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Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles?


Exiled 2 | 425
4 Feb 2010 #61
Yes,probably the Germans have built a lot in Poland.And there are regional differences in appearance of polish people according to city which now I have come to understand they come from some certain mixes.
TIT 5 | 211
4 Feb 2010 #62
Bratwurst BoyThreads: 4

and compare them to the UK one :)
I don't talk about numbers of course ;)
just look at websites, you will see who is the ally
Bratwurst Boy 7 | 10,458
4 Feb 2010 #63
and compare them to the UK one :)
I don't talk about numbers of course ;)

I'm not quite sure what you are talking about in the first place...;)

But I would prefer if you would bring some evidence like links and such and not only
unfounded opinons, thank you!
TIT 5 | 211
4 Feb 2010 #64
do your job
OP jasinski 10 | 62
6 Feb 2010 #65
you are so full of **** lithuanian. his whole purpose and drive was to restore a independent poland that is what pilsudski was all about. so what does that say about his feelings(if there ever were any) towards lithuania? he never had any. other than annexing it.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Feb 2010 #66
Some would say he was just an imperialistic terrorist who personally profitted from killing.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
9 Feb 2010 #67
Listen, an interesting discussion on an important man...I see some claim 'he was actually Lithuanian'...Well, then why did the newly independent country not take the name 'Lithuania'?

You know, all over the world, and from the beginning of things, different tribes or ethnics mix...It is what you IDENTIFY as that counts...Pilsudski born in what some call a 'Lithuanian' town, who cares?

Pilsudski the founder of modern Polish nation.

Or perhaps, the liberator of the Polish nation.
bullfrog 6 | 603
9 Feb 2010 #68
Pilsudski the founder of modern Polish nation.

Or perhaps, the liberator of the Polish nation.

I am sure Pilsudki did a lot for the newly independent Poland and is rightly revered. But I must say that I found a little irritating that Poland oscillates between an incapacity to self govern efficiently during centuries (liberum veto et al) and holding in reverence characters like Pilsudski who, if not dictators, were at least on the authoritarian side (it is also troubling that Pilsudski's opponent, R Dmowski, not a strong democrat and probably an antisemite has his name given to a rondo in Warsaw which is the crossroad of the cities' 2 main avenues...)
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
10 Feb 2010 #69
Your observations on Polish government are near the target...Nut, let me say this: If you are a Pole, do not het caught up onto 'anti-semite' nonsense and rhetoric...It shows that someone else does your thinking for you...Poles host Jews for hundreds of years, were one of the few countries that did not expel them...So, a Pole cannot hold an opinion that conflicts with the Jewish worldview?...Nonsense...I say this in reference to Dmowski...Now, I criticize Dmowski, although of course I obly know about him from written material,because he thought

music was unimportant...This I hold against him...Not any remarks he made that Jews don't care for...Tough beans.

Also, on 'democracy'...Democracy today means 'who has the most money and control of the media'...The definition in a nutshell.

Stalin said: 'It doesn't matter who casts the vote: what matters is who counts the votes'.

Today what matters is who controls the media...And, yes, who counts the votes, also...Stalin made some good points in his way to hell.

Poland still hasn't faced up to Jewish psychology...You complain about a street named, or a memorial after Dmowski...In Israel they build monuments to Rabbi Baruch Golstein who walked into a mosque full of men at evening prayer, and machine gunned them in the back.

Some 40+ killed, 90+ wounded...Does this offend you?
hague1cameron - | 85
10 Feb 2010 #70
That wouldn't be the time when the Germans slaughtered each in the 30 years war and looked to Poland (The country that guaranteed its citizens religious toleration in its law) as a place of refuge would it?
marqoz - | 195
11 Feb 2010 #71
Do you really believe Veit Stoss and those printers were in Krakau just accidentally?

Most of them just escaped from their ugly, overpopulated and claustrophobic statelets, full of violence to exercise their right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in more friendly immense kingdom of opportunities. Just as in America later...

The other, masters in their arts and skills Germans, Italians, French, were just headhunted by Polish monarchs and magnates.

OK with it?
Bratwurst Boy 7 | 10,458
11 Feb 2010 #72
OK with it?

Well...Stoss at least returned to his ugly statelet later...(he was forced to do so of course).
But else...why not! Oki :)
marqoz - | 195
11 Feb 2010 #73
BB.
Stoss Veit from Nämberch was a headhunted one - young and promising artisan, which made some money and coined name in Kraków and Gniezno.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
15 Feb 2010 #74
Now you see why Crow wastes his breath with talk of Slavic unity.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Feb 2010 #75
Much hinges on his alleged meeting with the French as a preventive step. To this day, nobody has been able to unearth this document after trawling several archives. Had he done that, it would have been a masterstroke but the jury is out.
marqoz - | 195
21 Feb 2010 #76
nobody has been able to unearth this document

Yes, unfortunately, there is no direct evidence. There are only clues and hints: one letter mentioning French refusal of "something", some trails of German counteractions, some memoirs, changing foreign minister from pacifist one to more devoted one, the Ensign Incident in Gdańsk...

