland joined EU, so I thought you might have been involved in that project. If so I would like to know if it’s worth reading.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
30 May 2008 #297
Jeez, Patrycja, do you try to at least understand who's saying what, or do you just respond with the same mantra to everyone

you are right. I apologize for jumping to fast.. and I do agree with you on that
is was a serious blemish. but that is about it,, and prob comparable to various
other countries who had /built such places to hold political prisoners.
cyg 5 | 119
31 May 2008 #298
One of them was about people from Siemiatycze traveling to Belgium in search of illegal work before Poland joined EU, so I thought you might have been involved in that project. If so I would like to know if it’s worth reading.

Aaaah. Sorry about jumping on you but after reading some of the conversation here I thought I saw a "see - he's in with the Jews" thing coming.

In fact, I only took the pictures for the CSM story about Siemiatycze. Someone else wrote the articles.

As far as the book goes, I think it's worth reading if you're interested in that segment of history. However, I'd say the first volume is probably more valuable as a primary source because of the method in which the stories were collected - as a survey for association membership, originally not meant for publication. That means they're much more matter-of-fact than the second book, where some of the authors try to get artistic with their account, sometimes to no great effect.

Both give a slightly different perspective than most Holocaust stories because the people involved actually stayed in Poland and often had normal, full lives afterwards. The gradations of good and evil are much more subtly distributed than in some other accounts I've seen/read. That doesn't mean they're a pleasant read, though.
Piorun - | 658
31 May 2008 #299
I’m not at all interested in the conclusion of the author or the politics involved when reading such accounts but rather how people manage to cope with hardship of life. War time stories are of particular interest to me because they represent the extremes of what life can throw at you. Being the accounts of a common soldier or a civilian it gives a small insight to their thoughts, feelings and state of mind at that particular situation and how they manage to deal with it. Since I’m not familiar with authors’ style of writing I was hoping you would give me a bit more insight. The more actual quotes in the book, the better. If you could elaborate a bit more from this perspective I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks
cyg 5 | 119
31 May 2008 #300
Both volumes are collections of first-person accounts by survivors, with only an introduction added by the main editor, himself a Holocaust survivor. I'm not sure how much editing was done on the individual pieces before I got them to translate, though my understanding was that they wanted to keep them as authentic as possible.


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