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Being ashamed of Polish ancestry?


Crow 155 | 9,025
25 Feb 2012 #61
First of all you Serbians when you had an army decided to go and kill, rape, and genocide

Let God forgive you. You don`t know what you are talking about. You don`t have real informations form terrain. You said this to me?? to the Serbian? If you have at least a drop of Polish blood in your veins you should feel only shame now. Racowie never failed. Never. Our blood marks all borders of Poland. My ancestors themselves defended Poland and bulk of their inheritors (our clan) who lived in Serbian Krajina was butchered by Croatian ustashe in WWII and in this last Civil war. Both time butchered on the behalf of German interest and against Polish influence in the region (which regularly goes via Serbians)

Speaaking of this last war... First of all my people defended itself from overwhelming foes and we didn`t start war. Germany, Britain, France, NATO, Islamic league and EU started it in order to destroy vast Slavic state such was Yugoslavia. Democratic dissolution of Yugoslavia was prevented by Germany and EU. Then, Serbs were not the only side in conflict. We were side that was attacked. In that war, all, i repeat- ALL sides committed some crimes but, only Serbians didn`t entered in war having developed genocidal ideology, as Croatia, Kosovo Albanians and Bosnian Muslims had. Even USA Congress declared to consider Serbs for the Slavic newcomers on Albanian ground (speaking of old Serbian/Slavic Kosovo). Side by side with Arabic mujaheedines NATO and EU perpetrated killing of our children. Croatian ustashe operated themselves with the Arabic mujaheedines until they themselves were attacked by them (and in that moment many Croats were saved by local Bosnian Serbs).

as for Croatia. Its society deeply devoted to the Germany and represent traditional German satellite in the region. Friendship with today`s Greater Croatia may only bring same to the Poland- to be satellite of Germany and to feel shame because of its Slavic and Polish ancestry.

Poland need truth about events in former Yugoslavia because those who lied on Serbs now, tomorrow would lie on Poles. Those who attacked us today, tomorrow would attack Poland.

here is what Jan Lopuszanski, of a Catholic right-wing group in Polish parliament said, suggesting end of NATO campaign against Serbia and underlining how NATO today attacking Serbs but that tomorrow Poles could be target:

Nationalist Jan Lopuszanski, of a small Catholic right-wing group, made his warning even more explicit. If, today, NATO's putative right to be a judge of other nations and their governments and to enforce these decisions by way of violence is recognized, this right may tomorrow be directed against any nation in the world, Poland included, he warned. He apparently forgot, among other things, that Poland was now a NATO member.

Rota (Polish anthem - English subtitles)
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
25 Feb 2012 #62
It must be so, explains the presence of Polish Jews to a tee in present day Poland.

True. But here's a question, if the Holocaust never happened and Poland still had the 3.5 million (or more now) Jews in Poland. Do you think things would have been better today in Poland or worse?? Like it or not, where there are Jews there's work.
Patrycja19 62 | 2,688
25 Feb 2012 #63
When it's used as a stick to beat others with, it's certainly not something to celebrate.

I tend to agree with this point,

Polonius, your a poor excuse for Polish American, you put down other kids who learned beside you, what kind of educated
man would do this? fully knowing the fact that all children learn at different levels and that this isnt the fault of the children
so why would you call them mongrels?? the only person I see as a mongrel is you at this point, you should not post representation

on this board of yourself as the ultimate POLISH AMERICAN when you clearly stink at it!!

Respect is something that is earned, I dont see how you would earn respect when you knock down others!!
education should have taught you this as well as your parents!
That is a Huge Polish American Tradition, to respect others, something you forgot to learn, you can be proud of who
you are and your ancestry without cutting down people that have done nothing against you.

Let me also make one thing clear, I am second generation, I dont watch the telelvison 6 hours of the day, I dont have time, most

Americans dont, unless they are laid off , then they have alot of time, not their fault though.

what gets me is that it seems like everyone gets a general idea of how Americans are by watching television in Europe as well
and base their opinions on that. BTW California is a entertainment state.. so how you get around that when you live
around pretty much all the movie stars in America I dont know.

Europe has sports, different kind, but none the less sports they invest in as well, and this is also a big deal over there, with racing

and hockey and soccer.. come on with this media crap.. its not about that we all know it.

what i see is that people cant get over the fact that no one is better then anyone else!! its a huge world, you can choose to live

where you all want to, and still make choices of helping others.. that includes poland if you want.

I just find it really fricken silly that a Polish American is ashamed of his own.. take the silver spoon out out of your fanny and

quit acting like your the representation of the whole.

To Others on the board, what defines you is your business, some may struggle, some may have a easy time and not have
to fight , but in the end you became who you are because your family survived and none of us would be here if those before us

didnt fight their way to get to this point in time.

