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What was better in Poland under communism?


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
22 Sep 2010  #1
For those old enough to remember, what aspects of life under communism, if any, are fondly remembered by you? Would you like some of them to come back? If so, which?

Personally, I feel a major loss was the demise of the net shopping bag or classic 'siatka'. The transition to those filmy plastic bags in which even a single apple or bread roll is placed into, plus all the other excessive plastic and paper packaging, has contaminated the landscape, plugged up drain pipes (exacerbating the flood situation in palaces) and necessitated a huge and costly recycling campaign. Finally someone thought up the reusable eco shopping bags and is raking in the dough selling them. But all of that would have been unnecessary if the humble but effective 'siatka' had survived. The small stretch type could be rolled up and kept in a pocket or lady's handbag always ready for use.
zetigrek
22 Sep 2010  #2
My dad see lots of advantages of those times but it's because people remember their youth usually as the best time in their life, so does my father who idealizes 70s.

Certainly streets were much safer
People felt more secure about their future
There was no very rich people so there was no divisions in society and jelousy like now it's slowly begining to exist

Among the "small" things:
No graffitis!
southern 75 | 7,097
22 Sep 2010  #3
I was told that during communist times there existed more solidarity among people in Poland.One helped the other.
tow_stalin - | 57
22 Sep 2010  #4
Among the "small" things:

exactly, and nothing more. i remember lines for basic products such as toilet paper or sugar, reglamentation of meat and gasoline, etc. communism was ******.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
22 Sep 2010  #5
Pol3, do you always wake and bake? ;) Based on what my mother-in-law told me, people felt more secure in their jobs given the emphasis on full employment.
Zed - | 195
22 Sep 2010  #6
People felt more secure about their future? What a joke!

Nothing was better under communism, thank God it's long gone...
banior - | 5
22 Sep 2010  #7
I was told that during communist times there existed more solidarity among people in Poland.One helped the other.

I agree. I remember these times.
Sasha 2 | 1,083
22 Sep 2010  #8
How about people?..
bimber94 7 | 254
22 Sep 2010  #9
You could exchange dollars for PRL money 'na czarnym rynku' and get much more money for your money, buy amber/silver jewellery and sell it in the West. Beer - standing in a queue - was about 2p in English money (say 25p today). Happy cheap days if you weren't being beaten up by some nice milicjant doing his duty and maintaining peace and harmony in his workers paradise.
Harry
22 Sep 2010  #10
The small stretch type could be rolled up and kept in a pocket or lady's handbag always ready for use.

You not seen the Onya range of bags?
onyabags.co.uk/shop.php?crn=232
zetigrek
22 Sep 2010  #11
People felt more secure about their future? What a joke!

yes. Many say that.
Plastic Pole52 - | 67
22 Sep 2010  #12
Get a life people.PRLwas NOT a communist country!Some people have had private bussineses and you could exchange złoty for USD or DM or bony PKO on the black market then go to Pewex or Baltona and buy whatever you needed to.I remember half a liter of Wyborowa was $1.50 in Pewex.My first computer (Atari 800 xl) was bought in pewex for $110 in 1986.You could buy western cars in Pol-Mot for "dewizy".And you could travel (if you had "dewizy"),sell stuff abroad, bring stuff to Poland and make money.There were 2 kinds of passports,1 valid only for socialist countries and the other for the rest of the world.I would NEVER leave Poland if it was still PRL. edit you were buying a "diesel" car and you never had problem with fuel.All you needed to do was to stop any trucker any he hooked you up with fuel.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
22 Sep 2010  #13
Poland was called the merriest barracbks of hte communist camp. Esp. under Gierek (who pledged never to open fire on protesters and kept his word!), people say life was more pleasant and less oppressive than in hard-line countries like the GDR, Czechoslovakia or the USSR itself. On the other hand, today's dyed-in-the-wool consumerists migth have preferred the higher living standards enjoyed by East Germans or Czechs.
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
22 Sep 2010  #14
PRLwas NOT a communist country!

From after the second world war to 1956 the system could be best described as stalinist totalitarianism, which is not in the least communism. From 1956 to the very end Poland was a semi-independent state, of which, nevertheless, many people, being currently at the bottom rung of society, have fond memories. As Andrzej Gwiazda said in a TVN programme, discussing 30 anniversary of the strike in August of 1980: When we wanted to hammer the "communists" we were looking for a homeless person, finally, we found one somewhere in Słupsk.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrzej_Gwiazda
zetigrek
22 Sep 2010  #15
Some people have had private bussineses

my grandparents had private business.
Marek11111 9 | 816
22 Sep 2010  #16
you could make money on black market, and I did.
Plastic Pole52 - | 67
22 Sep 2010  #17
My parents also had private business and never had any idea to run away from PRL even though they traveled to western countries and could easily stay there.Ofc in 50ies it was not that sweet and you were oppressed if you wanted to be on your own,but it has changed in 70ies.You could run your own bussines but could hire no more than 15 workers.Calling PRL communist is kinda ignorant considering definition of communism.Only westerners call it communist but they have no clue what PRL was about.And hey, we did have western movies on public "communist" TV.
Ironside 48 | 9,721
22 Sep 2010  #18
sure



for some anyway\
Plastic Pole52 - | 67
22 Sep 2010  #19
He he martial law.I remember on New Year eve my drunk father went out and brought home 2 soldiers.It was the first time I held AK 47 in my hands.
trener zolwia 1 | 940
22 Sep 2010  #20
Calling PRL communist is kinda ignorant considering definition of communism.

