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Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland


gumishu 11 | 5,632
6 Aug 2011 #91
well, it is theirs now - and let it stay so - and let them anything they desire with that - if for example some monument hurt their feelings too much why should we expect of them not too get rid of these - it is Ukrainian responsibility what level of amity they have with other nations
grubas 12 | 1,390
6 Aug 2011 #92
I like repeating myself (OK I lied) every Pole who says we should consider going after Lwów again is nuts

I am not saying we should go agressivelly after Lwów at any cost but we must be prepared to snatch it back (as well as Wilno,Grodno and few other towns) when the opportunity comes.

Let's not forget that we are still -80000 sq km as a result of WW2.I want Poland at least 400000 sq km large and a 100 milions strong.

The western lands (which btw were Polish before they were German) I consider a rightfull compensation (kind of war reparations) for German attack and crimes commited in Poland therefor in my opinion our claims in the East are still valid and we should never give up on them.
Palivec - | 380
6 Aug 2011 #93
I think the Taliban would love your arguments...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
gumishu 11 | 5,632
6 Aug 2011 #94
I am not saying we should go agressivelly after Lwów at any cost but we must be prepared to snatch it back (as well as Wilno,Grodno and few other towns) when the opportunity comes.

and I want Poland to be peaceful and friendly to its neighbors - so I very much think of what country the inhabitants of the areas in question want to live in

did you feel the destruction of Bamiyan buddhas as your personal loss? why should not sovereign nations do as they please inside their countries?

if they destroyed all historical buildings in Germany would you feel less German from that point? yes Germany profits from it's history (tourists) but are those old buildings that make you German?
Sebastian 6 | 108
8 Aug 2011 #95
Let's not forget that we are still -80000 sq km as a result of WW2.I want Poland at least 400000 sq km large and a 100 milions strong.

You sound like an ultranationalist nutcase, that deserves to be laughed at. fact is, the vast majority of people in Poland couldn't care less about the border issue. They are more focused on trying to make their own country a better place to live.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 Aug 2011 #96
True, Sebastian. Grubas, you live in the US, right? So what difference does it make to you if you win Lwów back or not? Your beloved Polish government recognised Kosovo and that, for me, is unpardonable.
grubas 12 | 1,390
8 Aug 2011 #97
So what difference does it make to you if you win Lwów back or not?

Stronger and bigger Poland.

Your beloved Polish government

My beloved "Polish" government?If I only took over the power in Poland you would quickly see how I "love" them.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
8 Aug 2011 #98
Stronger and bigger Poland.

Weaker and bigger Poland, more like.

Any idea how much it would cost to bring Western Ukraine up to the same standard as Poland?

hint : about the same amount of money as it has cost Germany so far to integrate East Germany. They're still paying, and East Germany is still dying.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 Aug 2011 #99
Stronger and bigger Poland? Are you seriously advocating imperialism and a drang nach osten here? Britain is much smaller than Poland but could nuke it into next week at the press of a button.

So you are not a PO man then?
grubas 12 | 1,390
8 Aug 2011 #100
Any idea how much it would cost to bring Western Ukraine up to the same standard as Poland?

I wouldn't mind some dworek and few or more hectars of land in Eastern Poland (todays Ukraine) and I don't care about standard.

Stronger and bigger Poland? Are you seriously advocating imperialism and a drang nach osten here? Britain is much smaller than Poland but could nuke it into next week at the press of a button.

And this is exactly why Poland needs nukes so we can make Britain or whoever else a one big glowing parking lot when they try to be too smart.

So you are not a PO man then?

Me?I am not PO,PIS,SLD,PSL.I am a patriot and anarcho-libertarian.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
8 Aug 2011 #101
I wouldn't mind some dworek and few or more hectars of land in Eastern Poland (todays Ukraine) and I don't care about standard.

And what do you think that the Ukrainians are going to say about that? You're dreaming if you think that they're going to roll over and accept it.

And this is exactly why Poland needs nukes so we can make Britain or whoever else a one big glowing parking lot when they try to be too smart.

Yay, let's spend money on nuclear bombs while old people can't afford medicine! Yaaay!
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 Aug 2011 #102
Grubas, killing innocent people in that way is absolutely absurd. Leave dispute resolution to competent and civilised courts.

Fighting for Lwów is yesterday's battle.
f stop 25 | 2,513
8 Aug 2011 #103
anarcho-libertarian

Isn't Somalia anarcho-libertarian?
grubas 12 | 1,390
8 Aug 2011 #104
Somalia is a big mess.Do you even know definition of Anarchy?

Fighting for Lwów is yesterday's battle.

No, it's tomorrow's battle.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 Aug 2011 #105
Ah, the dangers of labels ;) ;)
Sebastian 6 | 108
8 Aug 2011 #106
Me?I am not PO,PIS,SLD,PSL.I am a patriot and anarcho-libertarian.

Can somebody ban this cnut? Seriously, you are talking about nuking innocent people. You deserve to be laughed at. **** off you ultranationalist pig.
grubas 12 | 1,390
8 Aug 2011 #107
Grubas, killing innocent people in that way is absolutely absurd

Bottom line is Poland needs nukes and/or chemical and bacteriological weapons to be respected and feared.And to make sure that nobody messes with us or face annihilation.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
8 Aug 2011 #108
No, it's tomorrow's battle to be lost.

Corrected that for you.

Bottom line is Poland needs nukes and/or chemical and bacteriological weapons to be respected and feared.And to make sure that nobody messes with us or face annihilation.

