Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles.

A couple of years ago I read an article in a Black newspaper (it was aimed at a Black readership) which argued that UK was letting all the migrant workers from EU into the country to re-whiten it. They said it was unfair because UK had no link with these countries in the way it had with it's Asian and African (former) colonies.

Trevek
different point of view, these descendants of ex British colonies are definitely not supporters of our European affairs.
For them EU is a threat.
Europeans have a problem with each other but trying to work together to compete with China, India, Russia and US. Thats basically the reason for make us all work together united.

I think that's what the article said. I have no opinion on it, just throwing it into the mix.

good luck to them, but I think they will learn were real power is ....money, money

You guys are passing the buck.
Blame it on the next guy and these Brits include people of Pakistani, Nigerian, Chinese and other non-E.U. back grounds and the Hindu faith etc...


Not that much actually, Poland and Ireland have very little shared history, just individual cases until very recently.


Why do you feel it necessary to limit your conversations?

hey!

There's actually quite a lot of links between Scotland and Poland, even extending to some Polish names being of Scottish origin.

I am British born and bred, worked all over the world, i now have my own business in England.

I have now and previously had many foreign workers. I can honestly say that i would always employ a Pole over any other nationality ( as long as their language skills are good).

Polish have a different work ethic to the Brits and most europeans.

My experience of British workers is poor- Constantly sick, lazy and concerned about their working rights etc etc.. Non productive generally!

Polish, however, are a blessing as employees - They are hardworking, willing, trustworthy, never let you down and a very high work ethic.

Give me a Polish worker any day

Thanks napster ;)

Ridiculous :D , thanks for sharing this funny story.

But even if this was true, they are immigrant themselves and immigrants shouldn't complain about the country they moved to.


It is more unfair that people who have never suffered from colonization claim that they have somehow the right to live in those countries.

That would be a whole of Brits, Germans, Dutch, Spanish, French etc.
worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/na.htm

Yes, but you know that they don't need to use the same stupid claims that paki's etc. use.

What judgemental nonsense !

Why do people always have to bring the BNP into these kind of debates ? It's NOT racist to complain about uncontrolled immigration !

The BNP tried to get in on the act at the protests at the Lindsey oil refinery and were told to get lost. This is not about race.

Your comments are offensive and you're just playing to the gallery.


Economics and whether or not employers are just using cheaper foreign labour to avoid paying a liveable wage comes into it too.

I have to say that, if anyone observes demographic trends, they can be alarming. Although not an advocate of the BNP for the present time, they do have a fixed position (prima facie). Labour made noises but did nothing. They are just as much 'I'm alright Jack' as the Tories. Just look at the expenses scandal for that.

My point is that there may come a time when the BNP will be advantageous in stemming the tide. Personally, I'd prefer the UKIP as they appear to be a bit more sensible but Britain has really lost part of its identity. The only way I could pick out a true Scot was by seeing them reeling through the streets drunk ;) ;) Yes, some multiculturalism but there are limits.

I would agree with you on that one. I really do hope that UKIP manage to secure a decent foothold after the next election and become a real voice in British politics.

I would never want to see success for the BNP and any they do have is mainly down to the main parties dillydallying around the important subjects.

I hope that the protest was a success (don't recall seeing it anywhere in the news though) and I fully support their agenda.

The point is that they have the power to impose caps but didn't do it (Labour). They don't seem to see that it is better to take steps to prevent problems, rather than spend a lot of time repairing the damage.

The BNP as our main party would send out a bleak message to other European countries and Nick Griffin just doesn't have the air of a statesman (not that Brown is so great either). The UKIP are at least getting the message out there and are currying favour nicely.

I think what we are looking at are bigger incentives, given the chance most poles will be just as lazy as anyone else its just that for the moment the lure of money gives them the drive to work. Saying that if i got five times more money than i do right now i would certainley have a better work ethic, not to say i have a bad one but it it would be different.


I think you need to take a few minutes to understand what you have said as the answer is in the response you gave, as a business owner i can understand why you enjoy having large numbers of low paid, harder working individuals as you main concern is for your business and not for your employees so its natural that you should be pleased.


So they should be, that isn't a bad thing and it shouldn't worry you if you are treating your staff well?.


Well i would says theres two reasons why, the first one is an attempt to stifle any conversation regarding immigrants or immigration and the second reason is because they are scared of the BNP gaining power because it would rain on their parade.

