Ive been in the UK for 6 days to relocate and im going back to Poland.

That's true! However, many people in Scotland are growing disillusioned with the benefits culture and this has been a perennial issue now. It was forever being discussed when I lived there but it has spiralled out of control now. It has even turned my friend, who was staunchly left-wing when I knew him well, into a centrist-right man. It's no surprise that the Tories got back in. I just hope UKIP get a shot!

Something about somebody fiddling while Rome Burns? Or was that Robbie Burns....

Probably Rabbie :)

Oh, WB should get some golf in. Britain is littered with top courses. Scotland is the home of golf and England/Wales have some tasty offerings too :)

i spent a couple of weeks in Newcastle/Gateshead last year. in my younger days it was going through 1960's post-war regeneration, but with it's local industry at that time it was not an impressive place.

Now the old shipbuilding and coal mining have gone, a new regeneration has taken place and now it's a good place to be. but of course the locals still have things to complain about.

as a reflection of modern times the number of shops with shutters (and graffiti) seems to be growing. and yet the parks and gardens seem well kept. youth and their freedom to do as they please (in a negative way) seems to me to be the real problem.

i'm not planning on going back to the UK, but i can see that to start again over there one would need confidence and a healthy bank account.

They are not alone Seanus most people are. It's shocking what some people actually get.


I know plenty also.

True! The JSA logic is sound but the workers reduced the standards, seemingly being happy with a newspaper clipping as evidence that sb was actively seeking employment. Scotland has a huge alcohol culture and many abuse the privelege. I like a couple of beers on the weekend but that's all. The government is merely fuelling their habit, giving them the means to procure that which they abuse.

It's a growing number. I also used to be centrist-left but I'm centrist-right now. Britain is full of ungrateful spongers and it's important to know that. I dare say that I'd lock horns with my dad on this. He hasn't seen 21 countries like I have and it takes time for many Brits to change their tune. Trust me, I see this as an outsider and that's why I was amazed that my stalwart socialist friend changed his spots.

We adapt to change, its part of life and Britain is an Island that is constantly evovling, Im sure my parents notice the change and sure my grand mother (if alive) would notice the change...30 years ago we had a thriving rag trade (industry producing clothes etc.) we now import and have a thriving highstreet trade..Whilst I agree its not all rosey in the UK, Im hopeful of change, however slow it may be, the UK is not ready to give yet and let the animals run the zoo! We just sat on our laurels for a while and didn't react to situations as we should, but this is being dealt with.

As for WB I wish him luck, he'll need it...


Good points and you expressed yourself well and yes there is some power left in this country and some of us still have that British spirit that was instilled in us by our parents!

But if the change for the negative is happening faster than the change for the positive, it doesn't look good.


I hope so. It would suck to see such a nation go down the drain.

Many aspects of life are stale and stagnant, Am. When I go back, it's the same old spiel. People saying the same things as they were 10-15 years ago, the same tv faces churning out the same formula of rubbish and such similar attitudes.

What keeps Britain afloat are pioneers and innovators. We've always had a strong tradition of invention and industrial ingenuity. However, those people depend on government making the right decisions and, from where I'm standing, I can see them stuffing up. Heck, even trade unions are going to the dogs by ripping off British workers. I'm not being right wing in saying that either, I'm just addressing the reality that the rules have been bent in the name of money and social engineering.

You could translate that into any number of languages and it would apply to most people.

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yeah, i don't think this is U.K. or Poland specific. people leave their country for several years, everything is different to them including language often times, so naturally when you go back home to what you spent your entire life surrounded by, it's going to seem stale. people will appear to be doing the same ole' thing.

Negatives and positives depend on the point of view - for instance, an employer is rubbing his hands at the thought of masses of cheap labour, where as your average working class Brit isnt...You see where Im going with this?

As I said Britain has been constantly evolving, please take time to read the link, it might explain a little bit about my little Island :D

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_the_United_Kingdom

"The British can never see the writing on the wall untill they have their backs to it"

I read it somewhere but cannot remember where are who said it.

I am familiar with your train of thought. But it is like your home having an overflowing toilet and a fire in the kitchen at the same time. If you pay attention to the overflowing toilet and make good progress on preventing it from flooding the floor, running into the basement causing water damage etc, the kitchen fire can become an even bigger problem at a rate that makes it impossible to deal with...


