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Bieganski 17 | 901
8 Jan 2018 #1,111
we still don't have anti-semitic laws on the statute book.

Nor should there be. To enact so-called "anti-semitic" laws would be an admission that there are differences between people and that Jews are distinct and above all others and therefore need to be singled out for special emphasis, entitlements and protections based solely on their socially constructed identity.

I'm so glad you agree with me on this point.

Indeed, you proudly and repeatedly stated the following on here over the years:

jon357 - ...all humans are descended from a common ancestor

jon357 - ...we are all the same. Human beings.

And we all know that you of all the social justice warriors on here would never post anything to contradict yourself.
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Jan 2018 #1,112
Not the whole country, though

As far as I know, everywhere in pre-partition Poland.

Until Cromwell invited them back, round about the mid-17th century

1655. It was actually a Dutch Jew who mooted the idea, and Cromwell agreed. The main influx came post-1688 under the Orange regime.
kaprys 3 | 2,502
9 Jan 2018 #1,113
So you're saying there were no Jews in pre-partitioned Poland similarly to England for centuries after their expulsion?
kaprys 3 | 2,502
9 Jan 2018 #1,115
I'm sorry. I think I misunderstood your post.
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Jan 2018 #1,116
No worries Kaprys.

It's a complicated issue that has become (deliberately) confused in this thread.For some reason (mostly crapmongers like Bieggyboy) it's become a bit of a Poland v. UK thing. It shouldn't, not least because the history, geography, econony and demogtraphics are so radically different. Both countries have a very rich, complicated and often tragic part of their histories that are inexorably linked witrh the Jewish experience, however we should be careful of comparing two situations that are so different.
kaprys 3 | 2,502
9 Jan 2018 #1,117
Because it is a complicated thing.

I'm just sick and tired of hearing all over again about Polish antisemitism. As if there was nothing else in Polish-Jewish relations.
It exists in Poland, just like everywhere else. I'm afraid not all Jews are tolerant towards other people or religions, either.
Crnogorac3 2 | 328
9 Jan 2018 #1,118
It is intense Jewish hatred towards all non-Jews that in turn causes non-Jews to hate Jews.
Ironside 50 | 10,907
9 Jan 2018 #1,119
Did you have a point?

The point is that protestants, Anglo-Saxons and all that is called 'west' have no moral, ethical or historical stance that would give them right to lecture Poles or anyone on the wrongs of anti-Semitism, prejudice, prosecutions and xenophobia. They have their closet filled with skeletons to the brim. Got it? Let it sink in!

A fair number of Poles however, did buy into the nonsense, that's all we're saying.

BS! Nobody buy it into it! almost 4 millions Jews, poor little ragamuffins mostly, cheating framers on the prise of milk or eggs. Half of them had no connection or attachment to the reborn Polish state. Most of them were unable to speak Polish properly, maybe half maybe quarter of them couldn't speak in Polish if they live depended.

It bothered no none, except for some framers who disliked Jews for the only reason - finical.
Other group were Jews who were educated fully assimilated and who clogged Polish universities blocking poor framer sons from advancing and blocking for example non Jewish layers from the profession.

The only anti-Semitisms there was it was about conflict of interests.
Any Jews who wanted to be Polish first and Jewish distant second had no problem with anyone. If someone became Catholic but had Jewish DNA - nobody cared about it.

Stop talking BS about CC - there is not as you say. Some moron like you took it out of context and used it as an example of his own ignorance as do his following.

If you want to look for systemic ideological anti-Semitism look no further than Lutheranism and all akin denominations that followed it.
WTF is wrong with you?
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Jan 2018 #1,120
I'm just sick and tired of hearing all over again about Polish antisemitism

It does exist in PL more than a lot of places (yes, Russia and other parts of the Slavic world too). Over the years I've heard some shocking and frankly nutty things, from throwaway comments that don't make much sense, to people feeling the need to give a full homily on the perceived evils of that group.

I'm talking of course about real life - and that is mirrored by some of the vile stuff that appears here.

And yes, of course not all Poles are anti-semitic fascists - some are liberally minded, outward looking decent people - most are not haters. And some Poles are of course Jewish themselves.
Ironside 50 | 10,907
9 Jan 2018 #1,121
It does exist in PL

There are even more commies everywhere, should we exterminate them all?
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Jan 2018 #1,122
That doesn't make much sense now, does it I-S.

Does the thought of 'exterminating' people turn you on?
Ironside 50 | 10,907
9 Jan 2018 #1,123
Commies are evil people and should be sorted out.
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Jan 2018 #1,124
sorted out.

Evidently you mean:


Someone tried that, and it didn't end well for him. He also


disabled people, didn't he Ironside.

Anyway, how do your fantasies about 'exterminating' your fellow humans relate to ingrained anti-semitism in Eastern and Central Europe?
Crow 146 | 9,112
9 Jan 2018 #1,125
Let us Poles and Serbians calmly talk to the Jews. I am sure we can achieve an agreement.
kaprys 3 | 2,502
9 Jan 2018 #1,126
You can pretty much say the same think about certain Brits and Americans and their attitude towards Poles.
But that's obviously ok.
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Jan 2018 #1,127
No, Kaprys, it definitely isn't OK. Racism (or any other sort of discrimination) is never OK.

Poland and Poles are mentioned here bcause that's the topic of the forum. Doubtless on a foreign-language forum about the UK, people are posting about racism there. It wouldn't be towards Jewish people though - more likely about other groups.