Personaly i see the BNP as a tool, infact i see all parties as a tool because they are there to do the things that i and others would like to see done, in the case of the BNP i have no quarms in voting for them as i see them as a tool to control and reverse the immigration that has spoilt a once prosperous (no debt) and pleasant country. If we are honest with ourselves we dont vote for a party because we agree with everything they say, we only vote because they tick the most boxes when it comes to what matters most to us which is why i dont care if some members of the BNP are racist or not because as our recent MP scandal has show our MP's are not as nice as we thought they all were.

People can say what they like in public because behind closed doors anything can happen.

Is the UKIP not an acceptable alternative to the BNP on this particular issue? why? why not?

I don't know much about the UKIP, I am just curious.

Most of their members and voters are certainly tools.

What about the UKIP Jonni?

I saw one piece of promotional material, the UKIP were showing that immigration issues had to be dealt with (but they did not say how) and that they were not racists like the BNP.

I have not read anything more about them and I am just a little curious if they are gaining political ground?

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I have some answers from their website here.

So far yes, according to surveys, as a protest vote by people dissatisfied with Labour, who instinctively don't trust the Tory Turnip Taliban, and have too much common sense to vote for Benito Griffin's Numpty Nazis.

Essentially though, they're opportunists (not unique among politicians) and come the election, anything can happen. One or two decent candidates though, and they seem to perform well as local councillors.

as both parties probably cannot beat the big two, it's wiser to vote for the most extreme party because it's a bigger warning to stop non-EU immigration and multiculturalism.

A vote for BNP is a clear sign of discontent with immigration as that's the main issue that BNP is associated with. It's an extreme vote, but one that the big boys will be forced to look at.

The majority of the new generation British workers are not hungry enough and all have delusions of being the Boss. The saying of 'too many chiefs and not enough Indians' is still very true. In general there is a lot of weakness/softness in the current generation, which wasn't there when Britain carved out its reputation as a world leader.

Saying that, it can't be easy having to compete with foreign workers who travel to the UK with no intention of spending their money there, i.e 10 people living in a small house, saving every single Penny possible, etc. Compare this to a man with a mortgage and family, having to actually live comfortably in a place and provide for his family. Unfortunately the family Man is fighting a losing battle, as he will always be undercut and probably outworked by the foreigner. Some might say this is good for businesses and causes competition, but the only loser is the native and his family.

Long term the only solution is to fight fire with fire, defiantly raise the Union Jack, get strong and be prepared to work for a similar amount as foreigners whilst showing the same willingness and hunger too. Exactly what I intend to do should I return.

P.s Second thoughts, sounds too much like hard work, think I'll just stay here. lol.

Foreign workers is one thing, and I certainly sympathize with those Brits who lost jobs to foreigners. Could other matters, possibly far more serious, be one of the reasons for BNP's popularity?

From the top two issues the UKIP have on there website, it seems leaving the E.U. and stopping immigration are their two main objectives.


I think it is scary to see people vote for clearly known racists especially when there is an alternative like the UKIP.
I have to say it reminds me of Hitler's rise to power.


There is a thread about it: BBC defend decision to invite the BNP to appear on tonight's "Question Time"

Wow how old are you? (Just kidding)

Yes. Griffin is no Hitler, but the BNP is decidedly neo-nazi. Not just motivated by some sort of nebulous dissatisfaction about immigration levels, but ideological racists and fascists.

Just as Germans didn't know what they were getting until it was too late, some naive people may vote for them without really understanding what they believe in.

When the NSDAP rose to power, more slowly than most people realise, nobody had any idea what might come - they were a totally new thing. The only thing the voters could compare them with was the Fascisti in Italy, who in their early days seemed to be making some order out of the traditional chaos of Italian public life. In Germany they fought elections on a platform of law and order and traditional morality. They became the face of evil.

But people today are less naive (and less hungry and desperate than late '20s Germans). And when we see photos of BNP members strutting round in black uniforms or doing silly salutes, we know exactly what they're about.

The UKIP may be buffoons, but they aren't evil. The BNP know they're the bad guys.

Convex has it bang on the money.


Most people see UKIP as a anti EU tory group and not a stand alone party.


I know quite a few people whom have recently become unemployed for the first time in their lives, some of these have been working since the age of 16 and were finished in their 50s. Because they paid into a pension which allowed them to access it at 50 but at a vastly reduced rate when they were made redundant they were not even allowed to claim jsa, even though they still had to find work.

Contrast this to the people who have never/hardly paid into the system at all and the ayslum seekers who the council bends over to help with housing, heating and free food vouchers and you can see why people are getting pissed off.

This is the kind of myth that leads the stupid and easily led to vote for nutty fringe parties.

The UKIP have the sense to leave this off their election material, because it simply isn't true. most 'asylum seekers' live in hostels.