The few polish people i new were friendly when they were 25 years old and younger. the older ones are stuck in the cold war. I met an extreme version of the latter when my boyfriend left me for a pole who was 37 with a 5th grade education. SHe has brown front teeth and is very sure she is the most attractive pole in ALL America. I guess if he didn't get her pregnant they wouldn't be together. Or he likes being abused.
Now begins my soul purging rant. From email to packages- with decapitated rats covered in plaster packed in a childrens toys-I stood by him. He told me she was bipolar, crazy and a danger to their daughter that resided with her in Poland. He said the woman and laws in poland would allow him to have his daughter even to visit. She asked for 900 dollars a month then a thousand as she lived in the outskirts of warsaw moving from place to place. He complied and she got nastier.
Hey I am never afraid to admit when I am wrong. I am not the one to blush and cry when I fall...I just laugh with those who are laughing at me because I fell.
I am second generation Polish. I am ashamed of the ignorant comments that come from so many of my Grandfathers countrymen. My two uncles fought for the USA ,one died. Many fought for the freedom of the people in Poland. I could never understand if you believe that Amerians are so fat ,greedy and foolish ,look around you. This country has opened its arms to all of the world. The US is a coutry of immigrants your own forefathers have contributed to make this country what it is. This country has more immigrants from around the world in the last 50 years the the last 100. You yourselves of every race and nationality have contributed to its rise and demise. Get educated,get involved with its people, this is America , not ,Poland,Italy,France Africa, Cuba.or themiddle East. Bring the best of yourselves to make our country better ,we offer the chance of freedom and life r you and your offspring,and we die for that right.for your rights. If you wish to demean my fellow Americans then you are sincerely invited to leave my country I am not Polish ...I am American ,of Polish decent leave your hatred and spite from whence you came.
its ok.. weve covered this before.. people are going to say mean things to get a reaction out of you. but its those who never been here who say things , listening to the media just as we do.. their grass isnt any greener then ours.. we all have our problems and thats worldwide!!
But she says that they hate being here, and look down upon Americans because they see us as rich and lazy. Is that true? I would hate to think so, working with Polish people, being friends with them, even dating one for a while.....
- I've been working with French and Germans in US; you should hear what they have to say about Americans...Polish in that regard are nothing.
I'm young and in my 20s, and have lived in Chicagoland my entire life. I've heard the exact same thing from my polish-immigrant parents, but I didn't really understand it until 21.
It's not that Polish people hate Americans, it's just that Americans are stupid. That's probably the best way to put it. It ranges from personal values, to consumerism, to finances, to education, etc. And they are not rich, but they are lazy.
Note though, that not all polish people are 'smart.' There are many who make dumb choices in there lives, but many Poles are known for working hard with what they have to work with, and moving up and ahead in life. For example, my dad quit school after the 7th grade, worked on the family farm, enlisted in the Army for a couple of years, then came to the U.S. at 26. He met my mom here (another Polish immigrant), and married. My parents have a very nice home and multiple properties. There net worth today is well over 4 million USD and my mom hasn't worked in 15 years. They have 4 kids, all of which went on to higher education without student loans, meaning, my uneducated laboring heavy accented immigrant parents had money to fund it. How can American families who live here for generations not be able to do this?
I can go on with so many other examples, but the point is, is that my parents are not unique among Pole immigrants in the States. They won't go back because there is opportunity in America - the same opportunity doesn't exist in Poland. They realize this, and they capitalize on this. Americans seem to take it for granted, and are more interested in other stuff which Poles would find 'retarded' for a lack of a better word.
It's not elitist. Most Poles in the U.S. are from poor backgrounds, but have made it extremely far in a relatively short period of time. It's sad that many Americans can't seem to manage that in a lifetime.
"Hate" toward Americans comes from frustration. There are two obvious reasons of it. First: Educated Poles who come here due to the language problem usually are employed way below their abilities and consequently after the initial period not very happy. They observe their coworkers and observe the level of knowledge far lower than their own and form opinion based on that. The other is a quality and type of US education. Quality is low and schools regardless on level resemble trade schools, consequently society become anti intellectual.
