One problem i have seen when natives come here, is that they can easily afford partying every night.
I haven't fallen into this trap, mainly because of getting a couple of horrific hangovers early on in the year... But it must surely be true. Me and my girlfriend worked out a while back that we could go out, drink 3-4 beers each, a couple of shots of vodka (more than enough to reach the 'inebriated' point), get food and a taxi home, all for around 100PLN. I'm not surprised people end up partying constantly when it's that cheap - and you could easily knock 20PLN off if you take the night buses or the first trams ;)
Having said all this, I really should find myself something to do in the summer. I don't have to (being a typical canny Scotsman and all that...) - but well, sitting around is bound to get boring :)
Have every intention of being off my face tonight, and that will be the only night I do because it's my birthday. It would be so easy to get drunk all the time, so many people do. However, getting enough hours worries me slightly, as I am new to teaching per se - this month (first week I was relocating, there was also Easter) I can expect to make only 2400 before tax in my new job - this is not enough for me to live on with set up costs and thankfully I have a little money in reserve. I think the situation will improve when I am more experienced (new to teaching from being a trainer, with emphasis on Customer Services - I am trying to see if there's any way to make use of my experiences in the UK troubleshooting to board level for a multinational as if I could speak Polish I'd consider freelance CS training here too :) Lord knows a lot of places need it!)
Sunhp, walk around and see how much money you actually see. Check the trees, you won't find any. Why are you making this a competition anyway? How much does breathing cost? Walking? Fresh and chilled water that runs down the rocks?
If you speak an unusual language Ie. Hebrew- arabic or Turkish and have accounting backround then you should easly hit your 10K target easly like me :)
I saw somewhere on the website..company call Thompson reuters...they pay very well but i dont know exactly how much the amount! job position as a data analyst..speak french and english...polish languange is not necessery ;) check it out! :)
Based on my research :) is not easy to get paid -10k zlt per month..average salary is around 1300 zlt as a doctor, lawyer, architect... but nothing is impossible ;) My friend working as a logistics manager in Poznan and his earning 10k zlt per month! what the huge amount with the cost of living in Poland, huh!!??
I like it in Poland and polish people so i dont mind to give up my danish salary...any job for me? ;)
you said like bull hunt (kick) to me my expression and you should keep your pic bull! Don't you mind that can remember how much you drank water, walked and breath air everyday?
Money can't buy you health and happiness. I live in Switzerland and make the equivalent to 15,000 zloty a month. After you pay your rent (mortgage), your family health insurance, your car and gas bills, your groceries... you end-up eating raviolli and spagetti for the rest of the month! You make alot and you spend alot. Its how much you make and how much its going to cost you thats important. If you make 3000 zloty and the cost of living, in Poland, is rather cheap, then you should bank the rest and be happy living in where you are in this world. Wake-up people, money is not everything-it just pays the bills so eliminate the bills.
From my point of view, average salary doesn't make sense. It just depends on the sample range. It is better to compare your incomes with those who are at your age, have the same education, live at the same place, have similar job. Average salary shouldn't be an excuse to stop you from finding a better job.
Around 10K pln per month is very possible to earn in Poland, if you are really qualified. At least I meet some people who get such payment, such as accountant, logistic mananger etc.
As for English teacher, I paid more than 2k pln for one-month polish learning, three times every week,1.5 hours per day. I had another 3 classmates meanwhile. And my language had lessons everyday. So I suppose his incomes should be more than 6k pln per month.
Prostitution (providing you're very good looking and are prepared to make yourself sore from turning a lot of tricks), cocaine dealing (providing you're not at the bottom of the food chain and have a very solid client base), a member of the Polish parliament, a lawyer working alone with a decent-sized practice and good client base, a doctor who works plenty of overtime, a middle manager with a good career in a multinational, the proprietor of a good corner shop who isn't swamped with competition.
i know quite a few people in poland earning at least 10K + a month. i think only one of them works for a multinational (shes a professional business woman which is synonym for biatch). the rest work for themselves being innovative and creative. some of them seem to do bugger all for their money too. good on them
I have to say I find this thread somewhat perplexing. Is it common for people in Poland to discuss how much they're making? Even with people they don't really know?