Dariusz Baliszewski wrote about it

Many writers write about Iran and most of it is absolute nonsense!

What does that have to do with anything?
The hypothesis about preventive action is quite plausible. And if you treat seriously diplomacy language it was at least to fly a kite if France wish to stop German remilitarization. The answer was negative and immediately after that new FM Beck started the equal distance policy with Germany and Soviets.

It's not a Michael Moore post-modernistic rubbish goulash or red-green gobbledygook on Man Made Great Global Warming.
Trevek 26 | 1,702
28 Feb 2010 #77
PiS tried to sweep out the corruption and post-commite footholds as part of their IV RP programme, but lacked the majority to push it through.

and, ironically, used a lot of commie-style tactics to do it.

s heart was what won people over.

Isn't his heart now in Lithuania ?
OP jasinski 10 | 62
7 Mar 2010 #78
pilsudski wanted to annex lithuania. he fought for polish independence. krautwurst boy needs to pick up a book once and awhile. and not mein kamph for once.
Mr Grunwald 25 | 1,731
8 Mar 2010 #79
pilsudski wanted to annex lithuania

LOL
If he wanted he would do it. He himself told his generals to leave rest of Lithuania alone as he didn't want Poland to be seen as an occupant of Lithuanians!
OP jasinski 10 | 62
21 Mar 2010 #80
yeah i know. his intentions werent hostile towards lithuania. probably more empathetic. my apoligies.
plk123 8 | 4,150
21 Aug 2010 #81
Is Józef Piłsudski the king of modern Poles?

was a de facto dictator..
OP jasinski 10 | 62
26 Aug 2010 #82
he was a reluctant dictator.
Mr Grunwald 25 | 1,731
27 Aug 2010 #83
was a de facto dictator..

Poland was under a dictatorship from 1926 but I must say, it was one of the most democratical dictatorships ive heard of :)
plk123 8 | 4,150
28 Aug 2010 #84
he was a reluctant dictator.

if he was reluctant, he wouldn't have done it..

Poland was under a dictatorship from 1926 but I must say, it was one of the most democratical dictatorships ive heard of :)

that statement make no sense.. a dictator is a dictator.. nothing democratic about it.
Mr Grunwald 25 | 1,731
30 Aug 2010 #85
that statement make no sense.. a dictator is a dictator.. nothing democratic about it.

totalitarian state, dictatorships.. there are variation...
There was a president.. government... more democratic then I would thought it to be!
Even it's own Jewish "senate" if I don't recall
OP jasinski 10 | 62
3 Sep 2010 #86
he was a son of the old poland the commonwealth. but at the same time he was trying to restore a strong poland( a country that had lost its independednce and its very borders for over a hundred years). he tried to let the politicians(when he stepped down) work it out but they could not and he reluctantly had to take control again. it was a question of nation self preservation and had little to do with morals. and nothing to do with tyranny.
Ozi Dan 26 | 569
3 Sep 2010 #87
was a de facto dictator..

he was a reluctant dictator.

A benevolent dictator perhaps, but a great man nevertheless. Most Poles here in Oz have reliefs or pictures of him on the lounge room wall.

Some would say he was just an imperialistic terrorist who personally profitted from killing.

Pilsudski? Why would you say that?
plk123 8 | 4,150
3 Sep 2010 #88
Seanus:
Some would say he was just an imperialistic terrorist who personally profitted from killing.

Pilsudski? Why would you say that?

well, he did forward the idea of "miedzymorze" which one could describe as imperialistic; same with the aggressions with ukraine and czechs.. terrorist part i dunno... seanus????
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
3 Sep 2010 #89
Any links to those "unbelievable" amounts?

I don't know about the numbers, but some prominent generals, definitely.

Franciszek Kleeberg

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franciszek_Kleeberg

Juliusz Rómmel

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliusz_R%C3%B3mmel

apparently a relative of the desert fox
JozefKPilsudski 3 | 15
5 Jul 2011 #90
What Are Your Thought On Jozef Piłsudski?

I'm 14, born in Britain and am half Polish.
My family in Poland absolutely love Piłsudski and both my great-Grandfathers fought in his army during the Polish-Soviet War.

My question is:
What do my fellow Poles think about my hero, Jozef Piłsudski?

Thanks.


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