Witam!
Not been on here long but it does seem funny how people get very hot under the collar very quickly!
I am sure there are similar forums for other countries on the internet!!
There seems to be a common theme - people making judgement calls on isolated facts or isolated newpaper /media articles often written by people in the press obviosuly to sell newspapers! Sky new is the worst case of this ! Dumbing down news and sensationalising things to make them bigger than they are! They need to fill 24 hours of TV remember so you have to take things with a pinch of salt!
I suppose I am in the weird position of having Polish parents and upbringing but born in the UK and grewing up as English too? Double trouble eh? So I try to see both sides of arguments (well hopefully I do?)
For me the Poles and the English etc are all the same underneath, yes we have some cultural differences thats because we have come from different backgrounds/circumstances and so on. This is normal.
When you see a newspaper article along the lines of 'they are putting up Polish Road signs in North Wales as there are so many of them!!!'
Panic we are being invaded!!!!!!!!! There will be no more Welsh people here they are all Poles/Eastern European!!! DANGER save your children. Stupid I know but people worry and who would'nt?
I dont know about you but from personal experience in my local Polish community we have always blended in with the surroundings, just like most other cultures and got on with the locals like the Italians, Germans, Spanish etc etc this is normal so why do people worry so much? They begin to worry when these visitors start to behave in a less than respectful way, getting drunk all hours and general yobbish behaviour. Is the excuse we work hard we play hard? Well no its not! There is no excuse for that? There are scumballs in Poland as there are in UK, Ireland, Scotland, France anywhere. Trouble is everyone gets tarred with a brush, but the more grown up and sensible amongst us try not to assume everyone is like that.
I am sure there are plenty of Chavs in Poland as much as in the UK!
People in the UK worry jobs go abroad - calls centres to Poland , Hungary etc Sheesh is this something new? My company had a call centre in Hungary for years - it was fekin hopeless! They were rubbish, its gone to India now - they are just as bad if not worse! Call centres no matter where located are low wage high turnover establishments. Its the business accountants that decide these things and all you can do is decide not to shop or use that company unless it has a UK call centre for instance? Thats what I do?
Ok so lets look at something else? You are prepared to leave your family, your country and work in a Costa coffee for minimum wage at a service station where you work all hours and yet (mostly but not always) greet your customers with a smile and a helpful disposition! Poles yes they do that! I remember recently stopping off in Scotland at a service station late at night middle of nowhere. The Polish girl serving (I can spot them a mile off!!) was extremely nice and helpful and I could tell she was shattered and by herself doing all the work. The price of the coffee was probably her hourly rate.
Ok so why are jobs going like this? We all know because the benefits system in the UK is geared up in such a way that it would cost them more to go off benefits? So they stay on them? Fine so that implies you will lose out moneywise and you would rather doss about all day and give up on life? The other answer is nobody wants to do those jobs here - they think that is beneath them? They want to be the next Cheryl Cole or celebrity Chef? But hang on how do you get to be like that ? Oh yes you get off your lazy backside and make it happen? Now I am ranting - hahaha. This is well known but instead we see - eastern europeans are taking the jobs from us?
The other side of course are the arrogant Poles who think the world owes them a favour? You know the ones - they need everyone to hear what they have to say, they complain about everything? Oh its so Boring here in Scotland nothing to do in this town? The Scots just watch TV and drink Whiskey? What? Stereotyping - is this a form of racism? What !!!Panic! How will the human race survive?
There are also the less than friendly Poles in shops who do look down their noses as though they just wiped you off their shoe? No need for it is there? If you are so good /superior why are you working in a cafe serving tables luv? Surely you would be living in your Polish Castle?
Goodness sakes people - take things a little lighter. We all have to get along, yet people have to focus on the bad things which sells papers!
Yes me too I hate anyone regardless of colour or race who does not treat anyone else with respect!!
I have seen lots of Poles who frankly I dont want to mix with or even let on that I can speak Polish and understand them! Always fun when they are slagging someone off in a supermarket and I just come over and tell them thats my cousin your talking about (in polish) the look on their faces is priceless ..... just my little joke!
Please folks dont get too wound up about stuff you read in the press or even the way some people post on here - golden rule with forums - dont get drunk when posting and understand, like email for example your comments can come across differently to people depending how they read things (I know I do)
Ta ra for now (hope the mods did'nt mind me posting this?)
