wildeckirenegat - | 18
6 Oct 2010 / #31
I'm surprised by selfhating nature of PolAms here...
"We don't deserve these lights, we have Pulaski's bridge after all..."
"We don't deserve these lights, we have Pulaski's bridge after all..."
EMPIRE STATE BUILDING IN NYC DISRESPECTS POLISH AMERICANS!
Pinching Pete - | 554
6 Oct 2010 / #32
I'm surprised by selfhating nature of PolAms here...
Look man.. nobody is self hating .. He practically has his own feast day over here, do try the decaf please..
Tributes
One of the first tributes to Pulaski was paid when George Washington on November 17, 1779, issued a challenge-and-password set for identifying friend and foe when crossing military lines: "Query: Pulaski, response: Poland".
The United States has long commemorated Pulaski's contributions to the American War of Independence, but Polish immigration in the 20th century heightened the interest. In 1929, Congress passed a resolution recognizing October 11 of each year as "General Pulaski Memorial Day",[12] dedicated to Pulaski's memory and to the heritage of Polish-Americans. Each October Grand Rapids, Michigan, celebrates "Pulaski Days".[5] There is also a statue of Pulaski in Detroit, Michigan, in the intersection of Washington Boulevard and Michigan Avenue.
Chicago Pollock 7 | 503
6 Oct 2010 / #33
Pulaski???? What about Kosciuszko?
As a national hero in Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, and the United States, Kościuszko has given his name to many places around the world and numerous monuments. The Polish explorer Count Paweł Edmund Strzelecki named the highest mountain in Australia, Mount Kosciuszko, after him. The mountain is the central feature of Kosciuszko National Park.
trener zolwia 1 | 939
6 Oct 2010 / #34
here's a large fort named after him.. with alligators too even.. fitting for the tough bastard Pulaski was..
I was just reading something about this the other day.
Von Steuben
Baron von Steuben was a brilliant military man. He probably helped America become a free nation as much as any historical figure of the period. At a time when our Patriot soldiers were beaten down, demoralized and deserting, and the war was nearly lost, Von Steuben came along and with Prussian military techniques whipped our boys into a renewed and efficient fighting force. Upon seeing this, the Continental Congress was made more willing to reinvest in funding the war effort. But the Frenchman, Lafayette, gets all the good press. He was cool too, but he was no Fred von Steuben. Without Fred's assistance we'd all prolly still be speaking English today...
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11914
6 Oct 2010 / #35
Poles and Germans fighting together, side by side, to free and build the US...what a story!
If we only could do the same here in good 'ol Europe! :)
If we only could do the same here in good 'ol Europe! :)
trener zolwia 1 | 939
6 Oct 2010 / #36
Poles and Germans fighting together, side by side, to free and build the US...what a story!
Indeed!
Pulaski is one of only seven peopleto be awarded honorary United States citizenship.
Cool.
His first military engagement against the British was on September 11, 1777, at the Battle of Brandywine.
Down the road about 10 miles from where I am right now. They say you could hear the cannon fire from here.
In Washington, DC, there is a park dedicated to Pulaski located on Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, between 13th and 14th streets. In addition to a statue of Pulaski, the park also houses Freedom Plaza.
Been there. Most recently, just last year.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_Pulaski
Germans fighting together, side by side, to free and build the US
About 20 miles from here is a park called Valley Forge National Historical Park. Every school kid here knows of it as where Washington encamped the Continental Army through a brutal winter that nearly wiped them out. Pulaski was there too. It's also where Von Steuben worked his military magic on them.
Anyway, nearby is a township (I think I mentioned this to you before) called King of Prussia. Today one of our biggest shopping malls is there. The township gets its name from an old tavern and inn that served as a military meeting place during that time (lots of old stories about American officers and enemy spies getting them drunk to loosen their lips).
No one is really sure just how the place got its seemingly odd and misplaced name. I wonder if it had something to do with Von Steuben hanging around that area? I think it must have, although the Wiki doesn't mention any such connection nor have I ever heard this theory asserted.
King of Prussia is a ... place in Upper Merion Township, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, United States. ... The community took its name in the 18th century from a local tavern named "The King of Prussia Inn", which was named after Frederick II, King of Prussia. ... The largest shopping mall in the United States in terms of leasable retail space, the King of Prussia Mall, is located here.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Prussia,_Pennsylvania
Furious Polish-Americans
Lol, that is funny. Some people can't take rejection. Do Americans get mad that there aren't any American hero monuments in Poland? Who cares? Just proves how shallow minded some people are and think they are the best thing ever invented. Lol. How immature.
