wife wants to have baby in poland not ireland

you was lucky to get your Slavic wife. if your business/job allows you that, you should move to Poland. But, not in the same city were her mother live.

That's a separate issue than the one I was asking him to consider. If you've nothing else to say regarding the things I mentioned then please have the last word in this exchange.

I shared my experience with him because it's worth him considering a few things that no one likes to consider. Even if they do decide on Poland, I suggest he consider his ability to communicate in Polish and gather information, he doesn't want to be making any guesses. If the medical situation that mother and newborn don't leave the hospital for a bit then that's something to consider. Flying in terms of safety and risk is something to consider as well. If these ideas offend your sensibilities then that's for you to deal with.

Forcing her to have a child in your country is not a good idea.

Pre-natal car is much better in the UK and Ireland too. We had our first child in the UK and the pre-natal classes were excellent. In Poland their attempt at these classes (szkola rodzenia) is pathetic.

if she has 10 weeks to go she cannot fly as its a safety risk so unless she fancies two ferries and a very long drive she will have to have it in ireland vi

The facts are that she is wrong, but, she is the one having the baby, and truth be known, she just wants to be close to her family during a vulnerable time.

No, the fact is she wants to have the delivery in a different country, because, if something goes wrong and her life is put in jeopardy then the baby can be aborted late term, however, in Ireland, like we seen with the disgraceful Savita Halappanavar case, Ms Halappanavar was made to deliver a dead feoutus because Ireland didn't allow abortions.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

Would you like this to happen to your missus? I f!ckin doubt it.
And that's the reason why any foreign woman living in Ireland would be better off returning to a health system they trust to have their child

Do you know this woman personally? How do you know the reasons as to why the op's wife is keen on Poland?


What is the point of asking such a question?


Let's not turn this into a which system is worse in the most extreme cases. Besides, your comments reach farther than you can prove so it's a bit of an exaggeration to make claims on behalf of "any foreign woman living in Ireland."

Statistically, which is a safer place for a newborn according to perinatal mortality statistics?
If the father was required to make decisions on behalf of his wife and child, in which country would he better equipped to do that?

If the father was required to make decisions on behalf of his wife and child, how would he do that in Poland?
If the mother and newborn had to stay in hospital a little while longer, in which country would that be better for them all?

if she is in her third trimester, she will probably not be able to fly anyway...so problem solved unless she wants you to drive her over.

No comment.


Not an extreme case, if you bothered to read the link provided you'd know that Irish law states that (in my own words) if there's a heartbeat the baby must be delivered.


Do you honestly think he'd be the only English speaker in a hospital.....you do know that most doctors are required to learn English these days? Many courses in a medical course are even conducted in English.

Personally I've even taught hospital receptionists because they are being asked to learn the lingo too.


He would make a decision using his brain and then the synapses/neurons in his brain would tell his mouth to vocalize this idea, while this is happening his lungs would inhale some air, and then exhale it past his vocal chords to vocalize the idea.


Wherever she and baby would feel more comfortable, which according to OP is Poland.

In terms of a frequency spectrum in Ireland, compared to successful deliveries, you're telling me that situation is not on the extreme end?

Read my first response to this thread, you're naive to say the least.


Well it's good to see you're choosing to be more analytical although in this case you're just choosing to be obtuse on a serious matter. Let me to rephrase: If the father was required to make decisions on behalf of his wife and child, how effectively and efficiently would he be able to do that in Poland? Does that make sense to you now, sunshine?


If you want to think that is the beginning and end of it then all I can tell you is there are considerations you obviously have not internalized and I waste 0 more time and energy trying to educate you on the matter.

Not really, I read somewhere that abortions like this happen 20-30 times a year. In this case the hospital got the law wrong.....it was a gray area to begin with...but new laws have been past to ensure it doesn't repeat.


Ah, be nice.


Exactly the same as he'd do it in Ireland........but with somebody translating. Easy-peasy


Yes, I totally wanted your education......so much for inviting you for a beer in Katowice, I retract the offer since you're quite the meany and hope you enjoy living in Tychy. But you'd probably enjoy your time here more if you didn't act the hardass on an insignificant Internet forum. Sunshine.

Good day to you and yours.

I agree 100% - can you speak Polish? What if something was to happen to your wife & or child, would you be able to communicate? Of course you have to put your wife's wishes first, but this is your child too and your wife - don't think your say is not worthy.

I'm from Australia, I gave birth to my second child in a costly private hospital in Poland. Very few members of the staff were able to speak English. We enquired about their ability to speak English before we decided to have our child here and were told that it would be fine, all of the staff speak English. It wasn't the case and I ended up having an emergency c-section (not because of the language barrier of course) which was quite scary. My Husband is Polish however, he wasn't allowed in the theatre, so I was on my own. If he was unable to speak Polish I'm sure he would have had a very anxious wait out there in the corridor.

