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Has Polish king Sobieski become an idol of right wing extremists?


BartekM 1 | 6
25 Jul 2011  #1
The article says that the Norwegian murderer admired him:

In his manifesto the Norwegian mentioned events from Polish history 47 times.
He admires Polish king Jan III Sobieski, whose victory over Muslims in Wienna in 1683 was a military threat to them for the last time in history.

NomadatNet 1 | 457
25 Jul 2011  #2
It is Church propagands again, to attract people to Churchs more, just as rightiests like..

Sobieski didn't fight against Muslims at Wienna war during the end of 1600s. He fought against Turks. Ottomans till 1600s had also made many wars against Muslims, Arab lands.. Starting 1600s, it was Ottoman's recession, that took 100 years. It was during their weak times of Ottomans that they were defeated in Vienna and in other wars.

So, while Ottomans done more wars with muslims/Arabs than Europeans, saying Europeans fought against Muslims show an illiteracy.
Crow 137 | 7,632
25 Jul 2011  #3
Sobieski was one of greatest Sarmats Draconists, pride of our kind

His majesty Jan Sobieski accepted Serbian call and served as Grand Master of the Dragon Order- taking it under protection of His crown. Europe and Slavic world owe great debt to the immortal King Sobieski

Definitely, Sobieski is one of the reasons why Serbs respect and love Poles

Sobieski didn't fight against Muslims at Wienna war during the end of 1600s.

i would rather say that Sobieski defended Slavic world and Europe from the Muslim invasion. Penetration of Islam onto Slavic Balkan (particularly onto the lands of Racowie/Serbians) directly attacked interests of Poland.
Torq 26 | 2,371
25 Jul 2011  #4
He fought against Turks.

Yes - the same Turks who were always an honourable enemy (if they signed a cease fire, they kept to it)
and who never acknowledged the partitions of Poland ("Has the envoy from Lechistan arrived yet?" - we
remember that), and helped many Poles in hard times (Adampol/Polonezkoy).

We should have allied ourselves to Ottomans, finish off Austria and then take out Russia together.
There would be no partitions of Poland then, and no 123 years of slavery. If good king Sobieski knew
how Austrians would repay Poland, he wouldn't turn husaria against them.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
25 Jul 2011  #5
If Sobieski allied itself with Turks modern day Poland wouldn't exist, at least not as Slavic.

As if Slavs/Serbs lost their identity. Crow, you Serbs don't speak even a single Turkic word. Ask Greeks and Arabs too, they don't, either.

I am not fan of monarchy at all, but, give credit to Ottomans who hadn't assimilated any folks, but, themselves.. Turkey today is the most multicultural country in the world, contrary to known.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
25 Jul 2011  #6
Has Polish king Sobieski become an idol of right wing extremists?

No. He has become a packet of cigarettes...
grubas 12 | 1,391
25 Jul 2011  #7
Yes - the same Turks who were always an honourable enemy.

Don't get to excited.Turks acted this way not because they loved Poles so much but to **** off their enemy Tsarist Russia.
Crow 137 | 7,632
25 Jul 2011  #8
I am not fan of monarchy at all, but, give credit to Ottomans who hadn't assimilated any folks, but, themselves.. Turkey today is the most multicultural country in the world, contrary to known.

of course. When Turks invaded Balkan they were on the level of wild hordes. Their conquest on Balkan and Europe in general civilized them a little bit.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
25 Jul 2011  #9
Let's focus on the vodka he inspired and not right wing extremists. We admire people for weird and wonderful reasons. Best just look at what he did for Poland and leave it at that.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
25 Jul 2011  #10
He has become a packet of cigarettes...

And a bottle of vodka ...



Seanus 15 | 19,706
25 Jul 2011  #11
Please please please, don't let Bruce Willis go into an acting role, playing Sobieski. Mel Gibson as the lead actor in Braveheart for us Celts was bad enough. Don't let the Slavs slide into that trap. Willis, I hope you enjoyed your advertising as that's as far is it will go.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
25 Jul 2011  #12
Please please please, don't let Bruce Willis go into an acting role, playing Sobieski.

