British people more intelligent than the Poles?

Ashkenazi Jews all over Europe faced much worse hardships and they have contributed greatly to science. There were many moments in history that Poland was doing fine but still not much scientific advancements were done.


To some extent, it is.

Poles more intelligent than British people.

Very eloquent reasoning, but one which history and science doesn't support.

LOL
Wow. This is probably one of the most xenophobic threads on this forum. It really opened my eyes.
I thought before that you people consider Poland less "civilised", less "developed" than your countries. But now it turns out that you think Poles as a nation are more stupid than you. And that it's "in our genes" lol

Who needs Nazis if we have you?
*smh*

Jon357, I want you to repeat now: "White people are more intelligent than black people - it's supported by both history and science."

Write it down. I want to see it :)


As far as I know Jews taught their kids to read and write so they would be able to read and study their holy scriptures and read them out loud in the synagogue.

At the same time Poland's society was mostly illiterate pheasants working for their noble masters and were getting to know the Bible from priests' sermons and paintings on the walls in churches.

So I think one of the main factors was education, upbringing. Not genes or even "ethnic intelligence" or whatever.


In that time Poland was the granary of Europe. The land was fertile, the nobles had it good. I guess they didn't need many inventions if they could just send grain to the West and get money for that.

What you guys seem not to take into account is that one needs more than intelligence to achieve success.
You have to have the right work ethic, the drive, ambition and yes, the right circumstances and opportunities.
For example, I've read that the success of Protestant countries is attributed to the Protestant attitude to work and being rich. It has something to do with Predestination, if I remember correctly. Basically, it was believed that a certain number of people were destined by God to salvation and the rest to damnation. If someone was rich and successful it meant that the grace of God was upon him/her and he/she will be saved. Or something of this kind.

Germans definitely had the ambition and self confidence (sometimes even too much for my liking) and work ethic and with development comes science etc.
No, to be honest, I doubt that by some strange miracle they have "more intelligent" genes than, for example, their neighbours - the French or their other neighbours - Poles.


Why? You're posting the same map all the time lol


Really? Where are those surveys? Links, please :)


You're giving me some random map from some random blog of some random guy o_O
How do we even know if this map is based on a legit survey and that it's reliable?
I'm giving you results of research made by a guy whose work is mentioned in most of articles about IQ I've read. He spent 30 years on his research.

And I can give you maps too lol:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:National_IQ_Lynn_Vanhanen_2006_IQ_and_Global_Inequality.png
Remember, we've discussed Africa and black people on chat, right?
You see Africa on that map?
It looks like black Africans are the most retarded people on the face of the Earth. It doesn't sound nice, does it? Is it true, though?

The white people have contributed far more to science and engineering than the blacks have. That is a fact. Most of the scientists who are considered the fathers of quantum mechanics were white. Our understanding of electricity and magnetism is because of white men such as Maxwell. Space rockets, automobiles, aircraft, calculus, etc. are all from brilliant people of the white nations.

WHITE BRAIN POWER.
LOL
Of course I've picked on blacks because you're so fond of them. So, McDouche, what do you think?
There was not even one black Nobel prize winner in science:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_Nobel_Laureates

That's a fact.

And what about India? People from India are less intelligent than Europeans? Then why every time I see some programme taking place in the UK there are Indian doctors everywhere?

It didn't open mine, since on this forum we're used to people from Poland rubbishing data that doesn't present them as they wish to be presented.


The Stamford-Binet IQ tests that 'polish patriot' favoured produce those inaccurate results, however as I said, they're flawed. No human group has more or less innate intelligence - IQ tests measure learned intelligence. I seem to remember saying that half a dozen times here.


Check out the meaning of xenophobia.

They actually measure how good one is at taking tests. The last time anybody tried to test IQ test I listened the first question and then refused to listen to any more on the grounds that the person who wrote the test wasn't clever enough to write IQ tests.


Always amusing to see a racist trying to be clever and failing miserably, or are you so utterly ignorant that you consider Egypt and China to be 'white nations'?

Worth mentioning that a lot of the IQ results thrown around on a nation by nation basis in Europe are based on self-administered tests which leads one to speculate whether (say) the Swedes are more or less likely to cheat than (say) the Italians. I will not pass judgement here on the reliability or honesty of self-administered tests in Poland.

lol awww go on jon!

Oooooh no. Despite all the tests and exams I've invigilated, a certain neutrality is suitable here.

I must actually agree with Harry here. What is IQ test? Who design it? Who wrote it? What is assessed? and so on! What is intelligence should be a basic qestion. In the case of nations there more complex questions - is there a group intelligence? What is it? Can you asses that? and so on.

All those IQ tests and researches need to be treated with a great dose of skepticism.


Paulina don't feed that troll. We can all call one or other poster here a troll but hes is a real McCoy.