Lets not forget that !
a.k.
25 Feb 2012 #64
On my college campus there are plenty of European women.

That puzzled me. Are you a pûrn producer who study at college?
Sarmat
25 Feb 2012 #66
if the Holocaust never happened

Who said it never happened? Like it or not what we have now in terms of Polish Jewry is a remnant of the transplant from the Soviet era, decedents of the hard core ideologists resettled here after the war to promote their vision of the future of world (though working for a different masters now) and create a new nation in the image of their God forsaken ideology whose only purpose was to destroy all things Polish and the Polish state from within, a fifth column. Ideology may have changed but they are still doing just that. Take a good look around you; this forum alone should be enough of an indicator.

Do you think things would have been better today in Poland or worse?

It’s a shame really and I’m sad to admit it but since you asked, roughly the same: They never were loyal to the Polish state. Perhaps once upon time they kept to themselves and were indifferent, switching allegiance on a whim, whatever suit them at that time but now; though far less numerous they are true believers in the cause, what they lack in numbers now they more than make up in spirit of dedication to the cause, in effect causing the same amount of damage if not more.
4 eigner 2 | 831
25 Feb 2012 #67
the right to be Polish has to be earned

nope, either one is a Pole or he isn't, simple is that. Nothing to be earned here.
EM_Wave 9 | 311
25 Feb 2012 #68
The creation of the European Union was the final nail in the coffin.

Except not all European countries belong to the EU. We still have many immigrants from non-EU European countries. I've even heard of illegal immigrants from there.

I'm sure many Poles also prefer to work in England vs America

That's only because it's much easier to travel with an EU passport instead of going through the process to get a visa, then a green card, and then finally US citizenship. (I'm referring to immigrants who want to move permanently)

which is basically a brown mans country.

Excuse me? We're a diverse country with people from all sorts of ethnic backgrounds which is a good thing.

I'm not saying I agree with that reasoning or calling Poles racist but I do believe that plays in the minds of some.

It sounds like Poles need to educate themselves a bit. People who come to America do a much better job of assimilating unlike in western Europe where anti-Semitic Muslims go protesting and yelling that Islam will dominate Europe.
ShortHairThug - | 1,101
25 Feb 2012 #69
nope, either one is a Pole or he isn't, simple is that. Nothing to be earned here.

Yes there is, a Yank who wants to stake a claim to the honor of being accepted as a true Pole based on his ancestry has to respect his ancestors otherwise he’s just another foreigner, no more no less.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
25 Feb 2012 #70
HAHA please seek treatment.

Too mild, I prefer

"please **** off and crawl back under the rock that you came from" :)

you should not post representation
on this board of yourself as the ultimate POLISH AMERICAN when you clearly stink at it!!

Thank you - this is exactly what I've been getting at on this forum.

All this "better than you" crap from Polonius is doing nothing but making Polish-Americans seem like ignorant idiots who spend their days hanging about in meat markets. And yes, I know fine well that they don't, but others don't know that.
Crow 155 | 9,025
25 Feb 2012 #71
what is this? should we only complaint and cry or should we arise and found scent of our dignity

Digite se Poljaci! Arise Poles! Serbia, Ukraine, Czeska and Slovakia with you! Many to follow..... We won`t let you fall down for without Poland our final defeat is certain. Just call Poles.. in a 24 hour millions of Slavs would come to fight for Poland same way as they today coming to make business with Poles

Mazurek DÄ…browskiego



Go Poland!

Patrycja19

perfectly formulated and balanced post. Beautiful words. Thank you
4 eigner 2 | 831
26 Feb 2012 #72
Yes there is, a Yank who wants to stake a claim to the honor of being accepted as a true Pole based on his ancestry has to respect his ancestors otherwise he’s just another foreigner, no more no less.

A Yank (any nationality here) is a Yank and not a true Pole. He can be an American of Polish ancestry, that's all. Whether he/she should respect the country of his ancestors, everyone has to decide it for himself. It's good to be aware of where one is originally from and show some respect too but no one should be looked down to just because he feels American, German etc. and because he has developed feelings for the country he's born and raised in. I personally see it as ridiculous for someone who's born and raised abroad to call himself a Pole (any nationality). If one considers himself a Pole, he should move to Poland and live there (I'm not talking about people who are born and raised in Poland and who just left Poland to make some money and go back).
polishmama 3 | 279
27 Feb 2012 #73
As I've already pointed out all the real Poles of a bygone generation were forced out of Poland or perished trying to save it

No, you didn't "point out". Pointing out something means that you were stating an already well known and undisputed fact. What you were expressing above were nothing more than pseudofacts. My family is all Polish, I've traced it back several generations. I, myself, was born in Poland. None of us were Russians, etc. The USSR oppressing Poland was as nothing more than an occupation, not brethren representing and working together.