Just proves how shallow minded some people are and think they are the best thing ever invented. Lol. How immature.
that's right! that's an American way! :)
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1878
6 Oct 2010 / #39
urszula wrote:
McDonald's, KFC, TGIFriday's, Burger King......
we have plenty!
on a serious note, it's exactly why the rest of the world will forever have animosity towards the USA. no matter what we invent, no matter how many immigrants we take in and provide a better life for, no matter how much money we donate to charity or to natural disaster struck countries, in the eyes of the rest of the world we will always be:
Mickey Mouse with a gun in one hand and a liter of Coca Cola in the other, fat, lazy, war mongering, spoiled and stupid.
The USA is like the dad in every American sitcom.....goes to work every day, supports his kids and wife yet gets non-stop abuse from every one of them as they show the audience how dumb daddy really is and that he can never do anything right.
Do Americans get mad that there aren't any American hero monuments in Poland?
McDonald's, KFC, TGIFriday's, Burger King......
we have plenty!
on a serious note, it's exactly why the rest of the world will forever have animosity towards the USA. no matter what we invent, no matter how many immigrants we take in and provide a better life for, no matter how much money we donate to charity or to natural disaster struck countries, in the eyes of the rest of the world we will always be:
Mickey Mouse with a gun in one hand and a liter of Coca Cola in the other, fat, lazy, war mongering, spoiled and stupid.
The USA is like the dad in every American sitcom.....goes to work every day, supports his kids and wife yet gets non-stop abuse from every one of them as they show the audience how dumb daddy really is and that he can never do anything right.
quote=wildeckirenegat]I'm surprised by selfhating nature of PolAms here...
"We don't deserve these lights, we have Pulaski's bridge after all..."[/quote]
Well, they've Polish stamp on American culture granted, a few characteristic and notable Poles in the American History. For most of the Pol Ams that is enough as the prevalent culture is dictated by the everyday language and its intrinsic features and limits.
Few bulbs on empire state building is rather an expression of a practical nature of an American, those states like Britain and Germany do play important role in the political, cultural and economical interest of the USA.
Lack of Poland is just visual appreciation of the fact that Poland is secondary and not so important player on an American practical firmament!
Your surprise flow from the deep spring of ignorance !
However, PomAms standing on the visa issue - was indeed surprising,but rather selfish than self-hating !
"We don't deserve these lights, we have Pulaski's bridge after all..."[/quote]
Well, they've Polish stamp on American culture granted, a few characteristic and notable Poles in the American History. For most of the Pol Ams that is enough as the prevalent culture is dictated by the everyday language and its intrinsic features and limits.
Few bulbs on empire state building is rather an expression of a practical nature of an American, those states like Britain and Germany do play important role in the political, cultural and economical interest of the USA.
Lack of Poland is just visual appreciation of the fact that Poland is secondary and not so important player on an American practical firmament!
Your surprise flow from the deep spring of ignorance !
However, PomAms standing on the visa issue - was indeed surprising,but rather selfish than self-hating !
Torq
6 Oct 2010 / #41
I can't believe this thread is still going on. Seriously, people. Is there any Pole in Poland,
who actually gives a flying f**k about a couple of lightbulbs somewhere in McDonald's land?
If those lightbulbs, in this 200 year old country, which is on the best way to becoming
a Chinese satelite (in economic sense at least), are so important for PPs living there,
then I guess they have their ways of expressing their dissapointment, but for real Poles
in Poland this is completely irrelevant.
I might be mildly concerned if Poland was similarly "disrespected" in Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine,
Russia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Germany, Denmark or Sweden, because those countries are
our neighbours and we should keep the best possible relations with them. If similar thing
happened in France, Italy or Hungary, I would probably be anxious too. But USA??? DILLIGAF???
They can flash their lightbulbs pink, green or yellow all year long, for all I care :)
who actually gives a flying f**k about a couple of lightbulbs somewhere in McDonald's land?
If those lightbulbs, in this 200 year old country, which is on the best way to becoming
a Chinese satelite (in economic sense at least), are so important for PPs living there,
then I guess they have their ways of expressing their dissapointment, but for real Poles
in Poland this is completely irrelevant.
I might be mildly concerned if Poland was similarly "disrespected" in Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine,
Russia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Germany, Denmark or Sweden, because those countries are
our neighbours and we should keep the best possible relations with them. If similar thing
happened in France, Italy or Hungary, I would probably be anxious too. But USA??? DILLIGAF???