Meanwhile, millions of elderly people starve and die because of a lack of medicine.
Ironside 50 | 10,907
8 Aug 2011 #110
You sound like an ultranationalist nutcase, that deserves to be laughed at.

With such vocabulary and logic it is you who deserve to be laughed at, come to think about it you should be pitted because of your progressing vascular illness.

Yay, let's spend money on nuclear bombs while old people can't afford medicine!

they cannot afford medicines because that is the way the present world system works......not that you care about welfare of some old people ....low blow phew!
f stop 25 | 2,513
8 Aug 2011 #111
Somalia is a big mess.

Exactly. Anarcho-libertarian mess.
Palivec - | 380
8 Aug 2011 #112
I'm not German, I just lived there. Germany is a multicultural country, you know...
And of course the Bamiyan buddhas are a big loss. Not for me, but for mankind. Such historic monuments tell us who we are and where we came from. And they are great artistic achievements. Destroying them is a attestation of a lack of culture, tolerance and respect. Otherwise the destruction of the Polish culture by the Nazis would be OK too.
gumishu 11 | 5,632
8 Aug 2011 #113
Destroying them is a attestation of a lack of culture, tolerance and respect. Otherwise the destruction of the Polish culture by the Nazis would be OK too.

first of Nazis were an invading force - so you can't say a sovereign nation on its soil was doing things against remains of a specific culture - Palivec you can't make anyone be tolerant, respectful etc - if you try then you yourself become intolerant, disrespectful and lacking in culture - it's pretty simple I guess - you just have to bear with some things - do you honestly think you have a right to intervene if someone destroys ancient works of art that belong to him/her on his own premises (say greek sculputures) - you would have to enter their promises unwarranted - wouldn't you?

Such historic monuments tell us who we are and where we came from

well - it is actually saying that you accept other people to tell you who you are
Palivec - | 380
8 Aug 2011 #114
Who says that I want to intervene? It simply is a basic principle of our Western culture to respect other cultures, it's a central aspect of humanism and the enlightenment. It doesn't matter that the Nazis invaded Poland, they also destroyed many aspects of the German culture. Most forces which destroyed cultural achievements were ideological lunatics... Nazis, Communists, radical Christians, Taliban.
Ghost
8 Aug 2011 #115
Who says that I want to intervene? It simply is a basic principle of our Western culture to respect other cultures, it's a central aspect of humanism and the enlightenment.

Very funny....are German are not western culture ?
Nathan 18 | 1,363
9 Aug 2011 #116
I agree with Palivec on the issue of Bamiyan buddhas and any other monument which belongs to humanity, not just to people of one country. Besides, I doubt that the Afghanis wanted the destruction of these relics. It is an example of utmost stupidity. Interesting that they were older than Islam itself. There are things which are above history and nations - they should be preserved for us and the future.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
9 Aug 2011 #117
Interesting analysis grubas.

That's true a large population of a country gives that country more options, especially if it has a huge youth demographic willing to be aggressive (not necessarily in a military way). That was the key to Nazi Germany's power. It had a large population (by European standards) that Hitler could use to intimidate other countries. Nobody would have ever heard of Germany if it only had 20 million people. The same applies to Russia. These countries only had power because they had biological power ie a large population. Forget about the rest of the world, by European standards, a European country's power was generally linked to the size of its population.

Bottom line is Poland needs nukes and/or chemical and bacteriological weapons to be respected and feared.And to make sure that nobody messes with us or face annihilation.

That sounds fine and good grubas, but I think just as important is increasing Poland's population. If Poland had twice as many Poles in 1939 and the country was virtually homogenous like it is today, Poland would have suffered half as much by the Nazi Germans and Soviet Russians.

Just think how Poland's traditional enemies would crap in their pants if Poland had 100 million people (or even 70 million people). Forget about even starting a war. Poland could seize other nation's territories by doing what other large population nations have always done. Just shove those extra Poles into Germany and Russia and Poland would be defacto annexing those parts of those countries the way Germany has done to Poland and Russia has done to Eastern Ukraine.....and how China is doing it to Russia in southern Siberia, Mexico is trying to do in the southern United states, etc.

Stronger and bigger Poland.

Grubas Poland will not be stronger and bigger if it has more land but with more non-Poles in it. That would only make Poland fragile. Poland was large in 1795 but it was very fragile because of all the non-Poles in it, making it easy for Poland's enemies to take it over with the help of their insider friends who betrayed Poland.
Palivec - | 380
9 Aug 2011 #118
Very funny....are German are not western culture ?

Why don't you quote the rest of my post? Didn't I mention the Nazis?
pawian 177 | 14,597
14 Aug 2011 #119
=MediaWatch]Just shove those extra Poles into Germany and Russia and Poland would be defacto annexing those parts of those countries the way Germany has done to Poland and Russia has done to Eastern Ukraine.....and how China is doing it to Russia in southern Siberia, Mexico is trying to do in the southern United states, etc.

And Albanians in ex-Serbian Kosovo.

This is called reconquest and must be treated seriosuly because precedents proved it might be successful.

Bottom line is Poland needs nukes and/or chemical and bacteriological weapons to be respected and feared.And to make sure that nobody messes with us or face annihilation.

Oh, my God. How frustrated one needs to be to say such things? :):):):)

=grubas]No, it's tomorrow's battle.

Don`t be silly. The case is closed. No Pole will go and fight for Lvov.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
14 Aug 2011 #120
Poland was large in 1795 but it was very fragile because of all the non-Poles in it

Not quite.

The non-Poles were actually happier inside than outside - or have you forgotten your history?

It was Poles that caused Poland to fall, not anyone else.


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