Expat Poles swearing allegiance to the US - how did you feel?

we've discussed this a bit here:

dual citizenship - US doesn't care if you don't give up Polish passport

Your elementary school patriotism is charming:)


A typical response of a person who doesn't have any rational arguments. I'm sure you got red in the face when you typed it. Now not only your neck is red.

US might start to care and soon, new threats of terrorism might even get alot harder to become
an American citizen.


Trainer calm down man, although i do agree if people don't like it so much, then leave, America isn't gonna change for no one.

So what's your "rational argument" for staying in a country that you hate so much?


Yep, the door is open. No one is forced to stay here.

Oh, looks who is here, ready and eager to defend fellow campers:)

Why can't you people get it. If one doesn't agree with certain things in America it doesn't mean they hate America. There is good things and bad things everywhere and if one dares to mention the negative things they notice here you people feel offended on personal level. Isn't free speech for everyone what America stands for?

observing your posts, I have the impression that you don't like pretty much anything here.


OK, tell us what you like here for a change.

America is changing all the time. The thing is to gave some balls and keep pointing out the stuff that still needs to improve. We got a better chance to do that here than anywhere else in the world. It's the speed and the degree of possible changes we can argue about.

I like the education. I like how the schools are problem solving oriented.
I like how the people are optimistic. How they can switch careers even in their 40ties and 50ties they don't blame anyone for their misfortunes.

I like how women are independent. How they can be themselves and not feel the need to be charming and flirtatious all the time.
I like how easy it is here to start a business.
I like how people volunteer for their communities.
I like how young people get a job and try to be in charge of their life.
I love how Americans respect talent.
I love how people look with glassy eyes at succes stories and they don't feel jelousy, just admiration.
I love hoe people are tolerant and non-judgemental (at least the majority)
I love how Americans are patient with the accents.
I loved going to college here (and I did pay out-of state rates, no worries).
Felt soft around my heart for America last summer when I flew in from Poland and when through passport control with my two kids one speaking German, one speaking English and me speaking Polish to them and a black officer said "welcome home".

Enough? Or should I keep going?

If you wanna work hard don't matter if it's with your mind or with your hands you can actually have a pretty good life here and in a short period of time. What can a person in Poland have? a bad back. My uncle worked for 35 years in a steel mill doesn't even have a junk car, doesn't drink his wages, doesn't spend money on nonsense, just could feed clothe and send his children to college.

Lol. Spoken like an unattractive woman.


Does it matter what color he was, Lib?

PennBoy this dream is dead there is no more steel mills left in this country, all you have is illegal wars that are getting exported outside and the import is dead soldiers.

all of you American hawks have you serve in army? or you are just chicken hawks.

illegal war is the one that congress did not declare war.

Spoken like a thinking woman. And pretty too.


It doesn't, Redneck.


Yes, and I will keep and treasure the two you gave me today:
1. Ugly
2. Liberal
Those are two things I found out about myself today.

BTW, I forgot to add to my "What I like about America" list:
I like stupid American males. They never fail to entertain.

Now I'm out of here. Sweet dreams to you. About greatness :)

No one can sell you sh*t you don’t need like the Americans can - including patriotism.

America has lost its way. There is too much corporate control over the government. Decisions made from Clinton to Bush and beyond have way too much corporate influence. Clinton signs the China trade deal which send a huge number of ordinary American jobs to Asia (without ensuring fair competition). Bushie starts wars we cannot win to feed the military industrial complex and the associated corporations. Americans can’t find jobs but find themselves having to finance two hopeless wars. And who do they blame…?

Well it's either that or being a "Subject of the Queen"

Interesting. Thanks.


Hey, I enjoy hearing Americans speak. As someone who studied linguistics and anthropology they fascinate me.