This is quite true. Most here think of P-Land a having been Commie back then. I include myself in this ignorance.
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
22 Sep 2010  #21
What did the Solidarity want in the August strike:

21 demands of the Solidarity Trade Union:
portal.unesco.org/ci/en/ev.php-URL_ID=23129&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
Marek11111 9 | 816
22 Sep 2010  #22
1. Acceptance of free trade unions independent of the Communist Party and of enterprises, in accordance with convention No. 87 of the International Labor Organization concerning the right to form free trade unions.

2. A guarantee of the right to strike and of the security of strikers.
3. Compliance with the constitutional guarantee of freedom of speech, the press and publication, including freedom for independent publishers, and the availability of the mass media to representatives of all faiths.

4. A return of former rights to: 1) People
5. Availability to the mass media of information about the formation of the Inter-factory Strike Committee and publication of its demands.
6. Bringing the country out of its crisis situation by the following means: a) making public complete information about the social-economic situation. b) enabling all social classes to take part in discussion of the reform programme.

9. Guaranteed automatic increases in pay on the basis of increases in prices and the decline in real income.
14. Reduction in the age for retirement for women to 50 and for men to 55.
16. Improvements in the working conditions of the health service.

and this what I need in U.S.
NorthMancPolak 4 | 648
22 Sep 2010  #23
What was better under communism?

There was no open-door immigration policy back then :D
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
22 Sep 2010  #24
What did the Solidarity want in the August strike:

And this is why the government eventually came down on Solidarity with the iron fist - the demands were unreasonable and not possible to implement.

The economic situation was dire in 1980 - and to this day, Solidarity have absolutely no idea what is realistic when it comes to work. Retirement at 55 for men? I mean - come on! Many of the problems Poland has today is to do with such over-generous practices.
Ironside 48 | 9,721
22 Sep 2010  #25
Many of the problems Poland has today is to do with such over-generous practices.

What are you buzzing about, generous ?Are you trying to tell that in Poland pay, and economical realities are generous and people are spoiled? You must have be from the otter planet!
Zed - | 195
23 Sep 2010  #26
**** the communists.... it was all so bad........
Marek11111 9 | 816
23 Sep 2010  #27
What was better under communism?

you can not compare as it different live but you could answer like this
" nothing and everything "
beckski 12 | 1,617
23 Sep 2010  #28
My relatives in Lublin still practice some Russian customs. For example, a three kiss greeting on the cheeks.
plk123 8 | 4,150
23 Sep 2010  #29
Russian customs. For example, a three kiss greeting on the cheeks.

that's not a russian only custom.. many slavs, greeks, italians and arabs to the very exact same thing.

Nothing was better under communism, thank God it's long gone...

that's not true..

People felt more secure about their future? What a joke!

as funny as that may sound, that is actually true

Pol3, do you always wake and bake? ;)

pretty sure he does.

You not seen the Onya range of bags?

no, the somewhat resembled onion bags.

Get a life people.PRLwas NOT a communist country!

you're are plastic as that is just a dumb statement as one can ever find on these forums

Calling PRL communist is kinda ignorant considering definition of communism.Only westerners call it communist but they have no clue what PRL was about.

by strict definition of that term, there has never been a truly communist country.. btw. not only westerners called the eastern block communist.. the rulers of poland called themselves communist too/

This is quite true. Most here think of P-Land a having been Commie back then.

it was communist tho

You must have be from the otter planet!

he is..

from what i gather, maybe some education was better?
zetigrek
23 Sep 2010  #30
Are you trying to tell that in Poland pay, and economical realities are generous and people are spoiled?

Universities free of fees IS a sign of spoiled society...
Well I think that too much money in Poland is wasted on pepole who don't need help (check welshguy posts #40 and #42 in this thread) but it's rather more a communism legacy...

you're are plastic as that is just a dumb statement as one can ever find on these forums

it's not the first time when I hear that Poland wasn't technically communistic country as the real communistic country is North Korea...

Fromwikipedia keyword PRL:

Kwestia określenia ustroju społecznego PRL jest sporna - oficjalnie było to państwo socjalistyczne, sami komuniści twierdzili, że nie osiągnięto jeszcze teoretycznego stadium komunizmu, a według Konstytucji państwo demokracji ludowej. Przez przeciwników ustrój ten określany był jako komunizm.

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRL


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