They can flash their lightbulbs pink, green or yellow all year long, for all I care :)
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11914
6 Oct 2010 / #42
DILLIGAF???
Well...as it was a polish hero and a german hero fighting hard together to get that ungrateful pack up on their feet and now only one of them get's honored!
Without our alliance helping them they wouldn't have an Empire State Building to change their bulbs in the first place, so there....
I'm pissed too for my polish comrades in arms!
(My that sounds...funny...but not bad...just somewhat unusual)
:)
Torq
6 Oct 2010 / #43
I'm pissed
I'm not.
EMPIRE STATE BUILDING IN NYC DISRESPECTS POLISH AMERICANS!
... pisses me off as much as...
CITY HALL IN WAGADUGU DISRESPECTS LECH WALESA'S 68TH BIRTHDAY!
...would.
Who cares? Just proves how shallow minded some people are and think they are the best thing ever invented. Lol. How immature.
Finally a good comment, thx
If lights are so important for you guys then just wait few more weeks, turn the Christmas lights on and sing Christmas carols and be happy that you got enough to eat and that there's a peace around you.
Lights in NYC is the smallest problems of all we have nowadays.
trener zolwia 1 | 939
6 Oct 2010 / #45
Christmas lights on and sing Christmas carols
There are sinister efforts afoot to ban these here in an affront to Christianity.
zetigrek
6 Oct 2010 / #46
Why? BECAUSE IT'S AMERICA! I wonder if they will let me cover the Polish presidential palace with a big Israeli flag??? hmmm guessed not.
but they lid it for some German hero.
Puławski is also American hero...
But Torq has right. who gives a damn f about something like that?
trener zolwia 1 | 939
6 Oct 2010 / #47
Off topic comment removed
It is important here to note the distinction between public and private commemoration.
Many groups and individuals have been officially recognised by our government at all levels, from Federal down to local. America has been very good at honoring foreigners who aided us in our time of need and showing appreciation for their efforts to help secure our independence -as all the monuments and naming of places and things in their honor attests.
Whereas the Empire State Building is a privately owned entity and as such they are free to honor or not whoever they so choose... as well they are free to exercise their apparent biases in doing so.
It is important here to note the distinction between public and private commemoration.
Many groups and individuals have been officially recognised by our government at all levels, from Federal down to local. America has been very good at honoring foreigners who aided us in our time of need and showing appreciation for their efforts to help secure our independence -as all the monuments and naming of places and things in their honor attests.
Whereas the Empire State Building is a privately owned entity and as such they are free to honor or not whoever they so choose... as well they are free to exercise their apparent biases in doing so.
How can a building disrespect people? It's inanimate!
Thank you Sean :-)
That's ok! Stating the obvious but it needed to be said. Anyway, I posted a brilliant video on Polish Americans and nobody commented on it. It was right on the mark.
How can a building disrespect people? It's inanimate!
Ask him/her/it
It doesn't speak. Anyway, here's a video which shows that Polish Americans can express themselves and be respected. https://polishforums.com/polonia-usa-canada-28/any-other-polish-ame ricans-feel-culture-needs-more-well-46885/, first page under Seanus.
That's ok! Stating the obvious but it needed to be said. Anyway, I posted a brilliant video on Polish Americans and nobody commented on it. It was right on the mark.
I watched it. Those people seem to have forked a while back and now have their own identity (complete with funny costumes and Polka..).
It's pretty decent as videos go. I still don't see how a building can disrespect people.
I'm surprised by selfhating nature of PolAms here...
We don't need to hate ourselves, thats everyone elses job.
Plenty of stuff in the US named after Pulaski. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulaski_(disambiguation) Maybe the Poles need to get busy naming stuff after him?
What about Kosciuszko?
Sorry, can't pronounce it. :) He's a victim of expediance.
Pinching Pete - | 554
6 Oct 2010 / #56
The Empire should have lit up the lights red/ white /red though. It would be a nice gesture and it would look cool.
It's pretty decent as videos go. I still don't see how a building can disrespect people.
yeah nice as it goes :)
You mean that they don't talk to you ?Maybe they/it take you for a racist with an anti-buliding agenda?
Maybe the Poles need to get busy naming stuff after him?
Why? he was kicked out, troublemaker!
Against the building race? ;) ;) I think not!
Well, maybe they/it just doesn't like you, think about tents !:D
Why? he was kicked out, troublemaker!
Us too! He must have been some of that wretched refuse. Maybe we should fetch his body back home to Savannah where it belongs!