Is there an upcoming film?

Mel Gibson as the lead actor in Braveheart for us Celts was bad enough.

Isn't Mel Gibson of Irish descent, Celtic? so what's the problem because he's a Yank?
Loved him in the Bounty... 4:20

youtube.com/watch?v=wUlgVqSeLRk
Seanus 15 | 19,706
25 Jul 2011  #13
Upcoming film? Thankfully not!

Mel Gibson is Australian with American connections, Penn.

Sobieski would have to be played by a worthy candidate.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
25 Jul 2011  #14
Mel Gibson is Australian with American connections, Penn.

Gibson was born in Peekskill, New York
Gibson holds dual Irish and American citizenship
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson
NomadatNet 1 | 457
25 Jul 2011  #15
When Turks invaded Balkan they were on the level of wild hordes. Their conquest on Balkan and Europe in general civilized them a little bit.

Are you talking about the past, 1500 years ago, when Atilla Hun invaded till Rome Empire? Crow, come to this century.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
25 Jul 2011  #16
Keep the Peeskills out of it ;0 :)

He's still Australian :) :)

Now, Sobieski :) :) Why do people feel the need to blight history?

youtube.com/watch?v=Yb2lZ4AKq_Y
Serbian folk :) :) Who's the Serbian equivalent of Sobieski, Crow?

Sobieski's good name should not be trampled on by extremists. His actions should be seen in their right time and context.
A J 4 | 1,088
26 Jul 2011  #17
Has Polish king Sobieski become an idol of right wing extremists?

Man, those misguided and misinformed fools will make *anyone* or *anything* their idol when they think it serves their purpose. I guess that's what people who have an inferiority complex do, they idealise or romanticise someone else, and place that image of non-existent perfection above themselves.

:)

If God exists, and if I would stand before him/her/it, then I'd probably say: Yo buddy, 'sup? On my knees? **** you! I didn't make myself and I *certainly* never asked for it! So idolising and worshipping? Not for me, sorry.

;P

I do worship my girl though. Does that make me a hypocrite?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
26 Jul 2011  #18
There is a far-Right organization in America which calls itself "The Gates of Vienna" and the Norwegian mass murderer titled his manifesto "2083" evidently in referrence to the next centennial anniversary of King Jan's victory over the Turks, in 1683, before those very gates. Henryk Senkiewicz himself is not innocent of using the Polish hero as a mouthpiece for Islamophobia, when in Pan Wolodyowski he has the future king reject the Tartar villian's proposal to settle masses of Tartars in Poland's steppe boarderlands as a bulwark to defend Poland, because giving these masses of Muslim Tartar Polish citizenship would be introducing too much of an alien element into the Christian nation of Poland. I suspect that Sienkiewicz, being well aware of his own Tartar ancestors, was trying to show how definite their conversion to Christianity had been, and how much of a true believer he was himself. I wonder if this proposal had actually been real, and if it had been followed if new masses of Polish Tartars would've helped to save Poland, or if Torq's proposal in post #4 of an Polish-Ottoman alliance would've worked as well. We can never know, but in any event the fact that the Austria betrayed Poland by taking away Poland's sovereignty, when King Jan Sobieski of Poland had saved Austria's Sovereignty only a few decades before, will always make the far-Right propaganda value of the Battle of Vienna's "saving of Christendom" somewhat suspect, because who really needs Islamophobia when "Christian" nations treat one another atrociously anyway.
Llamatic - | 144
26 Jul 2011  #19
Man, you guys are obsessed with the Right...
King Sobieski 2 | 716
26 Jul 2011  #20
He's still Australian :) :)

no he isnt.

most of "our" stars werent born here.

re the topic, leave my disciples alone!!!
Chicago Pollock 7 | 504
26 Jul 2011  #21
It is Church propagands again, to attract people to Churchs more, just as rightiests like..

Lots of truth to this one. Roman Catholic Church propaganda.


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