You can't say that people who left Poland in the 1800-1900's were the only true Poles and that they all left or were killed. Because that's not how it worked and there are countless facts, actual documented real undesputed facts, proving the opposite of your pseudofact strewn hatred filled theory.

All of these new Soviet migrants were fully paid up members of Judeo-Bolshevik ideology.

So, what you are saying in your pseudofact strewed theory is that all modern day Poles are Russian Jews who are Communists. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Yeah, I don't think so. I'm just going to ignore stupid now.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
11 Mar 2012 #74
What you say about the Serbs is unfair.

Shame on you.

The Serbs are good people.

God only knows what your real ancestry is.
Peter Cracow
12 Mar 2012 #75
pawian
Joined: May 30, 08It has been so since Poland adopted Christianity of Western denomination in 966 and has kept it till today despite stormy times. Poles forget they are Slavs and tend to think of themselves as Europeans.

I can't fully agree.
At first: national self-identification on Polish territory began in XVIII/XIX c. We owe our invadors a lot, especially we should thank to Germans for their stupid (from their point of view), aggresive germanisation policy. But ewen in 1945 some people in N-E corner of Poland had no national self-identification at all.

Second: Polish tycoons and noble "Sarmatians" in XVII/XVIII c. were orientated towards oriental culture (in fact qiute slightly) and hated western influences and so called cosmopolitism.

In Middle Ages only king, princes, tycoons and merchants knew something about distant lands, but they had rather no complexes.
From the other hand - influences, inventions and culture paths use to come mostly from the West and it could cause some complexies (omg! we have no Palace of Versailles, omg! we have no Einstein, omg! we have neither Madonna nor Chevi...).

But I have to sustain my previous opinion: for individuals at present days status (wealth, education) prevails nationality. Despite the cultural differences there is no mental problem for wealthy and educated person to live anywhere (in Europe at last).
fringxx - | 30
12 Mar 2012 #76
To be honest I don't understand why anyone would happen to be ashamed of Polish roots, if it does happen, then I feel sorry for these people...
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
13 Mar 2012 #77
But ewen in 1945 some people in N-E corner of Poland had no national self-identification at all.

Indeed, the language statistics (falsified as they are) from the 1931 census shows that there were a fairly significant amount of people who had loyalty to their local area as opposed to any concept of a state. It's curious that such an attitude lingered on so late.
Vieslava - | 23
13 Mar 2012 #78
I am astonished that you would even post a thread like that.
If there are Poles somewhere who are "ashamed" of being Polish they have only themselves to blame. You get out what you put in.

The Poles I know are PROUD to be Polish.
polishmama 3 | 279
13 Mar 2012 #79
Peter Cracow: But ewen in 1945 some people in N-E corner of Poland had no national self-identification at all.Indeed, the language statistics (falsified as they are) from the 1931 census shows that there were a fairly significant amount of people who had loyalty to their local area as opposed to any concept of a state. It's curious that such an attitude lingered on so late.

NE as in the Vilno area or the Bialystok area? Please clarify. As the mapped boundaries shifted during 1945.

Delph, There were regions such as Lower Silesia, the Prussian lands, and the Kashubians, who identified themselves as being first from their region, then it depended on their family political history on whether they felt remotely Polish or not. But they would never have lasted as an independant country, I think that's fairly accepted in historical circles. I don't find it surprising, really, since the borders were shifted around so much with those regions. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Silesians and Prussian areas were allowed to speak their own languages but not Polish under the partitions. The same with the Kashubians, if I recall correctly. That mentality was almost honed by the Three Black Eagles in an attempt to help eradicate Poland forever.
markskibniewski 3 | 200
13 Mar 2012 #80
No, I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that people are usually indifferent to what their ancestry is.

This is why ancestry dot com is making millions. Wake up. And personelly I have never heard of someone Polish being ashamed of thier heritage. If you are you are not of Polish descent. We are a proud race that others tried thier best to eradicate and failed.

The creation of the European Union was the final nail in the coffin

This is the prime reason that immigration has died down. After 9/11 it isn't as easy to get in either.

If they hide their Polish ancestry it simply means they have a reson for it.

Agreed
EM_Wave 9 | 311
13 Mar 2012 #81
This is why ancestry dot com is making millions. Wake up. And personelly I have never heard of someone Polish being ashamed of thier heritage. If you are you are not of Polish descent. We are a proud race that others tried thier best to eradicate and failed.

1.) Poles are not a race.

2.) Having a curiosity in your ancestry does not mean you possess pride.
markskibniewski 3 | 200
13 Mar 2012 #82
1.) Poles are not a race.