I'm not trying to critisise by no means but I guess things make more sense now. I've met several people from central and eastern Europe before and noticed they were really interested in how much money I was making and what kind of benefits, retirement plans, etc. I had. I barely knew those people and was kind of uncomfortable with their questions but maybe that's just a regional preference?
I live in the US but I spent my teenage and young adulthood years in Scandinavia. I guess in the Nordic countries and here in the US talking about how much others are making is considered a faux pas, borderline to a taboo.
I know that cost of living and earning levels differ somewhat between the US and Poland. However, I think the old adage "money can't buy you happiness" is true in both countries. Of course my friends like to add "...but it'll definitely point you in the right direction!" to that old saying. ;)
I'm in the "well above a six figure" yearly dollar range and have been told by my tax attorney I'm in the top 5% earning bracket here in the US, don't know if that's true and frankly I don't care. I am NOT bringing it up to somehow show off but rather to point out that I'm not any happier than people who only make a fraction of that. In fact, I venture to say they're probably happier than I am.
I am always on the road, I fly for a living for a succesful airline. However, I am also divorced and I think being gone all the time was one reason to our marriage falling apart. I eat great food, get to see interesting places, buy some nice toys every now and then and spend some of my money on my favorite charities. ...but I still come home to an empty house. I am not whining nor do I want anyone to feel sorry for me, I live a great life. BUT I often wonder if I'd been any happier had I had a regular 9-5 job and had I been able to spend more time with my family? I don't know for sure but I think it's very possible.
So I guess I am directing my post to those here who encourage others to "move overseas and make more money!" I say, no, focus on what will make you and your family happy and the rest will take care of itself...
I totally agree :) It's not how much you get, but how you live. I'm not yet living in Poland, but I am going there a.s.a.p (May 2010) and not for the money, but for the best balance I can afford nowadays!
P.S: yes, I'm earning more than I will as we speak, but that's not all in life you know ;)
I've met several people from central and eastern Europe before and noticed they were really interested in how much money I was making and what kind of benefits, retirement plans, etc. I had. I barely knew those people and was kind of uncomfortable with their questions but maybe that's just a regional preference?
Considering that they're paying more for their expenses than you are in the USA, it's nice to compare. It shouldn't be threatening, your social standing isn't defined by how much money you make.
However, I think the old adage "money can't buy you happiness" is true in both countries.
Yes, but money can buy you a house. I think most Poles are asking themselves why they can't afford to buy their own property on what everyone is telling them is a decent salary.
Transparency is really important right now, especially as salaries are volatile. It allows people the information to be diligent and prevent themselves from being taken advantage of.
I think most Poles are asking themselves why they can't afford to buy their own property on what everyone is telling them is a decent salary
The answer is: imdb.com/title/tt1332128/ just don't believe every word they say, but in general every century had its slaves and masters ... and this is not going to change.
This topic has diverged from its initial opinions, however has caught my attention non the less. The issue at hand lies in whether someone will be happy with below minimal wage, or whether you need high salaries to be happy.
I recall someone mentioning materialistic mentalities, meaning something like "I won't even get out of bed for that amount". That's understandable, particularly for someone who has worked in high paying countries. I have the advantage of not-yet experiencing full time wages, as I've lived my life as a student so far.
I would summarize this thread like this: "If someone wants to make money, more money and only money, then work in UK, Australia, or US. However if someone wants adventure in life and to live in Poland, then they must sacrifice high salary". That's generally speaking. If I were to start a family, then I would rather earn higher salaries, though would not want for example my child to grow up with a Westernized mentality. Its really a trade-off I guess.
wow, it seems that every person on this forum is well above average and just loves to talk about their personal finances. Everyone is in great shape here!