I have also spent over a week in a public hospital here in the baby and children's wing (my baby had a chest infection) and it was absolutely terrible. I cannot even begin to tell you how horrible it was. Due to the lack of 'hand washing' policy in place (no hand washing or gloves - no exaggeration), the children that were there when we were all contracted a nasty stomach bug. There were no cleaning crew or things to clean with, so vomit was left on the floor or wherever it fell. It was crazy. I ended up asking my Husband to bring in some cleaning products and cloths etc so I could clean up. So please check the hospital you intend on going to if your wife decides to come to Poland. Keep in mind that if it is public and there is a need for your baby to stay in hospital, you could end up on a ward similar to that which I described above. I'm not saying that all hospitals in Poland are like this. I have heard some very good reports. ALL I'm saying is do your research!

Last time my Mrs was in hospital the only way you could wash your hands after using the toilets was if you'd brought you own soap and towel. I upgraded our medical insurance fairly soon after that.

Have you considered the add on of the mother in law with you for two months when the baby is born, let her have her way and live with the mother for a couple of months. She will be jumping through hoops to get back to Ireland. If you have private medical insurance it may be a good option for your wife to have the baby in PL.

The cynic in me is saying she may be hiding something, I hope for you there is no color scare when the bairn comes along.

I think WHERE in Poland you have your baby makes a difference. I am American and had both of my children here, but we live in Lomza. it was great, they were fantastic to me and I was treated very well.

It is your wife who is having the baby, not you. In the end she should get the say. I would imagine that she would want to end up close to her family after the baby is born, let her.

As for the language issue in the hospital. Does she have English speaking family members? Like a cousin who could be there to translate in case something goes wrong?

Unlike the above post by jam13, my husband was allowed in the operating room during my emergency c-section, so again it really depends on where you are.

Also she cans till fly until her last month, she would be smart to be in Poland for all of her last appointments anyways.

I have neighbors who are form Belarus. When she was a month from having her baby she went back home and did not come back until the baby was about two months old. Here husband traveled back and forth during that time and they are all healthy, happy and she has told me that it meant the world to her to be able to go back home to have her baby where she was comfortable. Here husband was understanding, they communicated about it and realized that her being calm and comfortable was more important than them being together all the time.

Believe me she could also be jumping through hoops to stay in Poland. Heard about it too many times to allow my child to be born in Poland. If this happens daddies finished!!

she is completely wrong, as the facts say its a better and safer system in Ireland. but let her off, she should be close to her family,maybe.


I agree, but its safer to have a baby in Ireland. The facts speak for themselves buddy.

ha,ha I can't believe all this moaning about Polish Health service. I don't know about Ireland but UK is awful. Not much time ago there was big report about scandal in Staffordshire hospitals. Dirty hospitals, incompetent overpaid doctors....enormous waiting lists for anything.

I have been twice to doctors in UK- last time doctor -after listening to my symptoms- said that she didn't know what it was -all for answer!!!...and was more concern about cup of tea to be brought for her by nurse.

Unless the baby miscarries, buddy.


Comparing Ireland to UK is like someone comparing Poland to Belarus/Czech/Slovakia/Germany/Ukraine.
Ireland is a sovereign republic and not part of the UK so comparing their different health systems is quite ludicrous really.

To re-itterate a few things mentioned in her in my own dwie grosze: She's having a baby, it's best to do it where it's most comfortable for her. The differences in patient care in Europe are minimal at best and to make a major decision on the basis of a few stories would be silly. I myself have never had a bad experience in a hospital (or with a doctor) in Poland or in the UK (I can't talk about Ireland as I've never been to hospital there). There isn't really such a thing a perfect hospital (although Singapore came close) as the amount of money it costs to run a hospital and the amount of money available don't match.

But mainly, have the baby where your wife feels the most comfortable having a baby.

(edit)As for going for scans, they are completely safe and so you shouldn't be wasting money that could be spent on the baby travelling for scans!

This is the land of the brown envelope, a wink and a nudge. Jaysus, man. I thought you had Irish relatives. You can get away with most things, if you pay the few quid. Look at our banking structures, our jails and the cronyism that exists here.

If the truth ever surfaces about what went on here during the boom, it would make the Sicilian mafia blush. Its till there. My older sister opened a new tapas bar in the city centre. During our three week crazy heatwave this summer, she opened up a small outside area (considered her property), consisting of four small two top tables for couples.

A government official called in for a word, she didnt have permission for it - even though she employed an extra staff member for it and got her off the dole - and told her to close it or go to court and face a 5,000 euro fine. She called her lawyer and got him down to a once off, no receipt, payment of 500 euro. Eating up every cent of her profits from opening up that small outdoor area, even though it was her land, it was insured, and even though she was employing someone, during a record number of people unemployed in this country and taking them off of the dole.

But how many SME's has that corruption helped to close down. Ireland is till very corrupt, bud.