Would you classify it as a religion???? (sarcastic)

2.) Having a curiosity in your ancestry does not mean you possess pride.

Little Jimmy Mcgurk in the 4th grade when he called me a dumb Polock and ended up on his arse with one tooth missing would disagree. One week detention but never heard a word in school again. It was worth it.
EM_Wave 9 | 311
14 Mar 2012 #83
Would you classify it as a religion???? (sarcastic)

It's a nationality. Don't act dumb.

Little Jimmy Mcgurk in the 4th grade when he called me a dumb Polock and ended up on his arse with one tooth missing would disagree. One week detention but never heard a word in school again. It was worth it.

Cool dude. That doesn't disprove the fact that having a curiosity in your ancestry does not mean you have some idiotic pride.
jasondmzk
14 Mar 2012 #84
Little Jimmy Mcgurk in the 4th grade when he called me a dumb Polock and ended up on his arse with one tooth missing would disagree. One week detention but never heard a word in school again. It was worth it.

Uh, just because you didn't hear it, doesn't mean they didn't say it. And how did beating up a 4th grader disprove what he said, anyway?
markskibniewski 3 | 200
14 Mar 2012 #85
Uh, just because you didn't hear it, doesn't mean they didn't say it.

There will always fools in the world .

And how did beating up a 4th grader disprove what he said, anyway?

It didn't. What I said above still stands ....the difference is I grew up and learned how to treat people differently and not get so easily offended. This is what proves him wrong.

It's a nationality. Don't act dumb.

nation is a synonym of race.

having a curiosity in your ancestry does not mean you have some idiotic pride

Very true. But it doesn't disprove it either. Pride is shown in different forms it could be as strong as fighting aganst ones enemys or it could be as small as honoring your father or mother by carrying on some tradition passed down. Or I believe in the case of finding out about one's heritage so it can be passed down to further generations.
Peter Cracow
16 Mar 2012 #86
NE as in the Vilno area or the Bialystok area? Please clarify. As the mapped boundaries shifted during 1945

Bialystok area. This information comes from a few sources. One of them I remember is a report of Polish-Soviet Delimitation Commission.
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Sorry for OT, but:
URGENT! Biased article in The Economist on Polish-Lithuanian relationships caused a strong attack on the Poles in the local forum of the international community. We need your presence there!

Article: (3 x w dot)economist.com/node/21549987
Forum: (3 x w dot)economist.com/node/21549987/comments
polishmama 3 | 279
17 Mar 2012 #87
Bialystok area. This information comes from a few sources. One of them I remember is a report of Polish-Soviet Delimitation Commission.

I'll have to check that out. I have family from the Bialystok area, several generations worth of history there, and they are die-hard Poles. Would be interesting to see further if their particular status made a difference compared to the general populace of Poles there. Some of those ancestors have military service history as well, which nobody knows who was the first to serve in the army on that side, so it goes back pretty far. Something for me to research.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
17 Mar 2012 #88
URGENT! Biased article in The Economist on Polish-Lithuanian relationships caused a strong attack on the Poles in the local forum of the international community. We need your presence there!

Biased article?

I urge you not to be so utterly precious and instead read it for what it is - an observation that both sides need to start growing up and stop acting like children.
polishmama 3 | 279
17 Mar 2012 #89
Sorry for OT, but:URGENT! Biased article in The Economist on Polish-Lithuanian relationships caused a strong attack on the Poles in the local forum of the international community.

I suggest a new thread. It would be an interesting one.
Peter Cracow
18 Mar 2012 #90
I'll have to check that out

I am afraid it is not so easy. Some people had this attitude. The others had a strong self-id and escaped to Belarus from Poland (and in reverse) or demanded to change the border a few kilometers to right or left. Who cares?

I have committed the OT about Polish-Lithuanian relationships and what a surprise! Saturday "Gazeta Wyborcza" wrote that "Polish teenagers in Lithuania after a long-term discrimination start to SHAME of their nationality ad their language and their parents are under pressure not to using it".

So, now OT become MT.
It gets worse in Lithuania. Newspaper mentioned a situation where for young Polish girl "having a Lithuanian boyfriend is a aymbol of social advancement". OMG, the World ends!

I don't want to write more here because a special thread suddenly occured:
(3 x w dot)polishforums.com/news-politics-4/polish-lithuanian-diplomatic-war- last-47397/14/
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polishmama: I tried to establish a new thread but my efforts miscarried.
delphiandomine: In example article suggests that lack of "w" in Lithuanian alphabet causes a huge problems and animosity, while in fact:
1 this is simply not true
2 it shows all Poles as brawlers
3 it covers real problems with distorting Polish names
At last, everyone perfectly know that there is "w" in both Lithuanian keyboard layouts and all depends on good will.


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