I'd say though that there is much more anti-semitism in PL than in English-speaking countries. I say that from my experience, and can't help thinking about that CBOS poll about who people would be happy living next to. I think the result relating to Jewish people would be different in the UK. There, the bete noir group would probably be Pakistanis. It would be interesting to speculate what the result would be if they were on the CBOS list.
Wulkan - | 3,249
9 Jan 2018 #1,128
I'd say though that there is much more anti-semitism in PL than in English-speaking countries.

And the fact that the UK has an anti-semitic newspaper: The Guardian proves that statement.
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Jan 2018 #1,129
And now Wulky is trying to pretend the Manchester Guardian is anti-semitic!

He obviously hasn't paid much attention to their editorial team. I wonder what gems he'll entertain us with next...
Wulkan - | 3,249
9 Jan 2018 #1,130
He obviously hasn't paid much attention to their editorial team.

Wrong, there are progressive atheists with Jewish ancestry who hate Jews a lot in the team.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,839
9 Jan 2018 #1,131
its very 'right-on' pro Palestinian isn't it, the Guardian?

I found a great way to upset people on pro Palestinian stalls in town centres, you know the ones?

Just ask them why they hate Jews so much. The last one I did it to, nearly started crying. Then he packed his little stall up.

Scratch a right on political protestor and you invariably find a Jew hater.

Mind you I have been hearing some stuff about Palestinian women in Israeli jails,,,and it's not good.
Crow 146 | 9,112
9 Jan 2018 #1,132
I have more respect for Jews then for western Europeans.

BDW, what is interesting Jews with time becoming more and more White, while western Europeans becoming more and more Black. With all due respect on all colors and all that. Practically, western Europe faces destine of for example Romania or Portugal.

Say that this world isn`t twisted.
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Jan 2018 #1,133
its very 'right-on' pro Palestinian isn't it, the Guardian?

Often (though not entirely), however it certainly isn't anti-semitic, however much a silly poster above would like to pretend it is.

They certainly print comment, diary and faith-based pieces by the Chief Rabbi as well as by Rabbis Witteneberg, Romain and Schochet (a very regular contributor), and famously employed 'Mad Melanie' Phillips for years.
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Jan 2018 #1,134
Just ask them why they hate Jews so much.

That's something worth doing; I'd like to see their faces. I've always made it clear (even in places like Saudi, Sudan and Iraq) that I'm pro-Israel but can see both points of view. It's never caused a problem - there are probably more Israel haters in Hackney than in Riyadh.
kaprys 3 | 2,502
9 Jan 2018 #1,135
I don't think it makes me hate Jews but honestly I no longer see any point in denying any arguments antisemites make.
What's the point really? I'll be accused of antisemitism anyway. I'm Polish after all.
Lyzko 29 | 7,239
9 Jan 2018 #1,136
SPOT ON, jon!!

The sooner European gentiles in general admit to the fertile soil for anti-Semitism throughout most of the Continent, the far better off for everybody:-)

@Ironside, the Poles and others most certainly did buy into the nonsense that somehow the Jews were evil Christ killers, come on! Secondly, was it the Jews fault that most wound up in a country which already was hostile to their presence based on lies the Church had promulgated about them? The majority just wanted to coexist in peace with their neighbors. This though, you refuse to understand because that's how your mind works!
kaprys 3 | 2,502
9 Jan 2018 #1,137
If the country had been hostile, they wouldn't have settled here. Unless they were idiots.
What do you have against gentiles
Taxpaying voter
9 Jan 2018 #1,138
Poland was hostile to Jews, as shown by the ban on Jews living in many cities. However, Poland was less hostile, and more pragmatic, than other European countries.
kaprys 3 | 2,502
9 Jan 2018 #1,139
So why did they choose such a hostile country?
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
9 Jan 2018 #1,140
Sadly, when truth tellers such as Jan Gross come to the fore, they're vilified as haters of all things Polish, traitors etc.

Erm, J.T.Gross is a lying troublemaker and he fits nicely along with other Jews who do indeed hate Poland and attack it at every opportunity. People such as Jan Hartman, Anne Applebaum and Michnik and his whole gazeta.

The Catholic Church always blamed the Jews for killing Christ.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the reason Christ was crucified was because of the Jews, even if they didn't do it themselves. This doesn't mean if you meet a Jewish person now, you ought to despise them, but reason the church preaches that the Jews killed Jesus, is because it happened. Anyway I go to church every single week and the subject of Jews practically never comes up.

A lot of people make up lies about how antisemitic Poland is. Sure there is some antisemitic sentiment, but generally speaking, Jews are probably much safer on the streets of Poland than any other part of the world. As for antisemitism in Poland in the past, I think a lot of it originated from land and business ownership. Jews used to own a lot of the land in Poland and many businesses. They were foreign, so many workers resented them. Eventually they were seen as the cause of all the problems and mistreatment.

It's a bit like how Black Lives Matter generally stirs up hate directed at white people, as the privileged oppressors. Many white people are not oppressors, not racist and don't have any privilege, yet they are thrown in to the same group, as the evil ones. BLM even encouraged its followers not to buy anything from any white owned companies at Christmas. It's insane, but it's from a negative stereotype formed about by nasty groups like this that some people buy in to. I think that similar things have been done with Jews and some people just see them as bad now.

Overall though I don't think there is a hatred of Jews, just a distrust, that a Polish Jew will always be more loyal to Israel and other Jews, before Poland.

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