Ah, I love internet anonymity. it makes everyone rich, have giant rippling muscles, a smoking hot wife, and porterhouse steaks for dinner each night.
When I was in Poland I was homeless for two months. Couldn't pay my rent. I called a bench in Ogród Saski my home. I occasionally stole eggs and potatoes from Carrefour for sustenance. You might be wondering how I cooked these. I won't tell you. I needed a complicated dental procedure performed during this time and all my money went to paying my dentist. She was a wonderful woman who deserved every penny, even if it meant I had to steal eggs to survive.
When I got sick of the park I would catch the bus and head up around Blue City, sleep in the unfinished apartments there, or head up to Wilanów and squat in the apartments there which are on indefinite hiatus.
I made it back to Boston by a sheer stroke of luck, acquiring half of my ticket cost through some dubious measures and the other half by hawking my laptop and watch - an heirloom given to me by my father. I don't regret the experience, but I'm glad it's over. However, let's not even bring up when I decided that I would hitchhike to Kiev, thinking I could make something happen there. Long story short: I couldn't.
Oh, also, I earned 10,000pln a month, have rippling abs, and my girlfriend is damn fine.
Ah, I love internet anonymity. it makes everyone rich, have giant rippling muscles, a smoking hot wife, and porterhouse steaks for dinner each night.
Great story T.A, I had some similar experiences when I was in my early 20's, I am now 20 years older and when I talk about the best experiences in my life I always recall my times in Spain and Portugal. I like to see the expression on peoples faces when I tell them that I had to steal tomatoes and apples from the gardens to survive. Happy days.
Well unlike MOST high earning countries, the Poles by and large live within their means and NOT on the credit card, and contrary to popular perception they are doing just fine considering that home ownership is some 2% higher than in a country like the UK.
people who settle for less than poverty wages and pretend to be happy
I know someone living in Australia who is early 20's, married, high paying job, brand new Mazda 6, and on the verge of buying a new home. In my opinion, he pretends to be happy. He lives the most BORING life as though he was in his 50's. Financially he is good, and I guess he is happy, but I could not live like that. I don't care about the car, money or house. When in your 20's you should LIVE!!! They're the best years of your life! Just like the previous guy who wrote about stealing potatoes to survive. On the other hand, thats an extreme.
wow, it seems that every person on this forum is well above average and just loves to talk about their personal finances. Everyone is in great shape here!
Even average doesn't consist of stealing eggs and squatting in apartments (which are probably still available for that purpose). Some people figure things out, some don't.
However, my problem wasn't that I couldn't 'figure things out' as Convex so condescendingly stated. It was that I was but 20 years old, trying to make a go of it a in foreign country when I had a freak dental problem that caused immense pain. It was expensive to fix and I couldn't both pay my rent and pay my dental fees - and the pain was such that I needed to fix the tooth issue. To those of you here who have never experienced real tooth pain: I hope you never do.
I did try and ask the embassy for any help they could give me, being that it was my only option as daddy is not a millionaire and can't bail me out of problems. They stated that basically they exist to help with legal troubles for citizens and visa arraignments for foreigners and kicked my ass to the curb, to be quite frank.
After that I just kind of did what I had to in order to survive until I managed to save enough money to head back home. At night there are, hmmm . . . various ways one can get money here and there in Praga. Just for the record: I have never begged for money in my life and I always pay my debts, best I can anyways.
But yes, my point is that: my story was honest. The rest of you seemed to be having a penis measuring contest. My father used to vehemently repeat that one never discuses finances with anyone but their spouse, so I suppose it's just built into me that talking about personal finance is tactless.
Oh, and I forgot, the most interesting part of the story: despite all I experienced there, I feel in love with Poland! I'll be going back in one year's time - this time with a little better planning!
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