We have a tame American at work and he and the Brit NS's are constantly sounding each other out about what you can and can't say as an American/Brit speaker of English. It's vital, cos a lot of the kids use US spelling (so we need to know if they are using uS spelling or just spelling it wrong ;-) )

If you ever wanted to see the piano stop in a school staffroom, there was a time when another American teacher asked, "Hey, do you British really have a difference between the Present perfect Simple and the Present Perfect Continuous?"


and often vote them back in for a second term... hey you're not THAT different to Brits (we can manage a third term)

more like tolerate crime committed but the criminals do not tolerate mistakes by Americans so to jail you go.

and guesswho I can sum your posts like this ( byłas w dupie i guwno wiesz ) as you have not lived long enough to know way around, but do not worry pumpkin after you get out of school you will join unemployment line if you ever get to finish.

Said one of the top 10 morons on PF, lol Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me.
My financial situation is better already than yours ever will be so worry about yourself.

I am glad there are people like you ready to have their arm,leg or head blown off in the name of "his" country.This way people like grubas can just chill and enjoy their lives.


What if one does not support any country but only himself?Like grubas who is neutral when it comes to countries thing and stuff.


Boo hoo.You can bark all you want but you can't bite.

Exactly we're talking about Poles living in the States, not Poles in Poland. What makes me angry is (i have to use this term now) "Pollacks" who come to America been there a few months or years, and they start talking bs about how things are here. Or can't speak English nor have legal status and walk around like they're better than everyone else, cause he was somebody back in his village in Poland, ignorant.

I had to register mainly because of this thread, but also because I am interested in learning more about Poland as my mothers side has a lot of polish ties. Unfortunately I do not speak polish nor have I ever visited Poland but some day I would like to.

First I must correct you on land of the free and home of the brave. That is complete bullshit. I am 33 years old and looking for a way to move out of America and possibly renounce my citizenship for a number of reasons.

One, no one in this country is truly free unless you have billions of dollars. I began to take notice of politics a few years ago when at the time president Bush jr saved the failing general motors auto manufacture from certain death by issuing what is commonly known here in America as a "bail out package". Unfortunately that bail out money came from ordinary taxpayers like myself. At that time I was working a 9-6 job where I was paid 19.00/hr. I paid state and federal taxes because it is the law. After Bush bailed out GM I believe he or the next (and current) president obama also bailed out several large banks, the biggest being bank of america. Again another company that was failing at the time, AIG, or american insurance group, was also posting record losses and poised to file bankruptcy but either bush or obama (I cannot remember at the moment) signed a bail out "package" for that company as well. Days or weeks later news broke that that their bail out money was being used by the ceo's to give managers bonuses, some bonuses in the hundreds of thousands to numerous different employees.

It was at this time I quit my job based on that and some other personal reasons with my main reason being that I was not going to go into work everyday, bust my butt so that my tax money could be used to save irresponsible companies from failing and reward incompetent employees. GM should have failed, in my opinion, just liek any small business that fails for one reason or another.

Another serious issue that America is having right now is illegal immigration. I do believe that in part our economy is in such poor condition because we have millions of illegal aliens living in America and using services that they do not pay for, services that are reserved for tax paying citizens. Services such as police, fire, libraries, roads, trash pick up, education, the legal system and other things. Anyone who works in the education system knows that American education is ranked something like 25th in the world, with finland and korea being ranked first, if I recall correctly.

The major problem with the illegal immigration is that elected officials such as congressmen are using these people to remain in power, or in other words, keep their seat. Basically its a trade off, the illegal immigration population's family members who are citizens will vote for congressmen who shoot down any type of border enforcement or any other people or programs that want to strip special services from illegal immigrants. Congressmen were elected by US citizens yet they betray us every chance they get. Many are extremely corrupt and some don't pay taxes yet they get away with it. Whereas if I did not pay taxes I would be thrown in jail.

Another problem is the US government has gotten way too big and they are abusing their power. They have always abused their power, governments, but the US feds are way out of control and many Americans are waking up to this and are very angry. Thus the US government is doing everything they can to keep citizens in the dark and continue to use us for their own satisfaction.

As you may know we still have American troops in Afghanistan. Many Americans, including myself, do not approve of this. From my understanding Bush jr originally sent troops there to find osama bin laden after he attacked us on sept 11th 2001 in which he had instructed members of his group to fly commercial aircraft into several different significant buildings here in America. It has been nine years now and we still do not have osama bin laden in custody. We had our chance to get him and Bush declined to the terms presented to him by osama's associates. Many Americans are not as stupid as the government thinks and we know they purposely kept the war going because it makes the military industrial complex money.