Second: Value system based on money. While very rational in the capitalistic society the expected result is that friendships are eliminated. What Americans called friend is more like business associate, parties are organized for networking. Any type of association has underlying business part in it (sports may be excluded).
Not related to the above, from my very cursory observation Americans are very hard working people, they work harder, longer hours (and years) than any other in the world. As a consequence they accumulate more things than others, but it takes toll on their intellect. Combining it with the level of popular entertainment (this comes to Poland as well) and no wonder that they seem to be intellectually challenged. Consequently Americans are easy target for advertisements and results of their hard work are being wasted.
It's sad that many Americans can't seem to manage that in a lifetime.
I hope you will not waste your life. Do not get entangled in an American dream. Hard work, while sometimes a necessity (your parents) is harmful and beyond some point makes little sense. Read a book, throw away TV, go for a walk, do nothing you would be surprised how enriching it is. $4 million of your parents should allow you security and option of not taking part in the rat race.
I cant believe what I am seeing here???? It is all bull sh**. I lived in America all of my life and I still have never any signs of this. We in America are of many ethnic origins. I have never seen any hostilities between POLES and AMERICANS.. My parents came over with no money. But they worked hard next to other nationalities and they all prospered.One time I asked my Father if he would like to go back to Poland. His answer was yes,but just to visit. He said that he would never move back to Poland. He loved America.
My advice to those who feel neglected,is to get a job. This is a land of oppertunity,for those that are not afraid of work.
Immigrants in America have always faced resistance from more conservative groups. It happens today, it happened when most immigrants were from Europe. Surely, there are bad stories. And bad people. America's redeeming quality from prejudice and racism, has always been oppurtunity. People come here because they believe that if they work hard they can make a better life for themselves and their children and that is usually the case. The resistance, while not forgivable, is part of the process. Sometimes immigrants make a better life for themselves withen a single generation, other times it takes longer. But America, for all her faults, has nearly always provided the thing people come here looking for; hope and opportunity.
EbonyandBathory: America, for all her faults, has nearly always provided the thing people come here looking for; hope and opportunity.
Whether you were born in America or came as immigrant, if you don't like it, leave. There's no exit tax; you can take all of your worldly goods, money, etc. No one will stop you. Don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave.
That's one option. Another, which is all but unique in America, is you can change it. If you don't like something vote against it, lobby against it, run for office, or start a letter campaign. America has been changing for 250 years, it can change some more.
"Hate" toward Americans comes from frustration. There are two obvious reasons of it. First: Educated Poles who come here due to the language problem usually are employed way below their abilities and consequently after the initial period not very happy.
So, I'm assuming that you either have these types of friends only or you live in Los Angeles :) Where are all these things that I "accumulate"? I work hard, make money and I don't have superfluities. We all don't live like you describe.
I appreciate your honest opinion as to why the Pl feel "hatred" towards us. If they're unable to look past the typical Plastic American stereotype, then they don't really understand what most Americans are like. I am one of many who doesn't need luxuries.
Lucynda, I am stunned by your caustic attempt to deride Polish Americans. To even suggest something baneful like that on this website, where Polish Americans meet, is truly vitriolic. We are American, I am American. How can Americans hate America? WTF? Shame on you, Lucynda, for this insidious attempt of chicanery. I just hope that you've lied on your profile and you're not a real teacher, but if you are, then God help those poor children.
WTF DICE WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY !?!?! Try to read the posts next time !!! PLZ clarify this statement or you will be the one why Poles consider Americans dummer nothing suprises me if you try to comment not knothing things ....
1. Minority ? Have you ever asked yourselfs what Minority means !?!?!
Minority is a population (sometimes an Enthnic group) living in another country got that !!! "We are American, I am American." Have you ever thought about this what you pointed out Youre an american cause ? You were born in USA right Dice youre also an America citizen right !?!?! of course you ultimately get citizenships of that country where youre are born in however in fact this statement "I am American" is partly true you know in reality true americans were Indians they lived here earlier did they ? The USA took their land later right so youre americans partialy actually you should refer to yourself as nation of United States of America which is commonly refered to as Americans however in the spite of historical accordinance its a FALSE statement !!!! LOL isnt it ? more accurently should be UNITED AMERICANS right ? cause the country name is UNITED states of AMERICA see for your self !!!!!!!!!! all right but lets leave it there and call citizens of USA americans shall we !!!