Not been on here long but it does seem funny how people get very hot under the collar very quickly!
I am sure there are similar forums for other countries on the internet!!
There seems to be a common theme - people making judgement calls on isolated facts or isolated newpaper /media articles often written by people in the press obviosuly to sell newspapers! Sky new is the worst case of this ! Dumbing down news and sensationalising things to make them bigger than they are! They need to fill 24 hours of TV remember so you have to take things with a pinch of salt!
I suppose I am in the weird position of having Polish parents and upbringing but born in the UK and grewing up as English too? Double trouble eh? So I try to see both sides of arguments (well hopefully I do?)
For me the Poles and the English etc are all the same underneath, yes we have some cultural differences thats because we have come from different backgrounds/circumstances and so on. This is normal.
When you see a newspaper article along the lines of 'they are putting up Polish Road signs in North Wales as there are so many of them!!!'
Panic we are being invaded!!!!!!!!! There will be no more Welsh people here they are all Poles/Eastern European!!! DANGER save your children. Stupid I know but people worry and who would'nt?
I dont know about you but from personal experience in my local Polish community we have always blended in with the surroundings, just like most other cultures and got on with the locals like the Italians, Germans, Spanish etc etc this is normal so why do people worry so much? They begin to worry when these visitors start to behave in a less than respectful way, getting drunk all hours and general yobbish behaviour. Is the excuse we work hard we play hard? Well no its not! There is no excuse for that? There are scumballs in Poland as there are in UK, Ireland, Scotland, France anywhere. Trouble is everyone gets tarred with a brush, but the more grown up and sensible amongst us try not to assume everyone is like that.
I am sure there are plenty of Chavs in Poland as much as in the UK!
People in the UK worry jobs go abroad - calls centres to Poland , Hungary etc Sheesh is this something new? My company had a call centre in Hungary for years - it was fekin hopeless! They were rubbish, its gone to India now - they are just as bad if not worse! Call centres no matter where located are low wage high turnover establishments. Its the business accountants that decide these things and all you can do is decide not to shop or use that company unless it has a UK call centre for instance? Thats what I do?
Ok so lets look at something else? You are prepared to leave your family, your country and work in a Costa coffee for minimum wage at a service station where you work all hours and yet (mostly but not always) greet your customers with a smile and a helpful disposition! Poles yes they do that! I remember recently stopping off in Scotland at a service station late at night middle of nowhere. The Polish girl serving (I can spot them a mile off!!) was extremely nice and helpful and I could tell she was shattered and by herself doing all the work. The price of the coffee was probably her hourly rate.
Ok so why are jobs going like this? We all know because the benefits system in the UK is geared up in such a way that it would cost them more to go off benefits? So they stay on them? Fine so that implies you will lose out moneywise and you would rather doss about all day and give up on life? The other answer is nobody wants to do those jobs here - they think that is beneath them? They want to be the next Cheryl Cole or celebrity Chef? But hang on how do you get to be like that ? Oh yes you get off your lazy backside and make it happen? Now I am ranting - hahaha. This is well known but instead we see - eastern europeans are taking the jobs from us?
The other side of course are the arrogant Poles who think the world owes them a favour? You know the ones - they need everyone to hear what they have to say, they complain about everything? Oh its so Boring here in Scotland nothing to do in this town? The Scots just watch TV and drink Whiskey? What? Stereotyping - is this a form of racism? What !!!Panic! How will the human race survive?
There are also the less than friendly Poles in shops who do look down their noses as though they just wiped you off their shoe? No need for it is there? If you are so good /superior why are you working in a cafe serving tables luv? Surely you would be living in your Polish Castle?
Goodness sakes people - take things a little lighter. We all have to get along, yet people have to focus on the bad things which sells papers!
Yes me too I hate anyone regardless of colour or race who does not treat anyone else with respect!!
I have seen lots of Poles who frankly I dont want to mix with or even let on that I can speak Polish and understand them! Always fun when they are slagging someone off in a supermarket and I just come over and tell them thats my cousin your talking about (in polish) the look on their faces is priceless ..... just my little joke!
Please folks dont get too wound up about stuff you read in the press or even the way some people post on here - golden rule with forums - dont get drunk when posting and understand, like email for example your comments can come across differently to people depending how they read things (I know I do)
Ta ra for now (hope the mods did'nt mind me posting this?)