You may know that America also has bases and troops in various other regions of the world and I do believe that this is why so many people around the globe dislike Americans. I don't blame them but please try not to lump us all together as war-mongering arrogant ********.

If you are considering coming to America I suggest you do it legally. Fill out the paperwork required and wait your turn in line. Many Americans do not like illegal immigrants because they are a burden on us financially. Our main problem is the southern border and our elected officials responsible for border security have been ignoring citizens cries to secure it. Mexico is currently engulfed in a war with drug cartels and the violence is spilling over into America. Yesterday a border agent was killed from a gun battle with illegal bandits about ten miles north of the border on US land. Months ago a US couple was jet skiing on a lake off of Texas and the husband was shot and killed by mexican nationals believed to be drug cartel. Last year a man who had a ranch on the border was shot and killed by a suspected illegal who was tresspassing on his property. It seems the violence from mexico keeps getting worse everyday and not much is done about it.

Make no mistake, if you are an American citizen you are not free, in fact you are a slave to the rich and to the illegals and poor that are draining social and welfare services paid for by "middle class". In ten years I fear America will be just like Mexico or the old USSR.

Brave? There are few brave people here in America and the ones such as myself who speak out against our elected officials are deemed traitors by our government. Most of the citizens in this country are what people like myself like to call "sheeple". A group of people nothing more than zombie-like lambs who stare at the television and believe whatever they are told.

Our unemployment rate is also something like 10% right now, but the mainstream news outlets, many times referred to as mainstream media or MSM, will not tell you the truth, about anything really unless it helps their agenda and keeps American citizens in the dark.

I urge you to think twice about coming here and swearing alleigence to this country as it is as corrupt as it has ever been and the government really does not care about you unless you plan to join the armed services and fight for their narrow-minded agenda. Do not help make it worse. If a one world government scares you then I suggest you do your homework before trying to come here and expecting some sort of better treatment than what you have there in Poland as you will be in for a rude awakening.

In closing, America is NOT holding up a banner of freedom around the globe, instead they are trying to take over every country they can in their quest for a "new world order" and one currency. Americans leaders are nothing more than organized crime communists ripe with arrogance and with access to too much money and power.

I think you might want to come over and spend some time over in Poland before thinking about renouncing your citizenship (which you'll need time and money to do anyway...and you'd need a second passport in hand already as host countries aren't usually too keen on accepting people that have been rendered stateless). Every country has its problems, most of Europe is in the same boat.

I agree, no country is perfect but for the previous poster to sit here and claim all this freedom and bravery regarding the US is just pure ignorance. But go ahead, come here and live for at least 5-10 years and then after you've watched your tax money be pandered to illegals and how lobbyists buy presidents and destroy animal habitats (hello exxon valdez spill off of Alaska, or the horizon gulf oil spill most recently)) then you can try and tell me about freedom. America is all just one big lie. A facade. Don't fall for it.

Like the Polish forces who are currently serving in aid of some other country...

Every country is a big lie, it just depends what you are looking for.

True but a lie is always a matter of interpretation. Usually people who are unhappy with their lives are so frustrated that they tend to blame everyone else for their failure.

So anyway... It would appear that indeed some Poles do swear/cuss allegiance to the US.

Aren't we all American haters here on PF??? Or am i lost somewhere?

I would never swear allegiance to any country, even my own. What would be the point exactly?

people like havok and trewer are stupid. It is so obvious that they are blind to what America really stands for today. If not then in in that case too, they deserve zero respect for being slaves and even eager servants to the corporate and corrupt government of america. This kind of attitude and behaviour demonstrates this. Are they at all Polish, as I know no Pole thinks this way.

Nonsense, happiness is a state of mind !


bingo !
However I wouldn't put so much emphasis on the American aspect the process.


not really, they just feel stronger then some a need to belong, and instant gratification

The fact of not being constantly unhappy doesn't change a thing because anytime people feel unhappy, they'll still blame someone else for their failure.