NEXT ISSUE Most People here or adleast this group which are we speaking of are Polish Emigrants (People of Polish NATIONALITY !!!!!!! who camed to live in USA) and they got an AMERICA CITIZENSHIPS so on the light of the US law theyre now US Citizens BUT NOT US NATIONALS !!!!!!!!! Why these Poles cant be called Americans ? !!!!!
ANSWER: Cause these Poles where Born in the Republic of Poland (a country in Eastern Europe !!!!!) Now Nationality cant be something which can be banned ...Dice you are an US National even if you come suposely to Poland and obtain an Polish Citizenships you still be an American youll be an American living in Poland !!!!!!
When you can call a child a Polish American AKA an American of Polish origin !!!
It is when one or even two !!! (yes) Parents are Polish BUT the child is born in America the Child is not whol America but its in part an American national thus Child can be refered as An American or if it likes it may be a Polish American !!!
POLISH PEOPLE WHO CAMED TO USA TO WORK OR LIVE IN THE STATES AND OBTAINED AN CITIZENSHIPS !!!!! ARE US CITIZENS BUT NOT AMERICANS
PEOPLE OF POLISH ORIGIN (Those who had ancestors Polish) BUT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ARE AMERICANS !!!!!!!!!! THESE PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM ARE NOT AMERICANS THEYRE POLES LIVING IN USA !!!!!
you Said that Lucynda is an teacher you should ask her for tutoring becuse your educations lacks !!!!!!! You were so fast to critisize her Dice that you overlooked this issue !!!!!
AS to why Poles hate Americans ?
Dice youre yourself is the best answer Americans are quick to judge people and to literaty put them in mud !!! Thought they have no background idea about the situation !!! POLES ARE DRUNKS CAUSE PRODUCE VERY LARGE AMOUNTS OF VODKA BUT AMERICANS FAIL TO REALIZE THAT THIS VODKA COMES TO THE STATES !!!!!!!! AND ONLY PART OF IT IS DISTRIBUTED IN POLAND !!!!! lol Dice ever thought about this !!!! theres always a second picture about all things !!!
Lucynda Yoiur question is about Do Many people in America hate Americans
Please realise that theres nothing like an ideal relationships Americans look at Poles like People lower category and than again Poles sometimes do complain about evrything !!! So Dont treat it seriously:
only ask because this is the opinion of my girlfriend. We both live in Chicago, and know Polish people. But she says that they hate being here, and look down upon Americans because they see us as rich and lazy. Is that true? I would hate to think so, working with Polish people, being friends with them, even dating one for a while.....
Youre dating with a Pole did he tell you that he hates you cause your american ...You Know Polish People ask them that do they hate you cause yore american !!!! Do you know what the answer is ? Poles really do like americans not hate them and even if they complain about them its just cause life is really hard some times... Lucynda do you know the meaning of an AMERICAN DREAM well In Poland its soo Idealised THIS IS THE PICTURE AMERICANS ARE A NATION PICKED BY GOD INTO LIVING IN LUXIORY ALL AMERICANS ARE SUPER MAN AND ALL OF THEM ARE WORKING IN HIGH OFFICES THESE PEOPLE ARE RICH JUST ETC !!!
SO IF THEYRE SOO PERFECT ITS NO SIN TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM ? RIGHT !!!
hehehe lol buts thats just an idealisation People in America are the same like in Poland and when they POLES realise that they finally begun to see that America is not a coutry of Chuck Norris'es Rambo's ,Super mans and civil utopian society but a normal country breathing with its own fault where there is not much justice and people struggle to have money so they wont be kicked out of their homes (like in Poland LOL) They Begun complain that americans are Lazy but rich right !!!!