Well, jon I'm one of the most intelligent people on this forum and you are not. Please do not post more of your nonsense. History and science doesn't support that theory - what a pompous way to say nothing.You should simply let it go or say something about reliability of test to be consistent but no you have to open your big mouth. Go on I dare you - bring it on, facts and arguments man.


No, it renders them worthless.


Considering the fact that you would have to hazard a guess do not pass any judgements for your own sake.lol


However you are not so smart after all when you fail to see or refuse to see what she is doing.

That sounds like Jehovah's Witness, but predestination is definitely not part of the dogma of the vast majority of Protestant sects. However you are right about the "protestant work ethic."

Work before play!

That would surprise many.


Which was my point entirely. It seems however that "one of the most intelligent people on this forum" missed that.


And "one of the most intelligent people on this forum" also missed the post immediately before.

What are you talking about? It clearly looks like the Westerners on this forum are rubbishing data that doesn't present Poles and them as they wish to be presented and how they would like to see Poles. It seems to me that if it actually somehow turned out that Poles are more intelligent than the British you guys would get an instatnt seizure lol Your blood vessels in your brains would simply pop ;D Well, it really looks like McDouche's would lol


Hold on a minute, partner. What about "history and science"? Those are your words.


So you don't think the British are more intelligent than Poles and Germanic peoples are more intelligent than the rest of Europe?


You're not too bright, Harry, are you? :)))


Oh, I'm sorry, would "chauvinism" fit better? :)


Of course, based on what I've read about IQ tests, I agree completely.
I don't think IQ tests are reliable. I never thought they were. I was just playing along lol

I think this is a reasonable article on IQ:

(And, yeah, I've found it before I joined this discussion in case someone wondered ;))


Indeed.

What a strange manifestation of denial and negation manifested by some posters ?

This, however, does not work the way as you would want to . Truth is that facts do not change because you say so at a public forum. Poles are mathematically gifted and are highly intelligent . PISA tests and their results are taken into account (contrary to what some of you say ) when calculating the final results of IQ scores .

No, maybe I've simplified things a bit, I've read about it long time ago, after all, but I'm sure Predestination was present in Protestantism (maybe it isn't nowadays anymore, I don't know).


PP, I don't think IQ results are reliable. Don't know about those PISA tests.

I was raised Protestant and I'm telling you they believe that anybody can get into heaven, there is no limited number.

Klo, I was writing about Protestants in the past. I wrote that I don't know what it's like nowadays.

Edit.
Look, all you need to do is to google it:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_%28Calvinism%29
econ.upf.edu/~alaoui/alaoui_sandroni_predestination_protestantethics.pdf
mtio.com/articles/aissar89.htm


Can all posters please keep to the thread topic

Reading all the comments in this thread, I think the average IQ of the people arguing is what needs to be worried about, not those of the UK or Poland.

._. This is a weird talk because I hate poles even though I am one. I think English are smarter and we poles like to steal the "Tea of Intelligence" to make us proud, of the people that we are. Oh, and by the way I can read polish but I cannot certainly write in polish. Oh, and also I wanna say England is a country of an act as my grandmother of all countries despite the queen etc. Well in other hand America is more like a Teenager. And one more thing, thanks for making feeling good, after all, the fuss of thinking of the "Brexit things". :) I also have an English name "Lucas" kind of trendy isn't it? :3

I think it is more about education and general 'open mind' than intelligence.I know it is not very serious but I was quite impressed by young Japanese in this film. I would assume that Poland is completely alien land for them but on ( not very good map) they had general idea where Poland is.

I have bad feeling that average British person stopped on the street would have problem with it.

youtube.com/watch?v=8Xe4msvvSHo

Poles or Brits cant be much different in genetic related intelligence. European ethic nations emerged something like 10k years ago.its just not enough time to any significant genetic differences to occur.

the difference in numbers of inventions and IQ between those nations are socia-economics reasons. Britain had much better education systems in the past. Britain was always very rich in the past,Poland was poor.mostly due to location and geographic features.

its well know facts that nations develop faster in peninsulas( greece,italy) or islands,due to security.british islands were never destroyed by wars like Poland was.. only mogol invasion took us back like 100 years in development and infrastructure

in pre war Poland ,vast majority of population had no access to any education at all.cant expect any huge inventions to be discover in such circumstances.

but still,we have more scientist noble price winners than pakistan and india and whole africa combine.

Surely you don't mean that we are all uneducated and closed-minded? ;)
What is the rationale behind your 'bad feeling' then?

to be fair I think average polish person stopped on the street will have problem to locate Japan on map or find Japanese capital.

I suppose some of Eastern countries have different level- kind of general education.


Of course not :-)- I live in Cambridge- got you into complexes- too many clever people in one small town.