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Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly'


porzeczka - | 102
22 Jul 2011 #61
Right, I thought it was very disturbing. And already being able to compare German and Polish girls?

"Niemki kochać i żyć nie umieją" means: German women don't know how to love and live. It's about the feeling of love, not making love.

"Nasze dziewczyny są najpiękniejsze w całym świecie, kochać umią poczciwie sami wiecie." - Our girls are the most beautiful in the world, their love is honest/sincere (they love honestly/sincerely/faithfully). "Niemki nie potrafią się kochać" would mean German women don't know how to make love.
Ironside 50 | 10,910
22 Jul 2011 #62
Would that be like the way that Polonization was forced upon Jews, Ukrainians and others in the interbellum?

dido ?
do not write nonsense please

When running out of arguments, accuse your opponent of being racist, prejudiced or a Nazi - happens far too often here

Would you care to quote with my alleged accusations? I'm just looking for an explanation of your blind and one sided approach to the subject. Maybe an answer is simple that you are not a very bright person?

I for one have come to the conclusion that quite a few nationalistic Poles and people of Polish descent on PF seem to have a distorted view of history. I understand that facts might be hard to accept sometimes (given what Poland had to go through over the centuries), but at some point of time you all have to face the truth about your past.

Yes, you are the Light Bringer, the truth incarnated, one and only, the other.
Do you have premonition that you can fly ?Why not give a try?

Now, what truth you have it mind ? That people have no right to the language of their ancestors, on their ancestral land?
Why? Because a state had a different ideas ?
How dumb, thoughtless and clueless one has to be, to seriously claim such nonsense. Either that or your way of thinking is totalitarian - so your talk about nationalism sound pathetic and empty.

Your philosophy Mr is a philosophy of a slave.
Do you deem yourself my equal, slave ?
Harry
22 Jul 2011 #63
do not write nonsense please

Do you deny that interbellum Poland followed a policy of forced Polonization with regard to the ethnic minorities unlucky enough to find themselves in interbellum Poland?

Actually, now that I think about it, of course you deny that; which doesn't stop the fact being that interbellum Poland did follow a policy of forced Polonization with regard to the ethnic minorities unlucky enough to find themselves in interbellum Poland.
TheOther 5 | 3,711
22 Jul 2011 #64
"Niemki kochać i żyć nie umieją" means: German women don't know how to love and live.

I can't speak Polish, so thank you very much, porzeczka! Your take on the article makes much more sense than the translation by PennBoy in post #1, which seems to be totally wrong and misleading now. Hey PennBoy, did you do that on purpose to stir some sh*t?

Do you deem yourself my equal

Hell no. Shudder... :)
Ironside 50 | 10,910
22 Jul 2011 #65
Do you deny that interbellum Poland followed a policy of forced Polonization with regard to the ethnic minorities unlucky enough to find themselves in interbellum Poland?

Would you rephrase your question?

Hell no. Shudder... :)

Good!
If you cannot see errors of your way, then there is no hope for you:) Are you still denying to people a right to use and preserve their language?
Bzibzioh
22 Jul 2011 #66
Harry wrote

Do you deny that interbellum Poland followed a policy of forced Polonization with regard to the ethnic minorities unlucky enough to find themselves in interbellum Poland?

Read AGAIN the topic of this thread. Hint: it's in bold letters on the top of the page.
Harry
22 Jul 2011 #67
If you cannot see errors of your way, then there is no hope for you:) Are you still denying to people a right to use and preserve their language?

I never have denied them that. Pity that Poland both did that and continues to do that.

Read AGAIN the topic of this thread. Hint: it's in bold letters on the top of the page.

I just like to see Poles whining about Germanization while at the same time denying the evils of Polonization!
Bzibzioh
22 Jul 2011 #68
Harry wrote

I just like to see Poles whining about Germanization while at the same time denying the evils of Polonization!

We already have threads about that. And no, nobody is denying anything; you just don't like when Poland is owed anything and like to diminish that by changing the topic to suit your point.
TheOther 5 | 3,711
22 Jul 2011 #69
Ironside: Are you still denying to people a right to use and preserve their language?

Where did I say that?
Bzibzioh
22 Jul 2011 #70
delphi wrote

Owed anything? What is Poland owed?

Right to talk about it. You will say whine, but that's fine, too.
delphi, again

As far as I'm concerned

Why do you imagine that Poles give a hoot about opinion of a no-name on their history and attitudes?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
22 Jul 2011 #71
Right to talk about it. You will say whine, but that's fine, too.

Shame that a certain part of Polish society seeks to cover up similar crimes committed by Poles, then - isn't it?

Why do you imagine that Poles give a hoot about the opinion of a no-name on their history and attitudes?

They do care - you're living proof of that.
Bzibzioh
22 Jul 2011 #72
Delph

Shame that a certain part of Polish society seeks to cover up similar crimes committed by Poles

Still on the crusade on much needed, in your opinion, de-mythologizing vastly hypocritical Polish history I see. In comparison to other countries, Polish history books are the Mount Everest of objectivity.

Delph, again

They do care - you're living proof of that.