AS to you Polish Boyfriend at the end its not your nationality but youre love for him that will decide what will happen in that relationships
I Said Poles love America and Americans And will prove publicly anoucing that IM ALSO POLE my NAME is STASZEK and I live in Szczecinek (that a town in Poland)
Check Lucynda on wikipedia where is Szczecinek youll have a proof and just dont mind it Youre friend is one of those who was cheated by Hollywods "American Dream) and neads to see true America now !!!!!
I only ask because this is the opinion of my girlfriend. We both live in Chicago, and know Polish people. But she says that they hate being here, and look down upon Americans because they see us as rich and lazy. Is that true? I would hate to think so, working with Polish people, being friends with them, even dating one for a while.....
Most Poles in Poland look down on the Poles who sit in places like Chicago (or London, or Toronto, or wherever) and do nothing but complain about where they ended up. But chances are, if they complain in Chicago they definitely complained back in Poland. Otherwise, they would have never packed up what little they owned and hauled ass to Chicago. think about it.
Hi all! I have read these interesting posts and here's what I think. First of all I can't help feeling a little sorry for Lucynda as it was just a question from an opinionated statement made by a friend and it has sparked a somewhat heated debate.
However, I can say that I have had discussions with many Polish people here in London both professionally and socially and although I have respect for them being a pleasant and hard working people, I have consistently been told by them that Polish people do particularly 'dislike other Poles'. If this be true then just possibly there may be some truth in Lucynda's girlfriend's statement/opinion regarding their dislike of Americans.
As for the Americans not travelling abroad well why do they need to, the US is such a large and diverse country they have everything they need for a vacation within their borders, many different types of terrain, picturesque mountains for skiing and blue oceans with beautiful sandy beaches?
As a Brit I sympathise with some of the excessive criticism that they receive. We had their job previously running the World and I have received insults and negative remarks for most of my early life because of this.......at least the pressure is off us now and seems to be on them, the poor souls (SOBs).
Yes it's true, they come across a bit dumb sometimes and the Brits make fun of them occasionally and it's just that, bottom line- 'fun' but do not forget the World owes them a great deal in the way of inventions/innovations and their role during WW2 and as peacekeepers form the nuclear threat ever since. Hope I haven’t upset anyone.
I think they should get the President to increase their vacation days though!
This is just a matter of facts and it depends on each person, we really can't generalize that such ethnic group hates others or the opposite - I'm not saying that this doesn't happen, what I mean is that it does happen - but generalization doesn't work in this kind of situation. A small number of a particular ethnic group may hate or dislike other people from another particular ethnic groups - this is always true. But this doesn't happening to ALL people, some members from any different races are of course interested in the cultures of others. Hopefully that there are still some Poles love, or in any words, are fascinated by the American cultures and use it to turn their hatred toward America into a peaceful thought.
Well there's one way to avoid the Americans you immigrants hate...just don't move to America. Why move someplace filled with people you hate? Non sequitur.
Whether you were born in America or came as immigrant, if you don't like it, leave.
Amen.
Everyday I see these threads on here and it's just laughable:
Typical native Pole on PFs: "Americans are fat, stupid, materialistic, arrogant, lazy..." - But almost in the same sentence.. "Hey America, what's with the visa restrictions, why wouldn't you want more of us living with you?? We are the Polish.. WE DESERVE IT. Go out of of your way to accomodate our every whim.. if you don't, you're racist. - BTW, did we mention how stupid we think you are." :- S
How about this, don't call us we'll call you. At the end of the day, there's a lot of people who want to be here who don't think we're "fat, stupid..scourge of civilization" :-D
"Americans are fat, stupid, materialistic, arrogant, lazy..." - But almost in the same sentence.. "Hey America, what's with the visa restrictions, why wouldn't you want more of us living with you??
Ha! You trickster. Are these posts by the same people? I, for one, never complained about US visa issues for Poles. Heck, I fell out of love with the US so I left. That is not to say I hate America. Lotsa good buddies of mine there. It's just the country is not for me. Much like, let's say, Antarctica . I'm sure it's a cool place, few fat people, most are very smart, but me and Antarctica ... nah.