I am sure it is all interesting, but which is the most interesting part?

Tm and FUZZY, I didn't say it was UK specific. I just said that it clearly applied to the UK. It's just an observation that I see all too clearly.

Am has a good point above. Certain employers and even individuals are ruining Britain and America from within, inviting excessive amounts of immigrant labour to work and inadvertently stir up trouble. It's not their fault as they merely accept a better life. However, it makes GB and the US look bad. If there is a level playing field, then all well and good but there isn't. This is the 21st century so let's scrub out discriminatory practices.

Had some of their IPA the other day and some Innis and Gunn as well... very nice :-)

If it's at its ideal temperature, it is amber nectar :) WB should chill with some golf and then some of that stuff. He sometimes seems to be 'too' aware of social life without blocking some stuff out. There are many things around us that we could all take issue with but it is as it is. He seems to have the financial means that Wrocław alluded to. One week is NOT enough to settle. Settling takes some time, depending on your character and where you choose to settle, of course.

"England is my home", I heard him say. Well, WB, part of that is hard graft of your own, regardless of what some are doing around you. Brits no longer have it easy and charisma and luck play their part. I'm sure you are up to the task but maybe your area just doesn't allow you to play to your strengths. That's the truth in my case. My home city, Aberdeen, had great study options for me. But work? Nah, the sectors are not geared towards teaching or paralegal work.

Good point Seanus.

Nice chewing the fat with you. Have a good day matey.

Agreed, I've gone from far-left to middling right - and it's hardly surprising that so many immigrants come to the UK to do the jobs that the British won't do. From what I can see, the natives would rather sit at home watching crappy daytime TV (or crappy anytime TV for that matter), eating junk, swigging cheap alcohol, claiming benefits and at the same time complain that the Poles have taken all the jobs.

It depresses me to visit the place now, but hopefully I shall never have to set foot there again.

I will wager you have never ever set foot here. Another troll with more than one PF ID.

The truth, as ever, is somewhere in the middle, Colonel. There are many Brits with children that were laid off and they are prepared to accept short-term contracts just to put bread on the table until they find sth more permanent. They are victims of the system that is undercutting them.

However, you are right to say that there are many lazy ones too. My home city is a prime example. The difference is that they are also more aggressive than the Poles. I could go to a 'bad' area here and feel quite safe. Some might say sth to me but they don't act.

TM, you are welcome. Britain has a very good 'but' tradition. I cracked up when some Poles, knowing full well it was an English word, still pronounced it 'ale' as in the Polish word for but. It's ALE, as in AILing warrior :)

Wrong and wrong again. As an Englishman I have a right to criticise my country and the awful place it has become. Sorry if you can't handle that. Best get over it and back on topic.

And, for the record, expressing an honest opinion is not trolling.

P.S: Can you inbox me to let me know how much you will wager and by what means you will pay me?

Yawn! All the staff at my local Sainsburys are English..aparently doing the jobs that the immigrants here dont want to do!

That tends to be the exception rather than the rule these days.

Scotch whisky?

Well, Am, many of the staff at the Sainsbury's in Aberdeen are not Scots. I saw that last Xmas. Colonel Blimp probably has a point here.

Pinching Pete

A young lad in my town was blown up in Afghanistan, lost both legs and one arm, he was in this same hospital in Birmingham, as the previous government got rid of every single military hospital. When he was well enough to go outside, his mother took him for a walk in his wheelchair, when they were attacked and abused by a mob of Asian youths.

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I come from a military family, I know many current and ex servicemen, thye are sick of what is happening in this country, I can see more civil unrest coming to this country, looks like Enoch Powell was right after all when he gave his rivers of blood speech

What did you expect them to do, Daisy, issue a welcoming committee? ;)

Tell me how this is different to Poland Seanus. I am fed up of the **** tv here dancing, dancing and more dancing coupled with some lousy soap operas. What everone fails to mention here are the contribitutions that the UK STILL make to the world in terms of music, science etc.

As for the same old speil, I hear the same stuff day in day out here and actually to go home is a refreshing change.

I just dont understand WB's criticism of British roads either. OK some roads have potholes but that gepends where you come from in UK. I assume WB comes from a **** hole as he seems to have old shopping centres and the like. My polish parents in law went to UK for the first time 4 yrs ago to go to my wedding and were amazed by the roads.

3 million hungry poles coming here surely did not help, did it?