I'm laughing at you for taking yourself so dead serious.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
22 Jul 2011 #73
Still on the crusade on much needed, in your opinion, de-mythologizing vastly hypocritical Polish history I see. In comparison to other countries, Polish history books are the Mount Everest of objectivity.

Polish history books are objective? Would that be the same way that Poles praise Davies, despite the fact that he is an "academic no-name"?

In fact, the biggest problem with Polish history is that Poles themselves cannot seem to create an accurate overview of history.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
22 Jul 2011 #74
German girls tend not to be the nicest in the looks dept but I knew 2 during my studies and they were really pretty. Some are and some aren't. It depends on your taste.

This is well off-topic again.
Marynka11 4 | 675
22 Jul 2011 #75
erman girls tend not to be the nicest in the looks dept

But they are practical, sturdy, and independent.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
22 Jul 2011 #76
This thread is about events ocurring in the German ruled part of Partitioned Poland. It is not about Second Republic educational policy nor is it about Norman Davies' reputation as a historian. Remove the off-topic posts and ban the trolls making them.
Torq
22 Jul 2011 #77
Hear, hear.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
22 Jul 2011 #78
This thread is about events ocurring in the German ruled part of Partitioned Poland.

Not German ruled, but rather events occurring within German territory which contained a significant amount of Poles.
Torq
22 Jul 2011 #79
a significant amount of Poles

You surely meant a significant number of Poles? We're not some feckin' uncountable liquid or powder FFS
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
22 Jul 2011 #80
I dunno, you guys seem to be uncountable in the UK :P

(in all seriousness - English is quite flexible in this respect- amount is fine when talking about a countable number. For example - "it cost me a large amount of zloty")
Torq
22 Jul 2011 #81
I dunno, you guys seem to be uncountable in the UK :P

Oh, come on - 2 million Poles is not that many (much? ;-))

English is quite flexible in this respect- amount is fine when talking about a countable number.

.
Oh, I didn't know that. I had a very "inflexible" grammar teacher at school. When people tried to be
flexible, they found themselves getting "niedostateczny" ;-)
porzeczka - | 102
22 Jul 2011 #82
@delphiandomine
As a 'specialist' on Polish history, you surely base your theories on something more than wikipedia. Some of your claims contradict what I have read (not in Davies' books). I asked nicely about your sources, but you haven't answered. Why don't you share with us the names of authors who opened your eyes? Maybe after reading their works more people will understand your attitude? ;)

Not German ruled, but rather events occurring within German territory which contained a significant amount of Poles.

You mean events occurring particularly in Polish ethnic territory.
Marynka11 4 | 675
22 Jul 2011 #83
At the end the failure of Germansation is abut flexibility. Bismarck was a great economist, politician, strategist, but one thing he was lacking was the understanding of human nature, and that it can vary from nation to nation. He basically thought Poles work like Prussians. If something is verboten they will not do that. And it worked well in Prussia. He successfully limited communistic movement by giving people more social services and forbidding the movement.

If Poles were like Prussians, they would peacefully switch to German. But the Polish brain works differently. We need flexibility and so called Freiraum.
Bzibzioh
22 Jul 2011 #84
Also, Poles have the die-hard attitude about their language, customs and traditions, so forbidding us anything might bring very strong opposing reactions. You’d have millions of Polish people throwing a fit just because something was not allowed. Quite a burden to any authorities.
Torq
22 Jul 2011 #85
Good point, Bzi.

The best approach, that Bismark should have taken with Poles, would be to categorically forbid them
to speak German, do business with their German neighbours, intermarry with Germans and declare
German nationality. Poles as a nation would dissapear in no time :D
Marynka11 4 | 675
22 Jul 2011 #86
Also, Poles have the die-hard attitude about their language, customs and traditions, so forbidding us anything might bring very strong opposing reactions.

That too. But in general things for a German person have to make sense. For a Polish person things have to feel right.
Bzibzioh
22 Jul 2011 #87
Torqi, that would be sooo much more successful approach ;)

Marynka

But in general things for a German person have to make sense. For a Polish person things have to feel right.

Yep, that's a very good conclusion.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
22 Jul 2011 #88
Little Bronek wasn't just interested in history. - The student describes his relationship with girls.

Well, in his age nobody is interested in history ;) He, probably, fell in love with a beautiful German girl and was rejected or had trouble learning a few words in a foreign language to explain his overwhelming feelings. "German women don't know how to make love or live" - pathetic, but what one can expect from a 14-years old? Did he live with them to come to this conclusion? Most likely not. It is interesting that he didn't concentrate his rage on German catechism or forced song-singing, but on a more attractive (externally only) half of our species.

Oh youth! Where art thou? My bones are not what they used to be ;)
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,436
22 Jul 2011 #89
Nathan me and most Polish men will wholeheartedly agree that German girls are nothing to look at. If he said what was already on his mind it was in defiance to the prejudice policies of the German state.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
22 Jul 2011 #90
Nathan, you should really read the whole thread. Therein you will find that Bronek did indeed live with Germans, as imported German settlers comprised some 26% of his town. Moreover, how can you claim to know from his remarks about German girls, which are disdainful rather than angry, that he wasn't also enraged by the forced Germanization in his school's religion classes?


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